I know it's probably just silly but
 

I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.

Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?

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Paul Heslop wrote:
I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.

Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?


Don't know about DVDs, but at least some Freeview PVRs
(hard-disc recorders) save subtitle information.

I know it's probably just silly but
 

Paul Heslop wrote:

I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.

Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?

I don't know whether there are currently any DVD recorders on the market
with this capability, but yes, it is technically possible.

There are people who routinely capture subtitled DVB broadcasts either
with their PCs (using PCI-based DVB tuner cards) or with their HDD-based
DVB recorders (such as Topfield or Dreambox) and then massage the
captured MPEG-2 streams with ProjectX and other software tools so that
they can record them on a DVD with (optional) DVD subtitles which can be
toggled on and off at viewer's discretion.

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Are you absolutely sure there's no doubt? I don't want to worry you, but . .
..

Bill

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JW wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.

Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?


Don't know about DVDs, but at least some Freeview PVRs
(hard-disc recorders) save subtitle information.

hm. Wonder if it's transferable?
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Jukka Aho wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:

I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.

Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?

I don't know whether there are currently any DVD recorders on the market
with this capability, but yes, it is technically possible.

There are people who routinely capture subtitled DVB broadcasts either
with their PCs (using PCI-based DVB tuner cards) or with their HDD-based
DVB recorders (such as Topfield or Dreambox) and then massage the
captured MPEG-2 streams with ProjectX and other software tools so that
they can record them on a DVD with (optional) DVD subtitles which can be
toggled on and off at viewer's discretion.

--
znark

That's cool, yeah, it looks like maybe something to look forward to in
the future for stand alones.

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Bill Wright wrote:

"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
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Paul (Neurotic to the bone No doubt about it)
Are you absolutely sure there's no doubt? I don't want to worry you, but . .
.

Bill

Oh, I'm not sure... now I'm even more neurotic!

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Paul Heslop wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Paul (Neurotic to the bone No doubt about it)
Are you absolutely sure there's no doubt? I don't want to worry you, but . .
.

Bill

Oh, I'm not sure... now I'm even more neurotic!

I had a Philips VCR that had the option to record subtitles, updated my
system and threw it in the bin because no one wanted it. Anyway I now
have a Topfield satellite PVR, that displays and records sub titles
fine, I would imagine that their digital ones are the same. Incidentally
I bought a Humax before this, and that was useless at subtitles,
particularly ITV, so the vendor swopped it for my Toppy.

I know it's probably just silly but
 

Broadback wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Paul (Neurotic to the bone No doubt about it)
Are you absolutely sure there's no doubt? I don't want to worry you, but . .
.

Bill

Oh, I'm not sure... now I'm even more neurotic!

I had a Philips VCR that had the option to record subtitles, updated my
system and threw it in the bin because no one wanted it. Anyway I now
have a Topfield satellite PVR, that displays and records sub titles
fine, I would imagine that their digital ones are the same. Incidentally
I bought a Humax before this, and that was useless at subtitles,
particularly ITV, so the vendor swopped it for my Toppy.

Thanks. I don't know why the idea of a none removable recorder doesn't
appeal. I think I've always liked the idea of having tapes/dvd
whatever that I can pass around, like a recent recording of a comedy
evening, which obviously would be impossible with a locked in hard
drive machine.

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Paul Heslop wrote:
JW wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.

Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?


Don't know about DVDs, but at least some Freeview PVRs
(hard-disc recorders) save subtitle information.

hm. Wonder if it's transferable?

If you have a Humax 9200t PVR, you can upload video files to a PC and
you can then create DVDs complete with subtitles. I don't know how
precisely it is done but it involves a fair amount of faffing around,
IIRC.





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Paul Heslop wrote:
Thanks. I don't know why the idea of a none removable recorder doesn't
appeal. I think I've always liked the idea of having tapes/dvd
whatever that I can pass around, like a recent recording of a comedy
evening, which obviously would be impossible with a locked in hard
drive machine.

