OT, sort of... News from Oz land
 

July 13, 2006 - Australia's communications minister cited "insufficient
digital take-up" as the reason behind the delay in their transition.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds34825.html


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And some other wonderful stuff:

July 12, 2006 - Datacasting "too hard" in Australia, so it's shelved for
now:

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=38227


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March, 2006 "Indoor antennas are the last resort":

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=32846


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And, still . . . . no public over-the air HDTV broadcasting in England.
It's coming soon.

OT, sort of... News from Oz land
 

David wrote:
snip
March, 2006 "Indoor antennas are the last resort":

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=32846


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And, still . . . . no public over-the air HDTV broadcasting in England.
It's coming soon.

Hold the phone here. Isn't Australia COFDM? I thought that system could
cover the whole planet with a 10 watt transmitter and provide 500
gigabits/second in a 7 MHz channel. Or do I have it wrong?

GG

OT, sort of... News from Oz land
 

"G-squared" wrote in message
ups.com...
David wrote:
snip
March, 2006 "Indoor antennas are the last resort":
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=32846
And, still . . . . no public over-the air HDTV broadcasting in England.
It's coming soon.

Hold the phone here. Isn't Australia COFDM? I thought that system could
cover the whole planet with a 10 watt transmitter and provide 500
gigabits/second in a 7 MHz channel. Or do I have it wrong?

GG


I know, I'm surprised too! ;-)
These fine countries seem to have anything BUT
a "plug and play" DTV broadcasting system.

My goodness . . . I'm shocked . . .

"Freeview [England COFDM] reception - all about aerials": [Dec. 2005]

http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?s...&sid=2&subid=0

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, David wrote:
These fine countries seem to have anything BUT
a "plug and play" DTV broadcasting system.

The same is the case in Japan. DTV is just starting to get off the ground
in Japan, and sales of the one-seg DTV cell phones have been somewhat
underwhelming. Of course, Japan has excellent analog HDTV, which tends to
knock the wind out of the sails of the nascent DTV (which is only
available in a limited area in a few cities).

The USA made the correct choice going with 8-VSB. The USA is still the
only nation in the world with widely deployed nationwide digital
over-the-air HDTV.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

OT, sort of... News from Oz land
 

In article ,
Mark Crispin wrote:

The USA made the correct choice going with 8-VSB. The USA is still the
only nation in the world with widely deployed nationwide digital
over-the-air HDTV.

And just to make sure it doesn't get overlooked, that's ***HD*** TV.

Other nations may have widely deployed digital TV, but it's not HD, and
won't be any time soon.

OT, sort of... News from Oz land
 

Mark Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, David wrote:

These fine countries seem to have anything BUT
a "plug and play" DTV broadcasting system.


The same is the case in Japan. DTV is just starting to get off the
ground in Japan, and sales of the one-seg DTV cell phones have been
somewhat underwhelming. Of course, Japan has excellent analog HDTV,
which tends to knock the wind out of the sails of the nascent DTV (which
is only available in a limited area in a few cities).

The USA made the correct choice going with 8-VSB. The USA is still the
only nation in the world with widely deployed nationwide digital
over-the-air HDTV.

-- Mark --

For real world information on what is happening in Japan with digital TV
read here.

http://www.dibeg.org/news/news-5/news-e5.htm#dn065e

The Japanese are able to buy HDTV sets with OTA digital receivers or
without. They are not mandated like children to buy such receivers like
in the US. They have bought over 13 million of them just since December
2003 when they commenced HDTV broadcasting in Japan.

In the US the FCC relies on the ignorance of the public about what
constitutes a TV set as apposed to a monitor. Most Americans only need a
monitor since they are connecting their new HDTV to cable or satellite.
But is the FCC and Congress doing anything to explain this? On the
contrary they are hoping that most Americans will buy the mandated
receivers in so called TV sets out of ignorance.

A TV set that has two receivers that will be of no use to most after the
transition. One analog and one digital receiver per "TV set".

Why? Well I suppose to make good on political deals hatched in back
rooms that pay off for bribes delivered.

Surely not to do the right thing for the public they serve.

And by the way Brazil just chose the Japanese COFDM modulation, ISDB-T,
after extensive testing and evaluation of 8-VSB and its "fixes"
presented to them at the cost to US tax payers of millions over the last
eight years.

Bob Miller

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Bruce Tomlin wrote:
In article ,
Mark Crispin wrote:


The USA made the correct choice going with 8-VSB. The USA is still the
only nation in the world with widely deployed nationwide digital
over-the-air HDTV.


And just to make sure it doesn't get overlooked, that's ***HD*** TV.

Other nations may have widely deployed digital TV, but it's not HD, and
won't be any time soon.

Other nations have widely deployed HDTV OVER THE AIR using COFDM
modulations including Japan and Australia. Most of the population of
these two countries is covered by HDTV OTA now. In both countries the
sale of digital receivers is free not mandated and much higher than in
the US. In the US a high percentage of those who have purchased an HDTV
set are not even connected to OTA or ANY HD service. They are in many
cases ignorant of what they are even watching.

