Ch4 & 5
 

When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a non Sky
FTA box please.

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RKP

Ch4 & 5
 

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:35:19 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
wrote:

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|When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a non Sky
|FTA box please.

Good question.


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"R K Pelligo " R K Pelligo
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When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a non Sky
FTA box please.

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May be by the second half of 2008, C4 may be Free To Air once it's CAM
contract expires.

It is unlikely FIVE would take a lead in moving Free To Air at least until
then.

What's worse is that RTL, FIVE's owners, are switching from FTA to a
subscription / encryption model on their German 19.2 digital satellite
service. Not a good sign at the strategy level.

I expect C4 is posturing on if/when/whenever the phantom vapour-ware BBC /
****V "free sat" product ever appears. I can't see much happening there, can
you, apart from sound of ITV director's leafing through wads of their own
bank notes as their channel declines even further?

C4 may be wavering to see what deals BSKYB / Newscorp offers them in 2008.

Other people might know of stuff happening of course?



It is a pain C4 not being FTA, otherwise lots of people could enjoy using
the Topfield Digital Satellite PVR and similar cool products.

Ch4 & 5
 

It is unlikely FIVE would take a lead in moving Free To Air at least until
then.

What's worse is that RTL, FIVE's owners, are switching from FTA to a
subscription / encryption model on their German 19.2 digital satellite
service. Not a good sign at the strategy level.



See:

http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?id=1839

http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?id=1900

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Dave Fawthrop wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:35:19 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
wrote:

|
|When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a non Sky
|FTA box please.

Good question.

It is.

It'll be interesting to see what encryption status Five's two new
channels will have when they launch next month.

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wrote in message
ups.com...

Dave Fawthrop wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:35:19 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
wrote:

|
|When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a non Sky
|FTA box please.

Good question.

It is.

It'll be interesting to see what encryption status Five's two new
channels will have when they launch next month.



It will indeed.

A fiver is will be "free" to Sky Subscribers only just like E4 and 4MORON is
"free". ;-)

You will remember how under Astra 19.2 C5 was soft-encrypted but without a
card. Curious how this miracle stopped working under the Sky controlled
system? ;-)

Ch4 & 5
 

Heracles Pollux wrote:

~
~ wrote in message
~ ups.com...
~ ~
~ ~ Dave Fawthrop wrote:
~ ~ ~ On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:35:19 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
~ ~ ~ wrote:
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a
~ ~ ~ ~ non Sky FTA box please.
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Good question.
~ ~
~ ~ It is.
~ ~
~ ~ It'll be interesting to see what encryption status Five's two new
~ ~ channels will have when they launch next month.
~ ~
~
~
~ It will indeed.
~
~ A fiver is will be "free" to Sky Subscribers only just like E4 and
~ 4MORON is "free". ;-)
~
~ You will remember how under Astra 19.2 C5 was soft-encrypted but
~ without a card. Curious how this miracle stopped working under the
~ Sky controlled system? ;-)

Thanks all. If 4/5 are FTA on Freeview why encrypt satellite?

--
RKP

Ch4 & 5
 

Thanks all. If 4/5 are FTA on Freeview why encrypt satellite?

--
RKP




To make money for Sky / Newscorp / NDS.

To make money for lawyers.

To pretend that Europe is full of English speaking viewers with 120CM dishes
pointed as Astra 2D.

To pretend that no-one Ebay's Sky viewing cards and second hand set top
boxes for about the same price as a DVD and DVD player.

;-)

Ch4 & 5
 

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:20:38 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
wrote:

|Heracles Pollux wrote:
|
|~
|~ wrote in message
|~ ups.com...
|~ ~
|~ ~ Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|~ ~ ~ On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:35:19 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
|~ ~ ~ wrote:
|~ ~ ~
|~ ~ ~ ~
|~ ~ ~ ~ When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a
|~ ~ ~ ~ non Sky FTA box please.
|~ ~ ~
|~ ~ ~ Good question.
|~ ~
|~ ~ It is.
|~ ~
|~ ~ It'll be interesting to see what encryption status Five's two new
|~ ~ channels will have when they launch next month.
|~ ~
|~
|~
|~ It will indeed.
|~
|~ A fiver is will be "free" to Sky Subscribers only just like E4 and
|~ 4MORON is "free". ;-)
|~
|~ You will remember how under Astra 19.2 C5 was soft-encrypted but
|~ without a card. Curious how this miracle stopped working under the
|~ Sky controlled system? ;-)
|
|Thanks all. If 4/5 are FTA on Freeview why encrypt satellite?