You always have the option of making a copy of your recording onto a DVD or
tape. Or moving the viewers instead of the recording (my preferred option).
Unless you routinely hand out copies of everything you record, I really
can't see why you remain so attached to the idea of removeable media!

I know it's probably just silly but
 

I really
can't see why you remain so attached to the idea of removeable media!
I think for the time being, removable media is fairly essential if you ever
want to let someone else (who doesn't live with you) to watch any of your
recordings...
That way, if you have somthing you'd like someone else to see, you can say
'Here, this was good! You'll like it, take this DVD and watch it when you
get a chance'. Rather than trying to schedule a time for them to come round
your house and sit and watch it. Chances are, you won't necesserally want to
see it again so soon anyway.

Maybe in the future, you'll be able to email them a copy over
ultra-high-speed broadband that'll download straight into their own PVR, and
then discs will become redundant, but until that day...

:-)

Chris.

I know it's probably just silly but
 

"ChrisM" wrote in message
...

I really
can't see why you remain so attached to the idea of removeable media!
I think for the time being, removable media is fairly essential if you
ever want to let someone else (who doesn't live with you) to watch any of
your recordings...
That way, if you have somthing you'd like someone else to see, you can say
'Here, this was good! You'll like it, take this DVD and watch it when you
get a chance'. Rather than trying to schedule a time for them to come
round your house and sit and watch it. Chances are, you won't necesserally
want to see it again so soon anyway.

Maybe in the future, you'll be able to email them a copy over
ultra-high-speed broadband that'll download straight into their own PVR,
and then discs will become redundant, but until that day...

:-)

Chris.



Mind you, I tend to agree that as long as it is a trivial task to create a
DVD from a recording via your PC, it's not necessary to have a removable
media drive actually as part of the recorder.
Maybe that was your point?

Cheers,

Chris.

I know it's probably just silly but
 

ChrisM wrote:
Mind you, I tend to agree that as long as it is a trivial task to
create a DVD from a recording via your PC, it's not necessary to have
a removable media drive actually as part of the recorder.
Maybe that was your point?

Well, that would be nice but it isn't really the case for any existing
machine. Ideally, I'd like a PVR with an ethernet connection so I could
freely transfer data between it and my PC.

My point was more along the lines that for most people, most of the time,
the cycle goes: record/watch/delete, or perhaps record/watch/watch
again/delete. A hard drive based machine is perfect for this. For those
occasions when you want to preserve a recording indefinitely or lend it to
someone, you can always make a copy in real-time on a removeable medium
using a standalone VCR or DVD recorder. I have to say that in nearly two
years of exclusive PVR usage, I have done this precisely once (a VHS tape
for a friend).

Burning a DVD directly from the hard drive image requires jumping through
more hoops than I am prepared to tolerate at this stage in the game. If it
was easier, I would probably do it *very* occassionally.

I know it's probably just silly but
 

"Pyriform" wrote in message
...
ChrisM wrote:
Mind you, I tend to agree that as long as it is a trivial task to
create a DVD from a recording via your PC, it's not necessary to have
a removable media drive actually as part of the recorder.
Maybe that was your point?

Well, that would be nice but it isn't really the case for any existing
machine. Ideally, I'd like a PVR with an ethernet connection so I could
freely transfer data between it and my PC.

My point was more along the lines that for most people, most of the time,
the cycle goes: record/watch/delete, or perhaps record/watch/watch
again/delete. A hard drive based machine is perfect for this. For those
occasions when you want to preserve a recording indefinitely or lend it to
someone, you can always make a copy in real-time on a removeable medium
using a standalone VCR or DVD recorder. I have to say that in nearly two
years of exclusive PVR usage, I have done this precisely once (a VHS tape
for a friend).

Burning a DVD directly from the hard drive image requires jumping through
more hoops than I am prepared to tolerate at this stage in the game. If it
was easier, I would probably do it *very* occassionally.

