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DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? -- Bill R. Remove nospam_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail |
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"Bill R" wrote in message
... EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? -- Don't really care since I don't know what it would mean. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
"Bill R" wrote in message ... EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? -- " Such a merger would raise significant antitrust hurdles " That must be the understatement of the decade, so far. In the food world, the equivalent would be McDonald's buys: (Burger King, Pizza Hut, KFC, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box, A&W, Long John Silver's, Hardee's and Carl's Jr) -Dave |
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"Gary H" wrote in message . com... "Bill R" wrote in message ... EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? -- Don't really care since I don't know what it would mean. OK, I'll simplify it. The average dbs bill would increase from ~50 to ~100 per month. I used to be a Dish customer. I'm currently a DirecTV customer. Neither service is better or worse, so choose based on who offers the best deal on the programming you want to watch. Right NOW, it's possible to get dbs service for a reasonable price. After the merger, dbs prices would rise considerably. Right now, the dbs services are competing against each other and cable. If they weren't competing against each other, there would be no incentive to keep prices low, as most cable prices are considerably higher, for similar programming. That is, after the merger, they would still be "competitive", even if the basic package prices increased almost 100%. And you can bet that they will. -Dave |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
It's speculation to raise there stock prices and sell them...
Basicly it won't happen and this is just a rumor... I want to see facts, not speculations... |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
G wrote:
It's speculation to raise there stock prices and sell them... Basicly it won't happen and this is just a rumor... I want to see facts, not speculations... I don't think that it was done to raise stock prices or I would not have posted it. By the way, if you read any of the Satellite forums you will see that this is being discussed on all of them. There may be something to it. The satellite companies HAVE to do something within the next few years or they are dead. And as far as cross posting (if that is a complaint) I thought that it would be an interesting discussion for both DISH and DirecTV customers. Its summer and these newsgroups are getting few posts. I though that this would liven things up a bit. -- Bill R. Remove nospam_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:19:19 -0400, "Mike T." wrote:
"Gary H" wrote in message .com... "Bill R" wrote in message ... EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? -- Don't really care since I don't know what it would mean. OK, I'll simplify it. The average dbs bill would increase from ~50 to ~100 per month. I used to be a Dish customer. I'm currently a DirecTV customer. Neither service is better or worse, so choose based on who offers the best deal on the programming you want to watch. Right NOW, it's possible to get dbs service for a reasonable price. After the merger, dbs prices would rise considerably. Right now, the dbs services are competing against each other and cable. If they weren't competing against each other, there would be no incentive to keep prices low, as most cable prices are considerably higher, for similar programming. That is, after the merger, they would still be "competitive", even if the basic package prices increased almost 100%. And you can bet that they will. -Dave That (price increases) may be the only significant effect on customers. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
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"Gary H" wrote: "Bill R" wrote in message ... EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? -- Don't really care since I don't know what it would mean. Big price increases ==IF == it ever happened. |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:48:32 -0400, Bill R
wrote: EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? Didn't DISH try to buy DirectTV a couple of years ago and was shot down as being anticompetitive? I certainly expect to see the same ruling the other way too. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
I don't think that it was done to raise stock prices or I would not have
posted it. By the way, if you read any of the Satellite forums you will see that this is being discussed on all of them. There may be something to it. The satellite companies HAVE to do something within the next few years or they are dead. Why do you say that? Cable is a long way (decades, minimum) from even trying to kill dbs. So what is on the horizon that is the supposed dbs killer, if the companies don't do something? -Dave |
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Mike T. wrote: OK, I'll simplify it. The average dbs bill would increase from ~50 to ~100 per month. Bull**** scare tactics. The average bill wouldn't be anywhere near $100. Those people will just go to cable. Here a similar cable package is within $5 of what I pay now. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
Mike T. wrote:
I don't think that it was done to raise stock prices or I would not have posted it. By the way, if you read any of the Satellite forums you will see that this is being discussed on all of them. There may be something to it. The satellite companies HAVE to do something within the next few years or they are dead. Why do you say that? Cable is a long way (decades, minimum) from even trying to kill dbs. So what is on the horizon that is the supposed dbs killer, if the companies don't do something? -Dave It is not cable (at least in the near future) that the satellite companies are worried about. It is the phone companies. In a lot of areas they are wiring (or planning to wire) the neighborhoods with fiber so they can offer video services. The roll out has started in some areas and where it is offered the prices are always cheaper than cable or satellite and the services (like FiOS) can offer more channels than cable or satellite. The cable companies are VERY concerned about services like FiOS because the telcos have VERY deep pockets and can afford to offer deep discounts to attract their customers. -- Bill R. Remove nospam_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
