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wrote:
"G-squared" wrote:

At the place you work (assuming you do work,,), they give away
for
free your most expensive to make, and most desirable
products...?

Wes - you need to take a few business courses.

and Wes,,if you dont have any usefull contribution to this
debate,
please stay the off the group. I think most folks here are
getting
tired of your personal attacks,and four lettter word based
posts.

It could be argued that similar situation took place with the
introduction of color which was a more significant change than
HDTV.

What do you mean _free_? The advertisers pay and we have to sit
through
the spots as penance for not paying directly - but it's our choice.

HD programs are more expensive until the new equipment is paid off.
In
1985 a VPR-3 was 110K in '85 bucks. In 2006 a Sony SRW-5500 HD
machine
is 115K dollars. It seems that it now costs _less_ in real dollars
to
make HD shows than SD shows 20 years ago - and they look better to
boot.

As for Wes getting _salty_, I've only noticed that when he finds
himself talking to a wall. He is no competition for some of the
others.

as far as Wes,,I agree, he isn't the worst, but his problem is, he
calls anyone that posts a rational business model; a moron and an
idiot - and he never posts "his" rational business model for "his"
position - that post 2009 the sky is going to rain down with free HD
TV..??

Yes the cost of HD production is going down,,but that's not the
issue.
The issue is, the OTA local broadcasters can send out 1 free HD
feed,
or 5 SD feeds (not both) - and the HD audience for the HD feed is
maybe 5 percent of the total OTA viewers.

On this point I take major issue. You keep insisting that is 1 HD OR 5
SD and no middle ground. On this you're just flat out wrong. In LA KABC
runs 1 HD and 2 SD channels on one carrier. Granted the second SD is
just their weather radar and uses minimal bits but the other SD is
re-run of the local news which I like now and then. The HD does not
appear to suffer from this . KNBC does a similar thing. I POSSIBLE to
do both and it's being done right now. When one explains and gives
examples and the other insists the facts are fiction, I can see the
moron word coming into play.


Go to Wal mart - they have rows of new 20 to 32 inch 4:3 SD only
Digital TVS, most for under 300 bucks... In 2009, you will be able
to
buy a new 13 inch digital tv for your kitchen or garage for under a
hundred bucks. Those are not going to be HD,,they are going to be
4:3
SD sets.

HD is going to be a premium item - you will have to PAY extra on
cable
or Sat to get it.

JQP does not care about picture quality,,,a select group, including
me, does, and select groups have to pay extra for their pleasures.

JQP cares and notices more than you think. I used to work at a CBS
affiliate and when Star Trek (1982 so the original) started being
distributed on tape from 35 mm rather than the 16 mm low-con prints, we
pointed it out in promos and people called in and said they liked it.
On that one point, I was the engineer who had to convince the promo
director that it actually made a difference. She was surprised at the
response but I wasn't. Folks don't know who to talk to but they DO
notice.

GG

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"G-squared" wrote:

wrote:





On this point I take major issue. You keep insisting that is 1 HD OR 5
SD and no middle ground. On this you're just flat out wrong. In LA KABC

No I never said that at all,,OTA broadcasters are free to do whatever
the econimic models allows.

If you use any sub channels, you need to reduce the HD feed to 'HD
light"


runs 1 HD and 2 SD channels on one carrier. Granted the second SD is
just their weather radar and uses minimal bits but the other SD is
re-run of the local news which I like now and then. The HD does not
appear to suffer from this . KNBC does a similar thing. I POSSIBLE to
do both and it's being done right now. When one explains and gives
examples and the other insists the facts are fiction, I can see the
moron word coming into play.

Moron has no place in a debate,,,thats basic High School debate team
rules.

Either refute with facts, or concede,,




JQP does not care about picture quality,,,a select group, including
me, does, and select groups have to pay extra for their pleasures.

JQP cares and notices more than you think. I used to work at a CBS
affiliate and when Star Trek (1982 so the original) started being
distributed on tape from 35 mm rather than the 16 mm low-con prints, we
pointed it out in promos and people called in and said they liked it.
On that one point, I was the engineer who had to convince the promo
director that it actually made a difference. She was surprised at the
response but I wasn't. Folks don't know who to talk to but they DO
notice.

The new re master of Star trek TOS/CGI is remarkable - however its
remarkable and only being shown in 4:3 SD..?? And the only people that
can even appreciate that are the 5 percent watching OTA digital TV
now.

It was re mastered in HD,,,

So why is it not part of the raining from the sky free HD,,??

Why,,,because they are going to sell the HD version.