I was thinking along the lines (and I fully realise that it doesn work like
this - yet, though there is no technological reason why it couldn't) of a
piece of software that ran on the PC, and talked to the PVR across your
home-network.
You could look at the recordings on your PVR from the computer screen,
select one (or several) and press the 'Burn To DVD' button to create your
disc. Quite agree that anything more than that would be too much hassle,
except in exceptional circumstances.

Chris.

I know it's probably just silly but
 

JPG wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
JW wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.

Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?


Don't know about DVDs, but at least some Freeview PVRs
(hard-disc recorders) save subtitle information.

hm. Wonder if it's transferable?

If you have a Humax 9200t PVR, you can upload video files to a PC and
you can then create DVDs complete with subtitles. I don't know how
precisely it is done but it involves a fair amount of faffing around,
IIRC.

Not yet anyway, but yes, it does sound like a bit of a faff. I haven't
even forced myself into buying a dvd burner yet :O)


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Pyriform wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
Thanks. I don't know why the idea of a none removable recorder doesn't
appeal. I think I've always liked the idea of having tapes/dvd
whatever that I can pass around, like a recent recording of a comedy
evening, which obviously would be impossible with a locked in hard
drive machine.

You always have the option of making a copy of your recording onto a DVD or
tape. Or moving the viewers instead of the recording (my preferred option).
Unless you routinely hand out copies of everything you record, I really
can't see why you remain so attached to the idea of removeable media!

Force of habit. I've been into video (VCR) and audio taping since
wayyyyyyyyyy back and something sticks there. Recent good example.
Dead xbox, new xbox, saved games on old drive instead of nice
removable media. I actually love having the huge hard drive but
there's always something.

I am often asked to record things for my grandkids, and if I record
stand up comedy there's always someone wants to borrow it, same goes
for movies etc.

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I know it's probably just silly but
 

ChrisM wrote:

I really
can't see why you remain so attached to the idea of removeable media!
I think for the time being, removable media is fairly essential if you ever
want to let someone else (who doesn't live with you) to watch any of your
recordings...
That way, if you have somthing you'd like someone else to see, you can say
'Here, this was good! You'll like it, take this DVD and watch it when you
get a chance'. Rather than trying to schedule a time for them to come round
your house and sit and watch it. Chances are, you won't necesserally want to
see it again so soon anyway.

Maybe in the future, you'll be able to email them a copy over
ultra-high-speed broadband that'll download straight into their own PVR, and
then discs will become redundant, but until that day...

:-)

Chris.

yeah, that would be pretty cool, but where's the big library of
vhs/dvd cases etc? We'll be reduced to buying books to fill our
shelves! :O)

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Pyriform wrote:

ChrisM wrote:
Mind you, I tend to agree that as long as it is a trivial task to
create a DVD from a recording via your PC, it's not necessary to have
a removable media drive actually as part of the recorder.
Maybe that was your point?

Well, that would be nice but it isn't really the case for any existing
machine. Ideally, I'd like a PVR with an ethernet connection so I could
freely transfer data between it and my PC.

My point was more along the lines that for most people, most of the time,
the cycle goes: record/watch/delete, or perhaps record/watch/watch
again/delete. A hard drive based machine is perfect for this. For those
occasions when you want to preserve a recording indefinitely or lend it to
someone, you can always make a copy in real-time on a removeable medium
using a standalone VCR or DVD recorder. I have to say that in nearly two
years of exclusive PVR usage, I have done this precisely once (a VHS tape
for a friend).

There in we differ. I record stuff for family a lot. I may just see
something and think, hm, so and so will like this, or I may be the
only one who spots that Peter Kay is on for a few hours one night,
those sort of things. Plus there are sometimes weekends on satellite
dedicated to a particular program and I'll record them all so i don't
have to watch them in half hour drabs every week or whatever.