To me, the most interesting thing about this thread is that I cannot
access the referenced Denver Post story on my Dell PC which uses Internet Ecplorer. But on my Mac using Safari--there it is! |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
In alt.dbs.directv Bill R wrote:
EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? At this point in time, I think it will be a good thing IF and only IF they reallocate bandwidth and force everybody over to new hardware. Failing to do this will mean they are remaining redundant and thus, they are simply reducing competition. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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Little Sir Echo wrote:
To me, the most interesting thing about this thread is that I cannot access the referenced Denver Post story on my Dell PC which uses Internet Ecplorer. But on my Mac using Safari--there it is! For those that can't access the Denver Post link here are a couple mo http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...851243,00.html http://www.multichannel.com/article/...=Breaking+News -- Bill R. Remove nospam_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
In alt.dbs.directv Little Sir Echo wrote:
To me, the most interesting thing about this thread is that I cannot access the referenced Denver Post story on my Dell PC which uses Internet Ecplorer. But on my Mac using Safari--there it is! Sounds like a local issue to me. I am able to view it with both Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
In alt.dbs.directv Mike T. wrote:
I don't think that it was done to raise stock prices or I would not have posted it. By the way, if you read any of the Satellite forums you will see that this is being discussed on all of them. There may be something to it. The satellite companies HAVE to do something within the next few years or they are dead. Why do you say that? Cable is a long way (decades, minimum) from even trying to kill dbs. So what is on the horizon that is the supposed dbs killer, if the companies don't do something? -Dave How can you say that? For the most part, DBS is only a single decade old. It could just as easily die in the same period of time. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
In alt.dbs.directv Bill R wrote:
It is not cable (at least in the near future) that the satellite companies are worried about. It is the phone companies. In a lot of areas they are wiring (or planning to wire) the neighborhoods with fiber so they can offer video services. The roll out has started in some areas and where it is offered the prices are always cheaper than cable or satellite and the services (like FiOS) can offer more channels than cable or satellite. The cable companies are VERY concerned about services like FiOS because the telcos have VERY deep pockets and can afford to offer deep discounts to attract their customers. A couple of Telcos have deep pockets, like Verizon does. However, telcos like Qwest have shallow pockets and extremely deep debt. $15.4 BILLION and with a market capitalization of only $14.38 BILLION ... it is worth less than its debt! Considering that the company is not even profitable, I have my doubts that it is a serious competitor to anybody. Comcast is stealing their remaining thunder. The fastest DSL they can offer the vast majority of its customers is 1.5Mbps down and 768Kbps up ... and that is the customers that can even get DSL on their old decrepit lines in Minnesota. Their previous CEO raided the company coffers and lives in luxury on it. I think several other baby bells are in the same boat. I continue to have hope that they might compete, so I am back to keeping my foot in the door and rating telephone services [so I can check qualifications on future DSL offerings], but I am not holding my breath currently. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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In alt.dbs.directv George Max wrote:
Didn't DISH try to buy DirectTV a couple of years ago and was shot down as being anticompetitive? I certainly expect to see the same ruling the other way too. Circumstances have changed considerably. Their competitors are offering bundled services that the DBS providers can not currently compete with due to fact that they are so resource poor [said bandwidth poor]. High definition television is an area they can compete in the short term, but over time, the resources are already saturated and their is no room for growth, which is required to continue to compete. High speed internet and telephone are not viable options for the DBS operators unless they deal with a third party (say Covad as an ILEC and use VoIP like Vonage), but the third parties can't not compete either. The DBS operators need to be able to offer something that the cable companies can't and I think their only hope lies with consolidating resources to better secure low price programming and to use the resulting bandwidth returned via consolidation will allow them to use their creativity to offer or enhance their products. I do not believe they can do this separately without addition bandwidth resources. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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OK, I'll simplify it. The average dbs bill would increase from ~50 to ~100 per month. Bull**** scare tactics. The average bill wouldn't be anywhere near $100. Those people will just go to cable. Here a similar cable package is within $5 of what I pay now. It is if you stick to the analog tier, which is quickly being phased out by the cable companies. Where we live now, I could get analog cable service with MOST of the channels I get through DirecTV, and that cable service would be about $5 more per month. If I wanted the same channels in digital (soon that will be all that is available), the cost is about twice that. Oh, and the cable companies don't like to advertise that not all channels are digital in the digital packages. So essentially, the "digital" package just doubles the cost for the same channels, some of which are igital. -Dave |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
How can you say that? For the most part, DBS is only a single decade old.
