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"Ivan" wrote in message
k...
I've just been listening to a national radio phone-in about the state a
modern-day politics, the host said that he was 'absolutely horrified' by
the
amount of phone calls and text messages that he had received from people
saying that they were so fed up and disillusioned by the current political
parties, that they next intended to vote BNP wherever possible.

Doing a similar job yourself, I come into contact with a good cross
section
of the general public on a daily basis, and I'm sorry to say that I'm
beginning to hear increasing amounts of people voicing similar opinions.

If the media and the politicians continue to ignore the concerns of ordinary
people about immigration the extremist parties will benefit, and then we
really will be up **** creek. It's time we forgot political correctness and
had a proper debate. Politicians are scared to death of being called
racists.

Bill

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"ChrisM" wrote in message
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"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
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...snip...
Another quote: We want to make people realise that driving a big 4x4 in
town
is as socially unacceptable as drink-driving." Now that really is
evidence
of someone that's lost touch with reality.

Sorry Bill but I have to disagree here. For those of you who live or
worok in rural areas, own 4x4s and really need them, I have no problems.
And clearly there will be times where you drive through town and again,
no
problem at all because its better you have one car than a second "just
for
town".

However London is full of "Chelsea tractors" with no ground clearence,
pristine paintwork and normally driven by a "footballer's wife" who is
concentrating on not smearing her makeup whilst talking on her
non-handsfree mobile phone. Ask my wife (who walks our chidren a whole
mile to school each morning much to other peoples' amazement!) which
type
of vehicles screams around corners with no indicators and clog up our
small roads because they are too far important to ever give way,
typically
resulting in gridlock because two of these monsters don't fit down our
narrow streets.

Sorry, but most of these owners have no need for these monsters - it's
just - umm, what's the female equivalent of penis envy?


Don't know if Bill was actually sticking up for 4x4s in towns, many people
think they are an un-necessary burden on already crowded city streets, but
'as socially unacceptable as drink-driving' ...? Come on, not really in
the same ballpark!

When people die from respiratory problems as a result of the drop in air
quality during warm weather created by vehicle emissions, then 4x4's are in
a similar category to drunk drivers.

(kim)

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wrote in message
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This is just playing Little Britain, the growth of world population
swamps our problem (if there is one). If the worlds overpopulation
was dealt with then there wouldn't be the pressures on ours.

All we need to do is keep the buggers out. There isn't an overpopulation
problem at the Ritz because they don't let all and sundry in. It ain't
rocket science.

They want to come here because this country is a soft touch. NHS, welfare,
God knows what. They don't come here for our benefit.

Bill

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"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...
...snip...
Another quote: We want to make people realise that driving a big 4x4 in
town
is as socially unacceptable as drink-driving." Now that really is
evidence
of someone that's lost touch with reality.

Sorry Bill but I have to disagree here. For those of you who live or
worok
in rural areas, own 4x4s and really need them, I have no problems.

I've got news for you. In some UK towns the roads are in such a poor state
of repair they can only be safely negotiated in a 4x4. 'Pothole City' is a
phrase which comes to mind.

(kim)

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"kim" wrote in message
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"ChrisM" wrote in message
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When people die from respiratory problems as a result of the drop in air
quality during warm weather created by vehicle emissions, then 4x4's are
in
a similar category to drunk drivers.

By that logic the following are also branded as murderers:
everyone who flies in a plane
everyone who drives anywhere for social or pleasure reasons

Bill

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Drax (TOT)
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
Michael Rozdoba wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:

Yes, and population growth is caused by immigration. Sucessive
governments
have let us all down badly here, allowing so many people to enter the
country. It would be fine if the people coming in were selected on
grounds
of ability --

[snip]

It's my understanding generally that has been the case, which totally
undermines your objections. An account which fits with my own
understanding, more or less, can be read he
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4203587.stm

It also fits with my expectations of people & more so governments. They
may be incompetent, but generally not as incompetent as self interested
& certainly not prone to acting out of a sense of duty or moral right;
thus if there's an influx of immigrants one can be reasonably sure it's
as someone here wants them for something.

You would have to be quite naive to believe that _everyone_ who comes
here "because we need their skills" actually comes here because we need
their skills! I'm sure most do, but I've seen nepotism on a shocking
scale.

The oft quoted "jobs which native people won't do" seems nonsense to me
as well. There seem to be plenty of English people doing nothing and
expecting the state to keep them. I'm sure they're quite capable of
being cleaners etc, so that's what they should do.

They would certainly do those jobs if they were paid the same kind of money
as the people who think they should do those jobs. Also, whereas the first
generation of immigrants may be willing to do them, their offspring most
certainly won't so we are then back to the same situation as before only
worse.

(kim)

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"kim" wrote in message
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"ChrisM" wrote in message
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When people die from respiratory problems as a result of the drop in air
quality during warm weather created by vehicle emissions, then 4x4's are
in
a similar category to drunk drivers.

By that logic the following are also branded as murderers:
everyone who flies in a plane
everyone who drives anywhere for social or pleasure reasons

It's not 'murder' in either case as there is no intention to kill. It is
merely a random and inevitable consequence of those actions.

(kim)

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Bill Wright wrote:
wrote in message
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This is just playing Little Britain, the growth of world population
swamps our problem (if there is one). If the worlds overpopulation
was dealt with then there wouldn't be the pressures on ours.

All we need to do is keep the buggers out. There isn't an
overpopulation problem at the Ritz because they don't let all and
sundry in. It ain't rocket science.

They want to come here because this country is a soft touch. NHS,
welfare, God knows what. They don't come here for our benefit.


Yet Blair is still religiously adhering to a 60 year-old asylum law, which
was introduced long before the days of mass air travel and was originally
intended to mop up a few tens of thousands of displaced white European
refugees.


Bill

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Bill Wright wrote:

wrote in message
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This is just playing Little Britain, the growth of world population
swamps our problem (if there is one). If the worlds overpopulation
was dealt with then there wouldn't be the pressures on ours.

All we need to do is keep the buggers out. There isn't an overpopulation
problem at the Ritz because they don't let all and sundry in. It ain't
rocket science.

.... and you think that people who live in the Ritz shouldn't care
about the hoi polloi outside no doubt!

--
Chris Green