I do understand your idea and it is pretty sound, but some of us don't
think that way and for reasons quite complex for me having, say, an
mp3 player full of hundreds of songs to play randomly is not as good
as having a few cds or minidiscs with them on.


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ChrisM wrote:

I was thinking along the lines (and I fully realise that it doesn work like
this - yet, though there is no technological reason why it couldn't) of a
piece of software that ran on the PC, and talked to the PVR across your
home-network.
You could look at the recordings on your PVR from the computer screen,
select one (or several) and press the 'Burn To DVD' button to create your
disc. Quite agree that anything more than that would be too much hassle,
except in exceptional circumstances.

Oh dear. I was just picking up on the enthusiasm here for the Topfield &
thinking of looking into getting one, but had assumed copying
selectively to dvd on a PC would be easy.

What faff does it currently involve?

--
Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t

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JW wrote:
Paul Heslop wrote:

I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.
Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?


Don't know about DVDs, but at least some Freeview PVRs (hard-disc
recorders) save subtitle information.

Having checked a manual I downloaded a while ago, I can
confirm that a Panasonic DVD Recorder can record subtitles.
This is the DMR-ES20DEB, but I don't know if that's a
current model. However, it says:
"Recorded subtitles cannot be switched off later." :(
Though that seems to be contradicted by the disc playback
setup instructions.

I know it's probably just silly but
 

Paul Heslop wrote:
Pyriform wrote:
My point was more along the lines that for most people, most of the
time, the cycle goes: record/watch/delete, or perhaps
record/watch/watch again/delete. A hard drive based machine is
perfect for this. For those occasions when you want to preserve a
recording indefinitely or lend it to someone, you can always make a
copy in real-time on a removeable medium using a standalone VCR or
DVD recorder. I have to say that in nearly two years of exclusive
PVR usage, I have done this precisely once (a VHS tape for a friend).

There in we differ. I record stuff for family a lot. I may just see
something and think, hm, so and so will like this, or I may be the
only one who spots that Peter Kay is on for a few hours one night,
those sort of things.

Well, I hope they appreciate your efforts! You are, in effect, a human
TiVo...

I know it's probably just silly but
 

Pyriform wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:
Pyriform wrote:
My point was more along the lines that for most people, most of the
time, the cycle goes: record/watch/delete, or perhaps
record/watch/watch again/delete. A hard drive based machine is
perfect for this. For those occasions when you want to preserve a
recording indefinitely or lend it to someone, you can always make a
copy in real-time on a removeable medium using a standalone VCR or
DVD recorder. I have to say that in nearly two years of exclusive
PVR usage, I have done this precisely once (a VHS tape for a friend).

There in we differ. I record stuff for family a lot. I may just see
something and think, hm, so and so will like this, or I may be the
only one who spots that Peter Kay is on for a few hours one night,
those sort of things.

Well, I hope they appreciate your efforts! You are, in effect, a human
TiVo...

Heh heh, occasionally I get a big cuddle from the grand daughters
which will suffice. :O)

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JW wrote:

JW wrote:
Paul Heslop wrote:

I always thought that one of the advantages of digital would be the
automatic recording of subtitle information onto a dvd if it's
available. I don't mean turning the titles on permanently but putting
them onto the dvd as an option.
Is this a possibility for future machines? Do machines with built in
freeview record subtitle info?


Don't know about DVDs, but at least some Freeview PVRs (hard-disc
recorders) save subtitle information.

Having checked a manual I downloaded a while ago, I can
confirm that a Panasonic DVD Recorder can record subtitles.
This is the DMR-ES20DEB, but I don't know if that's a
current model. However, it says:
"Recorded subtitles cannot be switched off later." :(
Though that seems to be contradicted by the disc playback
setup instructions.

I think that one has just gone out of production, to be replaced with
a machine with a slightly different fascia. I think it has a digital
tuner. I tried to talk my mother in law into buying it but she
couldn't get her hands on it and went for an analogue with hard drive.


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