It could just as easily die in the same period of time. That's about as likely as all the cable companies going out of business in the same time period. -Dave |
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"George Max" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:48:32 -0400, Bill R wrote: EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441 How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this? Didn't DISH try to buy DirectTV a couple of years ago and was shot down as being anticompetitive? I certainly expect to see the same ruling the other way too. Did you read the article? The event proposed in 2002 was a MERGER, not a purchase. Note that News Corp now owns 38% of DirecTV. From the Denver Post article... "In 2002, Ergen attempted a merger with DirecTV, then controlled by Hughes Electronics. That attempt faltered after it failed to pass antitrust review by the Federal Communications Commission. Murdoch's News Corp. eventually acquired control of DirecTV." I don't know what percent of EchoStar is owned by Charlie Ergen, perhaps this ownership share is what is being offered to DirecTV. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
It is not cable (at least in the near future) that the satellite companies are worried about. It is the phone companies. In a lot of areas they are wiring (or planning to wire) the neighborhoods with fiber so they can offer video services. The roll out has started in some areas and where it is offered the prices are always cheaper than cable or satellite and the services (like FiOS) can offer more channels than cable or satellite. I'll believe it when I see it. I see this fios deal as certain phone companies being very desperate to branch out into other areas. Cellular and VOIP have all but doomed the POTS service to extinction, so drastic measures (like FIOS) are in order. Heck, some new houses are even being built without POTS lines. That is, the owners are specifying the cabling installed before the drywall is completed, and specifying that *no* land-line phone service be installed. (but gobs of cat6 and rg6 lines, is becoming quite common) So the phone company pool of potential customers is dwindling even as they are trying to roll out fios. I think at best services like fios might take 2 or 3 percent of total (cable PLUS dbs) customers someday, far in the future. -Dave |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:30:21 -0400, Mike T. wrote:
That is, the owners are specifying the cabling installed before the drywall is completed, and specifying that *no* land-line phone service be installed. (but gobs of cat6 and rg6 lines, is becoming quite common) So the phone company pool of potential customers is dwindling even as they are trying to roll out fios. I think at best services like fios might take 2 or 3 percent of total (cable PLUS dbs) customers someday, far in the future. -Dave Just so I understand your point correctly, are you implying that FiOS requires POTS cabling? Otherwise, why would Verizon's pool of potential FiOS customers be dwindling? -- cc A current Dish and FiOS Internet Customer eagerly awaiting FiOS TV |
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In alt.dbs.directv Mike T. wrote:
It is if you stick to the analog tier, which is quickly being phased out by the cable companies. Where we live now, I could get analog cable service with MOST of the channels I get through DirecTV, and that cable service would be about $5 more per month. If I wanted the same channels in digital (soon that will be all that is available), the cost is about twice that. Oh, and the cable companies don't like to advertise that not all channels are digital in the digital packages. So essentially, the "digital" package just doubles the cost for the same channels, some of which are igital. -Dave In some areas, with the correct equipment, ALL channels are digital. Case in point is the Minneapolis area (north suburbs based out of Ham Lake and Roseville) get the digital overlay of the analog channels if they use the DVR 3412. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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Mike T. wrote:
Oh, and the cable companies don't like to advertise that not all channels are digital in the digital packages. That is a bad thing? |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
In alt.dbs.directv Mike T. wrote:
