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It would be more polite to address the question rather than
making political speeches. Its probably safer to live in
Iran than rogue states led by insane religious leaders, like
the USA.

--
Jim Watt

"Polite?" **** you.

"Politcal speech?" **** you. Four sentences is a speech?
Its an "opinion." Which I am free to have & express here.

It would be "more polite" of you stick to the topic if you don't like the
thread I started, as a free American.

"Rogue state?" American Freedom is engulfing the world. Its a long & painful
process because a lot of societies fear the evolution & if you don't like
it, fight & die. Many have & more will.

SNIP
 

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Not to mention "crossposting."

If you dont like the thread, skip over it.

SNIP
 

Indoor Satellite Television Dish for populated cities?
 

As noted, some types of glass will pass satellite signals, and others won't.
Plain glass works fine. Glass with various kinds of coatings can be a problem.
All glass attenuates the signal somewhat, so double-pane windows will pose more
of a challenge. Plexiglass (ie plastic or acrylic) is better at passing RF
satellite signals than glass.

Regarding a mesh dish, you need to consider what kinds of signals you want to
receive. The comments of the poster below apply to C-band signals, but the
original poster is most likely interested in Ku-band signals, which require a
finer mesh. To pass Ku-band signals, the holes in the wire mesh must be smaller
than a typical pencil.

I would suggest that the best option for the original poster is to find clever
ways to cover an outdoor dish. A big plastic garbage can turned upside down can
work fine. I've seen fake rocks made for this purpose as well (also made of
plastic). You can of course just build a tarp-covered structure or similar.
Basically, anything that fits over the dish and isn't made substantially of
metal should be okay. You might even consider "potting" the dish with lots of
expanding foam, then carving an interesting (or utilitarian) shape from it.


Homer wrote:
I am not really sure how signal can pass a brick wall or a glass
window. I believe when these website are talking about "inside dish"
they are talking about size and not sensitivity.

The only way that I know of is to replace a glass window with a
transparent plastic version (acrylic) and put the dish behind it.

Another way is to make dish from chicken wire. As long as wires are
less than one centimeter apart you will get the signal like the
regulate dish. In this way, dish will be less noticeable if you leave
it outside.




[snip]

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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:21:26 GMT, "ORION" wrote:

"Rogue state?" American Freedom is engulfing the world. Its a long & painful
process because a lot of societies fear the evolution & if you don't like
it, fight & die. Many have & more will.

But will last a thousand years ?



--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:32:37 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
wrote:

BTW he was trying to 'transmit' them on the internet

Uh no, he was trying to RESELL them. And as such broke the law, regardless
of transmission medium. It'll certainly be interesting to see how that case
gets handled. But without actual details, beyond cut-and-paste newsfeed
text, it's pointless to speculate. Regardless it has little or nothing to
do with supporting your ludicrous claims about safety or religious
leadership influence. It's rather pathetic if what you want to do is
somehow disarm someone else's argument by deflecting the argument to
criticize the country. The two issues just don't conflate. But hey, it's
clear from your other postings you don't exactly possess an excess of
debating skills.

Thats looks rather like the "can't discuss the issues so lets
shoot the messenger" answer.

The reason this guy is in trouble is because your Government
has decided that you are not allowed to see al-Manar because
a small lobby group the 'Coalition Against Terrorist Media'
has campaigned to have it banned.

They have taken away YOUR freedom to watch and listen to the
point of view of those who are bombed and murdered by state
founded by terrorists that engages in assassination and
bombing of its opponents. It has nuclear and chemical weapons
as well as a wide network of intelligence gathering and lobby
groups in your country.

You critisise the Iranian Government for restricting reception
but yours, at the insistance of a small lobby group defending
the interests of a foreign state bans the transmission from the
satellite.

There seems to be little difference in the result.

Your Government is still holding innocent people without trial
in Guantanamo, and stem cell research is banned on religious
grounds by the leader.

Thankfully I somewhere which has not signed up to fast track
extradition to the US for alleged crimes committed
outside your jurisdiction, so can write freely unlike the
those resident in the United Kingdom who can be on a plane
to the US faster than you could say 'Natwest Three' or
David Carruthers.

Now all I wanted to do was advise a guy in Iran how he could
watch Eastenders without drawing the attention of the thought
police. As your Government already can control what is shown
on satellite, is currently trying to control what you can
access on the Internet, and is listening to your phone calls to
make sure you comply - you will have to address your problems
directly, but don't deny they exist.

Now assure me this is not serious ...

http://www.cafepress.com/electionoutlet.39700142


--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:21:26 GMT) it happened "ORION"
wrote in
. net:

"Rogue state?" American Freedom is engulfing the world. Its a long & painful
------------------------^^^^^^^^^
violence
Dear Sir, allow me the minor spelling correction.

Thank you
Julius Ceasar

Now go home and get shot.

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Unregistered wrote:

Regarding a mesh dish, you need to consider what kinds of signals you want to
receive. The comments of the poster below apply to C-band signals, but the
original poster is most likely interested in Ku-band signals, which require a
finer mesh. To pass Ku-band signals, the holes in the wire mesh must be smaller
than a typical pencil.

You probably mean 'reflect' here, but it might be an idea. It is
important that the mesh holes are closed. Woven corroded wire will not
work. Galvanized chicken wire will, as it is galvanized after forming.
But the holes are too large (perhaps the 1 cm square holesstuff can work)?