ST Enterprise - done completely in full digital HD - never shown OTA
as such,,,

BSG - same,,

Hmmm,,,Why,,Hmmm...????



GG

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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:

In article . com,
"G-squared" wrote:

JQP cares and notices more than you think. I used to work at a CBS
affiliate and when Star Trek (1982 so the original) started being
distributed on tape from 35 mm rather than the 16 mm low-con prints, we
pointed it out in promos and people called in and said they liked it.

You pointed it out, and the sheeple reacted.

Had you not pointed it out, they would have been clueless and never
noticed.


I wish I could disagree,,,i love HD TV,,,but reality is reality.

I sold retail electronics for over 5 years, while I was going for my
engineering degree.

I tried to sell Zenith TVs - they had a markedly better
pictures/reliabilty, but cost at the time 50 bucks more.

All the Sheeple would buy were Quasers - because the were cheaper, and
had a nicer cabinent,,,

Of course the Quasers also didnt work half the time we un boxed
them,,but they did have a nice cabinents.

so please unless you have worked in consumer direct electronics sales,
do not lecture me about people caring about quality.

JQP does not care about video quality - they buy big screen TVs to
watch big fuzzy analog cable feeds, and to say they have a big screen
TV.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article . com,
"G-squared" wrote:

JQP cares and notices more than you think. I used to work at a CBS
affiliate and when Star Trek (1982 so the original) started being
distributed on tape from 35 mm rather than the 16 mm low-con
prints, we
pointed it out in promos and people called in and said they liked
it.

You pointed it out, and the sheeple reacted.

Had you not pointed it out, they would have been clueless and never
noticed.

Again not true. A very large electronics store in that town had over
500 TVs on display and nearly all of them tuned to the CBS station.
Why? Because it looked better than the ABC, NBC and PBS stations. I
know because I worked at the CBS station but they didn't know I did
when I asked why the TVs all were on CBS. If they told me, they told
anybody else who asked. The chief engineer at the NBC station there was
sloppy because he always said, 'they'll never see it at home'. You
COULD see it at home - all of it. JQP may not know what to call it but
given 2 reasonable shows, one better looking than the other, better
will win some extra viewers.

It's not difficult to keep things running well if you care to do it.
Consistency of the operation is the most important as you rarely
remember when it goes right but always remember when it goes wrong.

GG

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"G-squared" wrote:

Sorry,,but you might have worked at CBS,,but you have no concept of
what sells to JQP.

Crank up the contrast, sharpness, and color gain,,and thats the set we
sold that day,,,why,,not because it was the best TV,,because it had a
$20 salesmans "spiff" on it.

Got a pile of junk that doesnt sell - put it on an end cap, put a sign
thats says Sale - ,,gone in a day.

You really think that Best Buys/CC/Frys/Sears/and so on care about how
good the picture quality is,,,???

They care about selling the highest margin unit,,,period.

And final question - what store did you go to that had CBS on 500
TVs,,,??? All the ones I have been in use a dedicated single feed -
mostly some sports loops, or fish swimming, or a DVD playing.

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 

wrote:
"G-squared" wrote:

Sorry,,but you might have worked at CBS,,but you have no concept of
what sells to JQP.

Crank up the contrast, sharpness, and color gain,,and thats the set we
sold that day,,,why,,not because it was the best TV,,because it had a
$20 salesmans "spiff" on it.

Got a pile of junk that doesnt sell - put it on an end cap, put a sign
thats says Sale - ,,gone in a day.

You really think that Best Buys/CC/Frys/Sears/and so on care about how
good the picture quality is,,,???

They care about selling the highest margin unit,,,period.

And final question - what store did you go to that had CBS on 500
TVs,,,??? All the ones I have been in use a dedicated single feed -
mostly some sports loops, or fish swimming, or a DVD playing.

It was 1982 and there were no decent signal feeds except broadcast and
it was a VERY big store.

They care only in the sense that they notice but it may not be
important to them.Certainly your salesman is primarily interested in
the sale as it provides his income. If it happens to look good/work
well, that's a bonus but is actually the goal.

JQP wants quality until there is a price attached. Price always wins, I
know that and sometimes intentionally buy the cheapie because it's
sufficient for the task at the time. Other times the performance is
more important but you can be danged sure I got about the best price
available.

GG

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:15:36 +0000, wrote:

as far as Wes,,I agree, he isn't the worst, but his problem is, he
calls anyone that posts a rational business model; a moron and an
idiot - and he never posts "his" rational business model for "his"
position - that post 2009 the sky is going to rain down with free HD
TV..??