That's about as likely as all the cable companies going out of business in the same time period. -Dave Actually, I don't rule the possibility out at all. If the business model they run under proves to be too limitted [i.e. the average customer wants television, phone and internet on the same bill] then the customers will move away and the campanies will fold. If telcos do deploy high bandwidth lines to homes so that they can offer their own video offerings, then it seems that the only chance DBS will have to remain competitive will be to beat the pricing that their terrestial counterparts offer and to do it without churn. The current cable companies offer quite a deal on bundling, and, and frankly, if all else is equal and cable doesn't go out in bad weather [we get a lot in MN .... rain and significant snow], then there is a distinct advantage right there. In all honestly, I will leave Dish when my contract is up IF Comcast offers a stable and functional DVR (with Tivo would be fabulous!) and stable set top boxes. The lack of these are what drove me away from cable for TV and QWest just offered me a deal I couldn't pass up or I would still be with Comcast for phone. If QWest doesn't get their ass out of the grinder and starting offering real highspeed internet rather than their marginal speed internet offering they currently deploy [for most areas .. .very few qualify for the 7M/896K service], I will again bundle with Comcast should all the ducks align [and rest assured, they will align]. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
In alt.dbs.directv Little Sir Echo wrote: To me, the most interesting thing about this thread is that I cannot access the referenced Denver Post story on my Dell PC which uses Internet Ecplorer. But on my Mac using Safari--there it is! Sounds like a local issue to me. I am able to view it with both Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox. The web server for denverpost.com is (was?) having intermittent issues. I couldn't read the article earlier (and got some ISAPI Error 1 just trying to reach the homepage). Just trying the URL again MAY be all that is needed. May depend on what Cookies may have been set previously. Or, if IE is still configured to use the Automatically (or Never) radio button under "Check for newer versions of stored pages", you could be stuck with the original problem. -- Bill Henley |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
I'll believe it when I see it. I see this fios deal as certain phone
companies being very desperate to branch out into other areas. Cellular and VOIP have all but doomed the POTS service to extinction, so drastic measures (like FIOS) are in order. Heck, some new houses are even being built without POTS lines. That is, the owners are specifying the cabling installed before the drywall is completed, and specifying that *no* land-line phone service be installed. (but gobs of cat6 and rg6 lines, is becoming quite common) The gobs of cat5 are also being used for POTS. Builders are installing cat5 all over the house. It's flexible in that it can be used for POTS lines and home networking. If you want to change one location from network to phone all you need to do is reconfigure the wall jack. And it can easily be changed back. I don't think the fact a lot of cat5 is being used in new construction is a signal POTS is going away. It's more a sign builders are being flexible and forward thinking. And it's easier for them to install one type of cable rather than two. |
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In alt.dbs.directv Bill Henley wrote:
The web server for denverpost.com is (was?) having intermittent issues. I couldn't read the article earlier (and got some ISAPI Error 1 just trying to reach the homepage). Just trying the URL again MAY be all that is needed. May depend on what Cookies may have been set previously. Or, if IE is still configured to use the Automatically (or Never) radio button under "Check for newer versions of stored pages", you could be stuck with the original problem. And IE does cache very agressively ... too much so. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:10:00 -0700, UCLAN wrote:
Mike T. wrote: Oh, and the cable companies don't like to advertise that not all channels are digital in the digital packages. That is a bad thing? It's good when you have more receiving devices (TVs, VCRs. etc) than receivers for digital cable (or satellite). -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
In alt.dbs.directv Bob wrote:
The gobs of cat5 are also being used for POTS. Builders are installing cat5 all over the house. It's flexible in that it can be used for POTS lines and home networking. If you want to change one location from network to phone all you need to do is reconfigure the wall jack. And it can easily be changed back. Bummer, they should be installing CAT6. Hope they use conduit or all these houses are going to lots of copper to recycle over the years and no way to get to it. I don't think the fact a lot of cat5 is being used in new construction is a signal POTS is going away. It's more a sign builders are being flexible and forward thinking. And it's easier for them to install one type of cable rather than two. Most CAT 5 installation is done by the homeowner. As the builder finishes a a portion of the work, they allow you to come in and do this sort of installation. I was going to help a friend of mine do this, but he backed out at the last second when he decided that technology was going to change and it would be a waste to install it ... he now uses wireless. