Drax (TOT)
 

mike wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in
:

"Their campaign against CO2 is is a vehicle for a much more radical
political agenda, however. "Our movement is based on questioning the
whole basis of economic growth" said Robbie Madden . . ."

While I agree with your thoughts about these people, I think the basic
problem is population growth, which necessarily causes economic growth,
which is all going to end, unless reversed, in unimaginable disaster.

You're 200+ years too late with that theory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus

Cheers,
David.

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Paul D.Smith wrote:
...snip...
Another quote: We want to make people realise that driving a big 4x4 in
town
is as socially unacceptable as drink-driving." Now that really is evidence
of someone that's lost touch with reality.

Sorry Bill but I have to disagree here. For those of you who live or worok
in rural areas, own 4x4s and really need them, I have no problems. And
clearly there will be times where you drive through town and again, no
problem at all because its better you have one car than a second "just for
town".

However London is full of "Chelsea tractors" with no ground clearence,
pristine paintwork and normally driven by a "footballer's wife" who is
concentrating on not smearing her makeup whilst talking on her non-handsfree
mobile phone. Ask my wife (who walks our chidren a whole mile to school
each morning much to other peoples' amazement!) which type of vehicles
screams around corners with no indicators and clog up our small roads
because they are too far important to ever give way, typically resulting in
gridlock because two of these monsters don't fit down our narrow streets.

Sorry, but most of these owners have no need for these monsters - it's
just - umm, what's the female equivalent of penis envy?

I think it's called penis envy. Didn't Freud term this phrase ad it
was something women were supposed to have due to a lack of penises
(peni??).

Personally I have now problems in this area being as I have more
penises than the average man :=))

Mr Zikki Malambo DOD 6809

Drax (TOT)
 

"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...
...snip...
Another quote: We want to make people realise that driving a big 4x4 in
town
is as socially unacceptable as drink-driving." Now that really is
evidence
of someone that's lost touch with reality.

Sorry Bill but I have to disagree here. For those of you who live or
worok in rural areas, own 4x4s and really need them, I have no problems.
And clearly there will be times where you drive through town and again, no
problem at all because its better you have one car than a second "just for
town".

However London is full of "Chelsea tractors" with no ground clearence,
pristine paintwork and normally driven by a "footballer's wife" who is
concentrating on not smearing her makeup whilst talking on her
non-handsfree mobile phone. Ask my wife (who walks our chidren a whole
mile to school each morning much to other peoples' amazement!) which type
of vehicles screams around corners with no indicators and clog up our
small roads because they are too far important to ever give way, typically
resulting in gridlock because two of these monsters don't fit down our
narrow streets.

Sorry, but most of these owners have no need for these monsters - it's
just - umm, what's the female equivalent of penis envy?


Don't know if Bill was actually sticking up for 4x4s in towns, many people
think they are an un-necessary burden on already crowded city streets, but
'as socially unacceptable as drink-driving' ...? Come on, not really in
the same ballpark!

Chris.

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wrote in message
...
Bill Wright wrote:
Where are you at Bill!?

"population growth" refers to *world* population growth, that's the
problem, not our little (somewhat overcrowded) country.

I'm concerned about population growth in this country. Population growth is
controllable, so it's up to each nation state. Just because foreigners can't
sort the problem out doesn't mean we shouldn't.There's too much of the 'it's
a world problem so we can't do anything about it' mentality.

Bill

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"Ivan" wrote in message
.uk...
wrote:

Bill obviously means the population growth of the UK, which in my lifetime
has increased from 50 million to 60 million, despite a declining
birthrate.


Yes and it's long overdue that it was sorted out. We can't turn back the
clock, but we can start now with a complete ban on immigration except for
people whose skills we need. Furthermore we should ban totally people from
cultures which we know from experience will cause them to make no attempt to
integrate into mainstream society. The growth of ghettos full of alienated
people is a great danger.

Bill

Drax (TOT)
 

"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...
...snip...
Another quote: We want to make people realise that driving a big 4x4 in
town
is as socially unacceptable as drink-driving." Now that really is
evidence
of someone that's lost touch with reality.

Sorry Bill but I have to disagree here. For those of you who live or
worok in rural areas, own 4x4s and really need them, I have no problems.
And clearly there will be times where you drive through town and again, no
problem at all because its better you have one car than a second "just for
town".

However London is full of "Chelsea tractors" with no ground clearence,
pristine paintwork and normally driven by a "footballer's wife" who is
concentrating on not smearing her makeup whilst talking on her
non-handsfree mobile phone. Ask my wife (who walks our chidren a whole
mile to school each morning much to other peoples' amazement!) which type
of vehicles screams around corners with no indicators and clog up our
small roads because they are too far important to ever give way, typically
resulting in gridlock because two of these monsters don't fit down our
narrow streets.

Sorry, but most of these owners have no need for these monsters - it's
just - umm, what's the female equivalent of penis envy?

None of this I dispute. I think urban 4x4 drivers are prats (although I
defend their right be be prats). But read what I said. OK, which would you
rather meet on the road, a 4x4 or a drunken driver? No contest is it?

Bill

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"ChrisM" wrote in message
...
Don't know if Bill was actually sticking up for 4x4s in towns, many people
think they are an un-necessary burden on already crowded city streets, but
'as socially unacceptable as drink-driving' ...? Come on, not really in
the same ballpark!

Exactly. 4x4 drivers are generally *******, but they are far better than
drunken drivers.

Bill

Drax (TOT)
 

....snip...
None of this I dispute. I think urban 4x4 drivers are prats (although I
defend their right be be prats). But read what I said. OK, which would you
rather meet on the road, a 4x4 or a drunken driver? No contest is it?

Bill

Take your point. It didn't jump out at me when I first read your e-mail but
then it is Monday morning ;-).

That said, the way 4x4s charge around here ignoring traffic lights and
failing to bother with anything as mundane as indicators, the only visible
difference between them and many drunk-drivers is the time of day in which
you see them. But of course that probably says far more about the person
driving than the vehicle.

Paul DS.

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Bill Wright wrote:
"Ivan" wrote in message
.uk...
wrote:

Bill obviously means the population growth of the UK, which in my
lifetime has increased from 50 million to 60 million, despite a
declining birthrate.


Yes and it's long overdue that it was sorted out. We can't turn back
the clock, but we can start now with a complete ban on immigration
except for people whose skills we need. Furthermore we should ban
totally people from cultures which we know from experience will cause
them to make no attempt to integrate into mainstream society. The
growth of ghettos full of alienated people is a great danger.



I've just been listening to a national radio phone-in about the state a
modern-day politics, the host said that he was 'absolutely horrified' by the
amount of phone calls and text messages that he had received from people
saying that they were so fed up and disillusioned by the current political
parties, that they next intended to vote BNP wherever possible.

Doing a similar job yourself, I come into contact with a good cross section
of the general public on a daily basis, and I'm sorry to say that I'm
beginning to hear increasing amounts of people voicing similar opinions.




Bill

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"ChrisM" wrote in message
...
Don't know if Bill was actually sticking up for 4x4s in towns, many
people think they are an un-necessary burden on already crowded city
streets, but 'as socially unacceptable as drink-driving' ...? Come on,
not really in the same ballpark!


4x4 drivers are generally *******,

My sentiments exactly, and much better put than my 'un-necessary burden on
crowded city streets' !! ;-))
Disclaimer: I don't include people that NEED to have a 4x4 in the above.
Though some farmers I've met have also been ******* (but not because of the
car they drive)