I don't have to wait til 2009, it's raining free HD TV now, and has been
for a few years here. BTW, there's nothing rational about a station
dropping it's OTA HD feeds and going to 5 SD subchannels.

Yes the cost of HD production is going down,,but that's not the issue.
The issue is, the OTA local broadcasters can send out 1 free HD feed, or
5 SD feeds (not both) - and the HD audience for the HD feed is maybe 5
percent of the total OTA viewers.

Actaully they can send 1 HD and 1 SD feed, and most of them here do that
now. I find it very strange that the only thing on the SD feed is weather
data if they actually thought they could make money showing I love Lucy
reruns on it.:-)

Go to Wal mart - they have rows of new 20 to 32 inch 4:3 SD only Digital
TVS, most for under 300 bucks... In 2009, you will be able to buy a new
13 inch digital tv for your kitchen or garage for under a hundred
bucks. Those are not going to be HD,,they are going to be 4:3 SD sets.

And what makes you think you can't watch HDTV content on an SD TV? It's
the exact same picture you get with a real widescreen HDTV, just in a
lower res. And yes, it's displayed in widescreen format. So it doesn't
matter what set they get. They could even use their old one and get the HD
feed. I do it now on and old 32" SD set and it looks damn good.

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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:55:47 +0000, wrote:

Yeap Wes,,very mature,,,call names, present no cognizant arguments;
only I want it to be so, so its going to be so......

I've already proven you wrong by present day broadcast. others have
pointed out interviews with network exec.'s that do not support your
theory. What the hell else do you need? As for the name calling, talk like
a moron and that's what I'll call you. You've certainly earned that much
if not more.

Its not 2009 yet Wes,,,OTA Analog hasnt gone away yet Wes,,, OTA
broadcasters in 2009 are going to have to MAKE MONEY - not give away
things.

And they'll make it same way they do now. First, there won't be enough
advertising to support 5 channels for every station. Second, there won't
be enough programing content to support 5 channels unless they put all
reruns on 4 of them. And third, you're right, it not 2009 yet, but it wsa
you that made the claim they would go to 5 channels in 2009, not me.

You just do not want to address the real issues do you Wes,,??

What real issues are you talking about?

Thank God for the American Economy that you do not work - unfortunately
the rest of us tax payer are most likely supporting you,,

Let me guess,,retired government employee,,,?

Wrong, like everything else off your keyboard. And at present time I'm not
drawing any retirement benefits, but I will in a few years. And the only
taxpayer money will be my own.

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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

Second, there won't
be enough programing content to support 5 channels unless they put all
reruns on 4 of them.

You mean, like the cable and satellite services that John Q. Public is
eating up right now?

80 channels and nothing on....400 channels and nothing
on....everything's a rerun.

Right now, our local ABC affiliate (Sinclair-run) is running a second
digital feed, with reruns. I watched The Rockford Files the other night.

According to you, that'll never work. According to the broadcaster,
they're happy to do it. And frankly, they're just competing with the
cable and satellite folks; give JQP what he wants, which is quantity.

My understanding is that there are very few stations broadcasting anything but weather on their subchannels.

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 11:22:50 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

I don't have to wait til 2009, it's raining free HD TV now, and has been
for a few years here. BTW, there's nothing rational about a station
dropping it's OTA HD feeds and going to 5 SD subchannels.

Wes, face it: you REALLY want your way to happen, so you deny that any
other way could possibly ever happen--to the point of attacking anyone
who differs with you on this.

Actually, my way, as you call it, is what's happeing here, now, and for
the last 6 years. And he's not saying it could happen his way, he's saying
it will happen his way. IMO, he's full of crap, and there's no proof
otherwise.:-)


Actaully they can send 1 HD and 1 SD feed, and most of them here do that
now. I find it very strange that the only thing on the SD feed is weather
data if they actually thought they could make money showing I love Lucy
reruns on it.:-)

Dude, see my previous posting. Our NBC affiliate is broadcasting
weather, but they're the only one. The ABC affiliate and its sister Fox
affiliate, both Sinclair stations, are not doing weather. The ABC
affiliate is doing reruns on its second channel, and the Fox affiliate
is doing a music video channel for its second channel.

And this matters how? I don't see you mention anything about a major
network station not broadcasting HD and only 5 SD channels as he says.

Don't take your wishes for the world and attack anyone who suggests that
the world might turn out otherwise.

And I might as well come out and say the US is definately going to invade
Iran, or North Korea. It's still fud, and I should be attacked for it. Too
many complicate poeple in the world now.

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