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Bruce Tomlin September 28th 06 09:42 PM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
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wrote:

common_
wrote:

Now if you really want to start a flame war here - suggest that in
2009 OTA HD will go away in favor of the OTA stations sending out 5
channels of SD, and selling their HD produced content to Sat and
Cable companies.


No need for me to start any flame wars here. g

But....is that scenario above likely?


Only to the fearmongers. Certainly the big networks (ABC CBS NBC FOX)
will encourage their affiliates to broadcast HD, though some PBS
stations switch between multi-SD during the day and HD at night, and
will probably continue to do so.

None of the Spanish-language stations in my area have gone HD yet, and
the only instance of multi-SD with them is in San Antonio where two
separate analog channels are being broadcast on a single digital channel.

Mercifully I don't live in one of those areas with a Sinclair station
broadcasting 5 SD subchannels of crap. They don't seem to grasp the
concept that five times more crap does not equal five times the
audience. Or even twice the audience.

Bruce Tomlin September 28th 06 09:46 PM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
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wrote:

Dumb question on my part but can current low cost HDTV
units also pick up these lower def stations?


ALL tuners can pick up ALL stations. That's the reason tuners are
relatively expensive, because they have to decode full HD, even if the
final result is going to a cheap NTSC set.

In other areas such as Europe that don't yet have HD, they will have a
much harder time making HD mainstream because there are already so many
SD-only tuners which can't even display a degraded picture from the HD
transmission. Even though it meant a more costly transition, I think
the U.S. did the right thing by mandating HD reception capability from
the start.

[email protected] September 28th 06 10:33 PM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
Bruce Tomlin wrote:

They don't seem to grasp the
concept that five times more crap does not equal five times the
audience. Or even twice the audience.


haha

that made me laugh....thanks

Matthew L. Martin September 29th 06 02:13 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
Bruce Tomlin wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

common_
wrote:

Now if you really want to start a flame war here - suggest that in
2009 OTA HD will go away in favor of the OTA stations sending out 5
channels of SD, and selling their HD produced content to Sat and
Cable companies.

No need for me to start any flame wars here. g

But....is that scenario above likely?


Only to the fearmongers. Certainly the big networks (ABC CBS NBC FOX)
will encourage their affiliates to broadcast HD,


You misspelled "require".

Matthew

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You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

Matthew L. Martin September 29th 06 05:22 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article ,
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:

Only to the fearmongers. Certainly the big networks (ABC CBS NBC FOX)
will encourage their affiliates to broadcast HD,

You misspelled "require".


Want to place bets?

Come on, Martin. Put your money where your mouth is.

The networks will "REQUIRE" their affiliates to broadcast HD? Where do
you pull this from?


Try taking a look at the affiliate agreement.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

common_ [email protected] September 30th 06 05:26 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
wrote:

common_
wrote:

Now if you really want to start a flame war here - suggest that in
2009 OTA HD will go away in favor of the OTA stations sending out 5
channels of SD, and selling their HD produced content to Sat and
Cable companies.


No need for me to start any flame wars here. g

But....is that scenario above likely?

And if yes....what's the big benefit in doing so?


Ok,,your the program manager for a local OTA station,,its 2009.

You have a choice - broadcast 5 SD channels that 95 percent of your
audience is watching (and you can sell adds on,,), or one HD channel
for maybe 5 percent of your audience can see OTA. Your station/network
can sell your HD produced feed to the Sat and Cable companies as part
of their HD Premium package thus earning your station extra money,
while you send out the same program in SD, plus 4 more money earning
sub channels to the 95 percent plus audience that could care less
about HD.

You go into your station manager boss and say - I want to send out a
single free HD feed, so 5 percent of our audience can see Tom Cruises
nose hairs.

Next day - you are flipping burgers at Mc D.






common_ [email protected] September 30th 06 05:29 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
wrote:

wrote:

Are there still some big advantages to digital even at
much lower resolutions?


A station can send out up to five low resolution digital channels in the same bandwidth as one hd channel. That COULD mean more revenue,
if they can sell the advertisement. That's a big if.


I see

Dumb question on my part but can current low cost HDTV
units also pick up these lower def stations?


Yes,,,,,, thats what the "sub" channels are,,, its all part of the
same digital modulation broadcast standard.

and those channels are not so "lower def",,the can indeed be as good
as a current DVD - and much better than the "digital" crap being sent
out over sat and cable now.


common_ [email protected] September 30th 06 05:32 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
Bruce Tomlin wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

Id much rather have my tuner separate of the display
but it seems damn hard to find a decent OTA STB


That's probably mostly because the big box stores can make money by
signing people for satellite, but not from OTA boxes, so they don't push
OTA STBs on consumers. And consumers still aren't generally aware of
OTA, so they don't know to ask for it.

Besides, there's nothing that says you _have_ to buy from a "brick &
mortar" store. Macintosh users learned years ago that their best option
was to buy via mail-order, though things have gotten a little better in
the past few years. Web sites have simply made this easier.

I don't think you will ever _not_ be able to purchase a STB via
mail-order, even after the rush in 2009-2010 ends.


You know I agree with you, but the economic reality is - Macs have
less than 5 percent of the market, same is going to be true of OTA HD.

Economics matters, best technology matters not.


common_ [email protected] September 30th 06 05:35 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
Bruce Tomlin wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

common_
wrote:

Now if you really want to start a flame war here - suggest that in
2009 OTA HD will go away in favor of the OTA stations sending out 5
channels of SD, and selling their HD produced content to Sat and
Cable companies.


No need for me to start any flame wars here. g

But....is that scenario above likely?


Only to the fearmongers. Certainly the big networks (ABC CBS NBC FOX)
will encourage their affiliates to broadcast HD, though some PBS
stations switch between multi-SD during the day and HD at night, and
will probably continue to do so.

None of the Spanish-language stations in my area have gone HD yet, and
the only instance of multi-SD with them is in San Antonio where two
separate analog channels are being broadcast on a single digital channel.

Mercifully I don't live in one of those areas with a Sinclair station
broadcasting 5 SD subchannels of crap. They don't seem to grasp the
concept that five times more crap does not equal five times the
audience. Or even twice the audience.


Fear mongering has nothing to do with anything.

Right now the OTA digital you are watching (all 5 or less percent of
the audience), is nothing more than Beta Testing.

The networks will be the first to start selling thier HD feeds, and
only allowing an SD version to go OTA.

They want MONEY,,they could care less about Tom Cruises nose hairs.




Wes Newell September 30th 06 07:12 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:26:02 +0000, wrote:

Ok,,your the program manager for a local OTA station,,its 2009.

You have a choice - broadcast 5 SD channels that 95 percent of your
audience is watching (and you can sell adds on,,), or one HD channel for
maybe 5 percent of your audience can see OTA.


Do you realize how stupid this is?

Your station/network can sell your HD produced feed to the Sat and Cable
companies as part of their HD Premium package thus earning your station
extra money, while you send out the same program in SD, plus 4 more
money earning sub channels to the 95 percent plus audience that could
care less about HD.

You go into your station manager boss and say - I want to send out a
single free HD feed, so 5 percent of our audience can see Tom Cruises
nose hairs.

Next day - you are flipping burgers at Mc D.


Must be what you do now.

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