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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On 18-Jul-2006, Bill Henley wrote: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: In alt.dbs.directv Little Sir Echo wrote: To me, the most interesting thing about this thread is that I cannot access the referenced Denver Post story on my Dell PC which uses Internet Ecplorer. But on my Mac using Safari--there it is! Sounds like a local issue to me. I am able to view it with both Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox. The web server for denverpost.com is (was?) having intermittent issues. I couldn't read the article earlier (and got some ISAPI Error 1 just trying to reach the homepage). Just trying the URL again MAY be all that is needed. May depend on what Cookies may have been setpreviously. Or, if IE is still configured to use the Automatically (or Never) radio button under "Check for newer versions of stored pages", you could be stuck with the original problem. Actually, what happened was that SpyBot blocked a popup attempt by Double Click and that ended everything. So I deleted parts of the URL a step at a time and always got the same result. I tried all this several times before switching to my Mac and Safari. But now everything is back to normal (apparently) and I can access the Denver Post with IE on the Dell PC Maybe the reason has something to do with the fact that I never see Double Click or other spyware on my Mac. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
"Bill R" wrote in message ... Mike T. wrote: I don't think that it was done to raise stock prices or I would not have posted it. By the way, if you read any of the Satellite forums you will see that this is being discussed on all of them. There may be something to it. The satellite companies HAVE to do something within the next few years or they are dead. Why do you say that? Cable is a long way (decades, minimum) from even trying to kill dbs. So what is on the horizon that is the supposed dbs killer, if the companies don't do something? -Dave It is not cable (at least in the near future) that the satellite companies are worried about. It is the phone companies. In a lot of areas they are wiring (or planning to wire) the neighborhoods with fiber so they can offer video services. The roll out has started in some areas and where it is offered the prices are always cheaper than cable or satellite and the services (like FiOS) can offer more channels than cable or satellite. The cable companies are VERY concerned about services like FiOS because the telcos have VERY deep pockets and can afford to offer deep discounts to attract their customers. -- Bill R. Remove nospam_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail I have Directv and I also have FIOS. If Verizon offers a good package for a better price I have no problem switching (even if I have to pay a fee to DTV to get out of contract). I really haven't had any problems (except I don't like the service my mother is getting from DTV), but the bottome line is always the price. $$$ Talks! :) |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
"Bob" wrote in message
.com... I'll believe it when I see it. I see this fios deal as certain phone companies being very desperate to branch out into other areas. Cellular and VOIP have all but doomed the POTS service to extinction, so drastic measures (like FIOS) are in order. Heck, some new houses are even being built without POTS lines. That is, the owners are specifying the cabling installed before the drywall is completed, and specifying that *no* land-line phone service be installed. (but gobs of cat6 and rg6 lines, is becoming quite common) The gobs of cat5 are also being used for POTS. Builders are installing cat5 all over the house. It's flexible in that it can be used for POTS lines and home networking. If you want to change one location from network to phone all you need to do is reconfigure the wall jack. And it can easily be changed back. I don't think the fact a lot of cat5 is being used in new construction is a signal POTS is going away. It's more a sign builders are being flexible and forward thinking. And it's easier for them to install one type of cable rather than two. All my "phone lines" are CAT5 All wired to basement where Electric and Fios and Cable (Satelite) comes into house. I can easily create a hub in seconds that branches to every room with a phone jack. My house is 2.5yrs old. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