So that $ky can maintain a monopoly of satellite TV?
or at least the sale of boxes and the EPG!.
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method of accessing usenet. GG subscribers would be well advised get a
newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

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Heracles Pollux wrote:

Thanks all. If 4/5 are FTA on Freeview why encrypt satellite?

To (in theory) restrict viewing to just the UK.

Ch4 & 5
 

|~ A fiver is will be "free" to Sky Subscribers only just like E4 and
|~ 4MORON is "free". ;-)
|~
|~ You will remember how under Astra 19.2 C5 was soft-encrypted but
|~ without a card. Curious how this miracle stopped working under the
|~ Sky controlled system? ;-)
|
|Thanks all. If 4/5 are FTA on Freeview why encrypt satellite?

So that $ky can maintain a monopoly of satellite TV?
or at least the sale of boxes and the EPG!.
--


Now now, it's not a monopoly. They are "open" systems. They even call the
interactive **** "open".

It's just that no-one provides satellite EPG services and encryption
services to UK customers outside of Sky. That's hardly Sky's fault. ;-)
yawn... ;-)

Ch4 & 5
 

Heracles Pollux wrote:

~
~ ~
~ ~ Thanks all. If 4/5 are FTA on Freeview why encrypt satellite?
~ ~
~ ~ -- RKP
~ ~
~
~
~
~ To make money for Sky / Newscorp / NDS.
~
~ To make money for lawyers.
~
~ To pretend that Europe is full of English speaking viewers with 120CM
~ dishes pointed as Astra 2D.
~
~ To pretend that no-one Ebay's Sky viewing cards and second hand set
~ top boxes for about the same price as a DVD and DVD player.
~
~ ;-)

Got it!! :-))

--
RKP

Ch4 & 5
 

~
~ ;-)

Got it!! :-))

--
RKP



In that case you have greater understanding of the issues than most media
journalists, Parliament, the DCMS, etc. ;-)

Ch4 & 5
 

R K Pelligo wrote:
When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a non
Sky FTA box please.

Knowbody knows.

Ch4 & 5
 

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:55:58 +0100, "Adrian A" wrote:

|R K Pelligo wrote:
| When will these channels be totally FTA on satellite? i.e. on a non
| Sky FTA box please.
|
|Knowbody knows.

My bet is next year, same as it was last year ;-)
|
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Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Google Groups is IME the *worst*
method of accessing usenet. GG subscribers would be well advised get a
newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

Ch4 & 5
 

"Heracles Pollux"
So that $ky can maintain a monopoly of satellite TV?
or at least the sale of boxes and the EPG!.

Now now, it's not a monopoly. They are "open" systems. They even call the
interactive **** "open".

s/monopoly/abuse of a dominant market position/ # pedant

Have you looked at the licence terms for the interactive stuff?
It's open, in the way a man-trap is open...

It's just that no-one provides satellite EPG services and encryption
services to UK customers outside of Sky. That's hardly Sky's fault. ;-)

I think someone has usable EPG services, as the Freeview EPG looks like
it's DVB-SI EIT - the same data which should be on satellite.

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MJR/slef
Free Sat FAQ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/astefaq

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"MJ Ray" wrote in message
reenews.net...
"Heracles Pollux"
So that $ky can maintain a monopoly of satellite TV?
or at least the sale of boxes and the EPG!.

Now now, it's not a monopoly. They are "open" systems. They even call the
interactive **** "open".

s/monopoly/abuse of a dominant market position/ # pedant

Have you looked at the licence terms for the interactive stuff?
It's open, in the way a man-trap is open...

It's just that no-one provides satellite EPG services and encryption
services to UK customers outside of Sky. That's hardly Sky's fault. ;-)

I think someone has usable EPG services, as the Freeview EPG looks like
it's DVB-SI EIT - the same data which should be on satellite.

--
MJR/slef
Free Sat FAQ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/astefaq



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