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Charlie Hoffpauir August 2nd 06 09:29 PM

A few questions about HDTV and DVD reciordings
 
I recently got a HDTV, and it's great with either HD programming, or
with DVDs played via my DVD recorder that provides progressive
playback (480p) to the new HDTV. But I also have a DirecTV recorder
(HR10-250), and it will only output (to the DVD recorder) a 480i
signal.

So the first question is, is there any way to capture an OTA HD
broadcast signal, and record it to DVD as a 480p recording? Either to
a stand alone DVD recorder, or to a PC based DVD burner (using a PC
with an ATSC tuner card)?

The TV is 1080p capable, presumably upscales any input to 1080p. The
HR10-250 will output via HDMI in either 720p or 1080i, so which one
should I select? Does one or the other use less storage space on the
disc drive, or produce any better upscaled images? (I can't "see" any
obvious difference, but then I can't "see" both at the same time
either.)

TIA for any suggestions...
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
Message board:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?ht...ames.hoffpauir
Mail list:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surn...hoffpauir.html
DNA project:
http://www.familytreedna.com/(153dme45ewxtrs45rzxk5z2x)/public/Hoffpauir/index.aspx

G-squared August 2nd 06 10:53 PM

A few questions about HDTV and DVD reciordings
 
Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
I recently got a HDTV, and it's great with either HD programming, or
with DVDs played via my DVD recorder that provides progressive
playback (480p) to the new HDTV. But I also have a DirecTV recorder
(HR10-250), and it will only output (to the DVD recorder) a 480i
signal.

So the first question is, is there any way to capture an OTA HD
broadcast signal, and record it to DVD as a 480p recording? Either

to
a stand alone DVD recorder, or to a PC based DVD burner (using a PC
with an ATSC tuner card)?

The TV is 1080p capable, presumably upscales any input to 1080p. The
HR10-250 will output via HDMI in either 720p or 1080i, so which one
should I select? Does one or the other use less storage space on the
disc drive, or produce any better upscaled images? (I can't "see"

any
obvious difference, but then I can't "see" both at the same time
either.)

TIA for any suggestions...
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
Message board:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?ht...ames.hoffpauir
Mail list:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surn...hoffpauir.html
DNA project:

http://www.familytreedna.com/(153dme...ic/Hoffpauir/i
ndex.aspx

I have recorded OTA HD and put it on DVD but I didn't down-res the
video. These DVDs do not play in DVD players, only computers with
Windows Media player -- in hi def. The ATI software will export a
down-res file but it takes longer to export that way. 43 minutes of
'24' takes about 2.7 Gbyte in HD though I'm told that Fox in LA runs
only 1 Mbit/second rather than 2. Not sure of the implications.

GG


Phat Bytestard August 3rd 06 06:56 AM

A few questions about HDTV and DVD reciordings
 
On 2 Aug 2006 13:53:14 -0700, "G-squared" Gave
us:

Windows Media player -- in hi def.


The two do not exist together.

Fred C. Dobbs August 3rd 06 03:38 PM

A few questions about HDTV and DVD reciordings
 
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:56:08 GMT, Phat Bytestard
wrote:

On 2 Aug 2006 13:53:14 -0700, "G-squared" Gave
us:

Windows Media player -- in hi def.


The two do not exist together.


Explain please.
What is the Hi Def media File on the Terminator 3 dvd that can only be
played back in Windows Media Player?

ZEKE, of the NERDS August 3rd 06 03:53 PM

A few questions about HDTV and DVD reciordings
 

"Phat Bytestard" wrote in message
...
On 2 Aug 2006 13:53:14 -0700, "G-squared" Gave
us:

Windows Media player -- in hi def.


The two do not exist together.


Windows Media Player 10 does a great job of playing HD at any resolution (at
least up to 1020p)

An excellent example of .WMV used for HD movies is

T2 -- EXTREME (here's the AMAZON link, but its everywhere for 9 bucks)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008PC2O/

*** start My review on amazon
A big problem with this and "Standing in the Shadows of Motown" is that they
were released before Windows Media 10 was available, and so required a few
add-ins to make it play in WM-9. Unfortunately this skin is not upward
compatible. in order to make it play, you must:

1. Either do not install or Go to control Panel, add-remove programs, and
uninstall the player that was installed by the disk called INTERACTUAL VIDEO
PLAYER or suchlike.