The fact that the US has wide HDTV broadcast has more to do with the FCC
threat of license loss and with license loss the right of must carry on
cable loss. Most broadcasters in the US would not be on the air with DTV
let alone HDTV if it was not for this fact.

And having a wide spread HDTV broadcast in the US means nothing since
very few people are watching HDTV over the air in the US.

It is far more impressive to me that in a country like Japan where they
only started HDTV OTA in December of 2003 they already have over 13
million OTA receivers sold even though they do not have the same high
coverage yet that the US does.

13 million FREELY purchased receivers in Japan would be like 39 million
receivers in the US. And we have been at it since 1998, or almost nine
years, three times as long as Japan.

How many OTA receivers of any kind have been FREELY purchased in the US
in those nine years? The number would be would be embarrassing as the
CEA knows since they have always hidden or falsified the figures.

Bob Miller

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"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
Bruce Tomlin wrote:
In article ,
Mark Crispin wrote:


The USA made the correct choice going with 8-VSB. The USA is still the
only nation in the world with widely deployed nationwide digital
over-the-air HDTV.


And just to make sure it doesn't get overlooked, that's ***HD*** TV.

Other nations may have widely deployed digital TV, but it's not HD, and
won't be any time soon.

Other nations have widely deployed HDTV OVER THE AIR using COFDM
modulations including Japan and Australia. Most of the population of these
two countries is covered by HDTV OTA now. In both countries the sale of
digital receivers is free not mandated and much higher than in the US. In
the US a high percentage of those who have purchased an HDTV set are not
even connected to OTA or ANY HD service. They are in many cases ignorant
of what they are even watching.

The fact that the US has wide HDTV broadcast has more to do with the FCC
threat of license loss and with license loss the right of must carry on
cable loss. Most broadcasters in the US would not be on the air with DTV
let alone HDTV if it was not for this fact.

And having a wide spread HDTV broadcast in the US means nothing since very
few people are watching HDTV over the air in the US.

It is far more impressive to me that in a country like Japan where they
only started HDTV OTA in December of 2003 they already have over 13
million OTA receivers sold even though they do not have the same high
coverage yet that the US does.

13 million FREELY purchased receivers in Japan would be like 39 million
receivers in the US. And we have been at it since 1998, or almost nine
years, three times as long as Japan.

How many OTA receivers of any kind have been FREELY purchased in the US in
those nine years? The number would be would be embarrassing as the CEA
knows since they have always hidden or falsified the figures.

Bob Miller


These sound like the same old distortions and lies you've been posting here
for years. Can't you come up with any more interesting ones?

Datacasting Dorks
 

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
Bruce Tomlin wrote:
In article ,
Mark Crispin wrote:
The USA made the correct choice going with 8-VSB. The USA is still the
only nation in the world with widely deployed nationwide digital
over-the-air HDTV.
And just to make sure it doesn't get overlooked, that's ***HD*** TV.
Other nations may have widely deployed digital TV, but it's not HD, and
won't be any time soon.

Other nations have widely deployed HDTV OVER THE AIR using COFDM
modulations including Japan and Australia. Most of the population of these
two countries is covered by HDTV OTA now. In both countries the sale of
digital receivers is free not mandated and much higher than in the US. In
the US a high percentage of those who have purchased an HDTV set are not
even connected to OTA or ANY HD service. They are in many cases ignorant
of what they are even watching.

The fact that the US has wide HDTV broadcast has more to do with the FCC
threat of license loss and with license loss the right of must carry on
cable loss. Most broadcasters in the US would not be on the air with DTV
let alone HDTV if it was not for this fact.

And having a wide spread HDTV broadcast in the US means nothing since very
few people are watching HDTV over the air in the US.

It is far more impressive to me that in a country like Japan where they
only started HDTV OTA in December of 2003 they already have over 13
million OTA receivers sold even though they do not have the same high
coverage yet that the US does.

13 million FREELY purchased receivers in Japan would be like 39 million
receivers in the US. And we have been at it since 1998, or almost nine
years, three times as long as Japan.

How many OTA receivers of any kind have been FREELY purchased in the US in
those nine years? The number would be would be embarrassing as the CEA
knows since they have always hidden or falsified the figures.

Bob Miller

If the exploitive, dollar-chasing datacasting dorks like bob [and Sinclair]
had had their way with our digital television spectrum, we would now very
likely have no HDTV over-the-air whatsoever.

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Bob Miller wrote:
snip

And by the way Brazil just chose the Japanese COFDM modulation,
ISDB-T,
after extensive testing and evaluation of 8-VSB and its "fixes"
presented to them at the cost to US tax payers of millions over the
last
eight years.

Bob Miller

Whoop-de-do about Brazil. These are the same technical wizards that
brought us PAL-M which manages to combine the worst aspects of PAL and
NTSC. Who cares?

GG