Also, the dish shape needs to be exact to a percentage of the
wavelength. This means a C-band dish can be more 'out of shape' than a
Ku-band dish. Making the dish in the right shape will be pretty hard.


Thomas

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Jim Watt wrote:

The reason this guy is in trouble is because your Government
has decided that you are not allowed to see al-Manar because
a small lobby group the 'Coalition Against Terrorist Media'
has campaigned to have it banned.

I think nobody would miss Al-Manar's propaganda. But there are more
propaganda channels in the world than this one.

It is strange to see how shallow our 'freedom' is. To quote Roger Waters:

"We've got Mercedes We've got Porsche Ferrari and Rolls Royce We've got
a choice" - indeed.


Thomas

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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:07:32 +0200, Zak wrote:

I think nobody would miss Al-Manar's propaganda.

But freedom is the ability to make a personal
choice not to watch it and its also valuable to
watch peoples propaganda to know what they are
saying, even if its total rubbish.

I watched President Bush the other day giving a
speech about the evil men in Iraq who wanted to
get rid of the lawful Government.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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Jim Watt wrote:

But freedom is the ability to make a personal
choice not to watch it and its also valuable to
watch peoples propaganda to know what they are
saying, even if its total rubbish.

Obviously, you are right. Some things probably shouldn't be said, but it
can't be said that the western leaders are always right.


Thomas

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:26:45 +0200, Zak wrote:

Jim Watt wrote:

But freedom is the ability to make a personal
choice not to watch it and its also valuable to
watch peoples propaganda to know what they are
saying, even if its total rubbish.

Obviously, you are right. Some things probably shouldn't be said, but it
can't be said that the western leaders are always right.

There are no wrong questions, just wrong answers.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
...

Which, when you get caught, will make things worse for you since you not
only had the prohibited dish but you also conspired to HIDE it.

Overthrow the government.


Just remember that prior to SKY satelite dishes required a home office
permit to erect on private property, to get a permit
you would have had to show what research you were doing to justify a
licence.

After SKY, you were restricted to the minimum size required to recieve SKY.
Also drag out a TV & Radio licence from that period and you will see that
you were only licenced to receive transmissions from transmitters licenced
by the UK authority.

Even now sat dishes are subject to more restrictions to other 'garden
ornaments', See what you have to do to park a 30 foot yacht in your garden,
then try and replace it with a 10 foot dish.

If Murdoch had not used his political power to set up SKY I expect we would
be asking how to make discrete dishes.

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"Rogue state?" American Freedom is engulfing the world. Its a long &
painful
process because a lot of societies fear the evolution & if you don't like
it, fight & die. Many have & more will.

But will last a thousand years ?
--
Jim Watt


Dear Sir;

Our race has been at war with itself since before we were able to denote
classification of ourselves as a race. We always seem to find an excuse to
provoke, snub, invoke, invade, occupy, erradicate...Jews & Muslims have
warred since Issac & Ishmæl. Then the whole Christ thing became a virus to
the rest of the planet in a race to infect the world faster than Islam while
both somehow killed many, many Jews. Yet, all three religions are of the
same deity.

How old are these religions compared to America's 230?

What percentage of our progress since the beginning of our recorded history
in those 230 years?

Whatever the religion, we have to co-exist, to tolerate. America is in the
business of doing business based on the collective knowledge every immigrant
& natural born American contribute to American policy.

Sometimes the wrong people are steering that ship. But progress is always
being made. Where was Deutchland before the Nationalist reconstruction?

When America elects a new president, they will have the best idea of what
they want in a leader because they will have 16 years of lessons to compare
& reference.

What the rest of the world needs to realize is that the dark government
operating within all our governments is controlling us through the media.
They have an agenda few of us are aware of. That is the plot to never
achieve world peace. The bible declares the world will end as we know it
after ten years of world peace.

The greatest conspiracy of all time is the generation of excuses for war on
small scales throughout the world. Most of which are religious. Or perhaps
the deity is behind the intrigue & perpetuates its lies to see if we
continue to kill each other.

Either way, if people could communicate civily, we could all take part in
the progress of our race. If only people could share ideas without killing
each other for it

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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:10:53 GMT, "ORION" wrote:

snip

Either way, if people could communicate civily, we could all take part in
the progress of our race. If only people could share ideas without killing
each other for it

Abolishing secret prisons and detention without trial
might help too.

I believe America signed up to the UDHR

Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by
an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his
rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.


--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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"JF" wrote in message
...

Curiously, dish size was determined by Arthur C Clarke in his paper 'Extra
Terrestrial Relays' published in 1945.

Having not read it I can't say you are wrong, but two parts of the equation
would be transmission power and signal to noise of the receiver,
both of which would be difficult for AC to consider as they are so dependent
on technical developments.



'Political power' is not and was not required. Money was. Lots of it.
SES's Astra satellite venture, based in Luxembourg, is a commercial
venture.



In the quantities involved money and political power go hand in hand.

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Abolishing secret prisons and detention without trial
might help too.

I believe America signed up to the UDHR

Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by
an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his
rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.


--
Jim Watt


Ah, a perfectionist. I feel the same way.
Terrorism is a bitch, too. At least Ireland is on the mend.

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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:39:36 GMT, "ORION" wrote:

Terrorism is a bitch, too. At least Ireland is on the mend.

It helps that America has decided that supporting
terrorism there is a bad idea, although Noraid is
still around.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com