2. Look in the root directory of disk two for a program called DVDRUN.EXE
(you may not see the ".EXE" extension.) double click to run that program.
DVDRUN.exe will go on the internet to obtain a 5 day license to play the
movie. (after 5 days you can go get another one when needed.) The license
will be installed and managed by Windows Media 10.

3. Use windows search to find the .ASX files on the DVD. .ASX files are
Windows Media 10 playlists. For Terminator 2, the first file is called
CHAP_0.ASX but you should be able to use this method for other "legacy" DVD
versions of .WMV movies. You only need to click on the first file, the other
chapter lists are chained automatically.

For newly released WMV-HD and, hopefully, future versions of T2, Windows
Media Player 10 and above will simply start automagically and begin playing
the movie.

The minimum recommended system is a pentium 4 at 3.0 GHz or higher, i found
i get an acceptable quality with a bit of stuttering with a 2.8 GHz
computer. I have an AGP video card RADEON 9550, and i find increasing the
AGP speed reduces dropped frames.

If you love action movies, and you have an HDTV monitor, this movie might
just be your excuse to buy or build a new multimedia computer for your
family.
*** end review

The windows VISTA operating system (if it ever ships, *laugh*) includes
MEDIA CENTER
in all versions. Media center is a special version of Windows XP. Media
center organizes off-air
recording, and manages playout to several monitors around the house as
needed.

By the way, i did an off the air HD recording at 1920 X 1080i and the
results were absolutely beautiful
the only downside... a one hour program took 50 Gigs.

disco legend zeke



Bill's News August 4th 06 09:03 PM

A few questions about HDTV and DVD reciordings
 
ZEKE, of the NERDS wrote:
"Phat Bytestard" wrote
in
message ...
On 2 Aug 2006 13:53:14 -0700, "G-squared"
Gave
us:

Windows Media player -- in hi def.


The two do not exist together.


Windows Media Player 10 does a great job of playing HD at any
resolution (at least up to 1020p)

An excellent example of .WMV used for HD movies is

T2 -- EXTREME (here's the AMAZON link, but its everywhere for
9 bucks)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008PC2O/

*** start My review on amazon
A big problem with this and "Standing in the Shadows of
Motown" is
that they were released before Windows Media 10 was available,
and so
required a few add-ins to make it play in WM-9. Unfortunately
this
skin is not upward compatible. in order to make it play, you
must:

1. Either do not install or Go to control Panel, add-remove
programs,
and uninstall the player that was installed by the disk called
INTERACTUAL VIDEO PLAYER or suchlike.

2. Look in the root directory of disk two for a program called
DVDRUN.EXE (you may not see the ".EXE" extension.) double
click to
run that program. DVDRUN.exe will go on the internet to obtain
a 5
day license to play the movie. (after 5 days you can go get
another
one when needed.) The license will be installed and managed by
Windows Media 10.
3. Use windows search to find the .ASX files on the DVD. .ASX
files
are Windows Media 10 playlists. For Terminator 2, the first
file is
called CHAP_0.ASX but you should be able to use this method
for other
"legacy" DVD versions of .WMV movies. You only need to click
on the
first file, the other chapter lists are chained automatically.

For newly released WMV-HD and, hopefully, future versions of
T2,
Windows Media Player 10 and above will simply start
automagically and
begin playing the movie.

The minimum recommended system is a pentium 4 at 3.0 GHz or
higher, i
found i get an acceptable quality with a bit of stuttering
with a 2.8
GHz computer. I have an AGP video card RADEON 9550, and i find
increasing the AGP speed reduces dropped frames.

If you love action movies, and you have an HDTV monitor, this
movie
might just be your excuse to buy or build a new multimedia
computer
for your family.
*** end review

The windows VISTA operating system (if it ever ships, *laugh*)
includes MEDIA CENTER
in all versions. Media center is a special version of Windows
XP.
Media center organizes off-air
recording, and manages playout to several monitors around the
house as
needed.

By the way, i did an off the air HD recording at 1920 X 1080i
and the
results were absolutely beautiful
the only downside... a one hour program took 50 Gigs.


I have a problem with this file size?
OTA broadcast of HD in MPEG2 seems to be less than 5 gBph for
1280x720p and 10 gBph for 1920x1080i. An HD or BR disc
presently is nowhere near 50 gB. So why is your file size so
large?




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