"Zymergy" wrote in message ... "Bob" wrote in message .com... I'll believe it when I see it. I see this fios deal as certain phone companies being very desperate to branch out into other areas. Cellular and VOIP have all but doomed the POTS service to extinction, so drastic measures (like FIOS) are in order. Heck, some new houses are even being built without POTS lines. That is, the owners are specifying the cabling installed before the drywall is completed, and specifying that *no* land-line phone service be installed. (but gobs of cat6 and rg6 lines, is becoming quite common) The gobs of cat5 are also being used for POTS. Builders are installing cat5 all over the house. It's flexible in that it can be used for POTS lines and home networking. If you want to change one location from network to phone all you need to do is reconfigure the wall jack. And it can easily be changed back. I don't think the fact a lot of cat5 is being used in new construction is a signal POTS is going away. It's more a sign builders are being flexible and forward thinking. And it's easier for them to install one type of cable rather than two. All my "phone lines" are CAT5 All wired to basement where Electric and Fios and Cable (Satelite) comes into house. I can easily create a hub in seconds that branches to every room with a phone jack. My house is 2.5yrs old. A p.s. to above. If you build a new house make sure you ask them to run electric wires seperate from Audio/Video cables. I know not everyone is well educated but damn. I had to make DTV guy pull 50ft of wire he ran because he ran it with all the electric wires. And he looked at me like I was crazy. I don't care how insulated it is I don't want it run that way. They used cheap r6 wire to begin with. Hell I broke a line just putting a new fitting on the end. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message ... In alt.dbs.directv Mike T. wrote: That's about as likely as all the cable companies going out of business in the same time period. -Dave Actually, I don't rule the possibility out at all. If the business model they run under proves to be too limitted [i.e. the average customer wants television, phone and internet on the same bill] then the customers will move away and the campanies will fold. If telcos do deploy high bandwidth lines to homes so that they can offer their own video offerings, then it seems that the only chance DBS will have to remain competitive will be to beat the pricing that their terrestial counterparts offer and to do it without churn. The current cable companies offer quite a deal on bundling, and, and frankly, if all else is equal and cable doesn't go out in bad weather [we get a lot in MN ... rain and significant snow], then there is a distinct advantage right there. In all honestly, I will leave Dish when my contract is up IF Comcast offers a stable and functional DVR (with Tivo would be fabulous!) and stable set top boxes. The lack of these are what drove me away from cable for TV and QWest just offered me a deal I couldn't pass up or I would still be with Comcast for phone. If QWest doesn't get their ass out of the grinder and starting offering real highspeed internet rather than their marginal speed internet offering they currently deploy [for most areas .. .very few qualify for the 7M/896K service], I will again bundle with Comcast should all the ducks align [and rest assured, they will align]. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 I would hate to reward Comcrap after all those years they and their predecessors couldn't get me a decent picture over their cheap, pos lines. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
"UCLAN" wrote in message news:[email protected] Mike T. wrote: Oh, and the cable companies don't like to advertise that not all channels are digital in the digital packages. That is a bad thing? No, until you consider that "digital" is twice the cost, and not really "digital". So what are you paying for, exactly? -Dave |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
Most CAT 5 installation is done by the homeowner. As the builder finishes a a portion of the work, they allow you to come in and do this sort of installation. I was going to help a friend of mine do this, but he backed out at the last second when he decided that technology was going to change and it would be a waste to install it ... he now uses wireless. Doesn't work that way here in Chicago. You can't do any of your own work during the construction. The builder installs it all, pre-drywall. And makes a nice profit on it too. It's not in conduit. Although they did install PVC chases in my house between the floors from the basement up to allow for easier cabling after the fact if I want to add more later. |
DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
Just so I understand your point correctly, are you implying that FiOS
requires POTS cabling? Otherwise, why would Verizon's pool of potential FiOS customers be dwindling? Of course not, it requires fiber. My point was, many house builders are already considering the telephone company to be a quaint leftover from decades ago, and no longer necessary, so they aren't building in support for phone services when they build. -Dave |
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