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Bert Hyman September 27th 06 04:30 PM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
(Bob Miller) wrote in
nk.net:

And a day after the transition no TV sold needs an NTSC tuner and
if it doesn't have an NTSC tuner it isn't required to have an ATSC
tuner. The mandate ceases to have any meaning.


And if it doesn't have a tuner, it's not a TV and not the subject of
this discussion.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |


common_ [email protected] September 28th 06 12:46 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
Bert Hyman wrote:

In "Elmo P.
Shagnasty" wrote:

In article ,
Bert Hyman wrote:

I'm sorry. The FCC that I know of is only for the United States of
America, and there's no mandate for HDTV or HDTV tuners.

But there is a requirement that all over-the-air TV stations in the US
switch to "digital" broadcasts by Feb. 18, 2009.

By March 2007, all TVs sold in the US must have built-in digital
tuners.


That's right.

And that has nothing to do with HDTV.


Why did I just -know that was going to be your angle?

Wouldn't it have been simpler, not to mention more civil, to simply
correct the posters apparent confusion about digital vs. HD TV and go from
there?

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN


Bert

I agree with you about the general lack of civility in this group,
however, this same original post has been posted about 5 times in the
past few months, under different poster names. Why,,beats me,,,?? The
original poster never posts back saying thanks for clarifying, or
anything..?

I think people are getting a bit fatigued answering the same question
over and over - HDTV has nothing to do with the switch to digital
broadcasting.


[email protected] September 28th 06 12:52 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
common_ wrote:
I agree with you about the general lack of civility in this group,
however, this same original post has been posted about 5 times in the
past few months, under different poster names. Why,,beats me,,,?? The
original poster never posts back saying thanks for clarifying, or
anything..?

I think people are getting a bit fatigued answering the same question
over and over - HDTV has nothing to do with the switch to digital
broadcasting.


Since hd signals are a subset of digital broadcasting, I wouldn't say hdtv has nothing to do with the switch.
It is a confusing subject for the novice, no doubt. There are good primers on the net to help explain it all.
This is a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

Chip

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Bert Hyman September 28th 06 01:41 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
In common_
wrote:

I agree with you about the general lack of civility in this group,
however, this same original post has been posted about 5 times in the
past few months, under different poster names. Why,,beats me,,,?? The
original poster never posts back saying thanks for clarifying, or
anything..?

I think people are getting a bit fatigued answering the same question
over and over - HDTV has nothing to do with the switch to digital
broadcasting.


I can see how that would happen; I guess I haven't hit the group at the
times when the messages you're talking about were current, or I just
ignored them :-)

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN


[email protected] September 28th 06 03:13 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
common_ wrote:

HDTV has nothing to do with the switch to digital
broadcasting.


Agree but I didn't know that myself until I asked here
myself.

So basically a station can broadcast in digital but NOT
at the definition required to technically be "High
definition", correct?

Do I have it right?

[email protected] September 28th 06 03:39 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
wrote:
common_
wrote:

HDTV has nothing to do with the switch to digital
broadcasting.


Agree but I didn't know that myself until I asked here
myself.

So basically a station can broadcast in digital but NOT
at the definition required to technically be "High
definition", correct?

Do I have it right?


Yes, that is correct.

Chip

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[email protected] September 28th 06 03:41 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

Since hd signals are a subset of digital broadcasting, I wouldn't say
hdtv has nothing to do with the switch.


How can you say that?

The mandate is for digital broadcasting and digital tuners, period. The
mandate says absolutely nothing about HDTV.

HDTV has nothing to do with the mandated switch to digital broadcasting
and receivers.


HD is not part of the mandate, but nearly all stations broadcasting digitally are sending out an hd signal. That makes it part of it.

Chip

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common_ [email protected] September 28th 06 05:18 AM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
wrote:

common_
wrote:

HDTV has nothing to do with the switch to digital
broadcasting.


Agree but I didn't know that myself until I asked here
myself.

So basically a station can broadcast in digital but NOT
at the definition required to technically be "High
definition", correct?

Do I have it right?


absolutley right - there is major consumer confusion about that BTW.

What is going to happen in 2009 (maybe), is that analog modulation is
going away, and digital modulation will replace it.

The OTA broadcasters can if they want broadcast one HD signal, or up
to 5 SD (standard definition) signals (what you would see on your ATSC
TV is for example 5.1,5.2,5.3,5.4 - all with a different program).
They only have so much 'bandwidth" - a full up HD signal takes all of
thier alloted bandwidth. They are under no mandate to do anything more
than switch to digital modulation - what they do with the digital
technology is up to them.

Now if you really want to start a flame war here - suggest that in
2009 OTA HD will go away in favor of the OTA stations sending out 5
channels of SD, and selling their HD produced content to Sat and
Cable companies.


Bert Hyman September 28th 06 02:56 PM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 
(Elmo P. Shagnasty) wrote in
:

In article ,
wrote:

So basically a station can broadcast in digital but NOT
at the definition required to technically be "High
definition", correct?


That's correct.

To say "digital" can mean anything.


But in the context of over-the-air digital TV in the US (presumably
the topic of this thread), it means ATSC.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |


numeric September 28th 06 03:14 PM

will all current tv sets become obsolete?
 

wrote in message
...
common_ wrote:

HDTV has nothing to do with the switch to digital
broadcasting.


Agree but I didn't know that myself until I asked here
myself.

So basically a station can broadcast in digital but NOT
at the definition required to technically be "High
definition", correct?

Do I have it right?


They are permitted to broadcast HDTV, but it's not a requirement.
From
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/policy/dtv/#RF

"Broadcasters are allowed to use the channels according to their best
business judgment -- as long as they continue to offer a free digital video
programming service at least comparable in resolution to the service
available today and aired during the same time periods."

However, the FCC, Congress, the broadcasters, and the media have preached
HDTV since the beginning of the transition. By now the public justifiability
expects HDTV to continue after the transition period.






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