DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message
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In alt.dbs.echostar Bob wrote:
finished behind him. I believe it required inspection like all other
wiring,
but beyond that, it is possible.

Wouldn't work that way today.


Why? Because your builder did it for you or because you know of some
requirement by the local government or state government banning it? I
suspect
the former in all honesty.

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They are considering regulating the type of cooking oil establishments use
in Chicago, no doubt they are already all over this do-it-yourself stuff.

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message
...
In alt.dbs.echostar Bob wrote:
finished behind him. I believe it required inspection like all other
wiring,
but beyond that, it is possible.

Wouldn't work that way today.


Why? Because your builder did it for you or because you know of some
requirement by the local government or state government banning it? I
suspect
the former in all honesty.

It is the former, but not because he did it for me. Because he made a lot of
money doing it for me.

He charged $150-200 per cable pull. If I didn't pay him to do it there
wouldn't have been any cabling done pre-drywall. It was $450 to pull three
cables to the same location. Do that for 10-12 locations and it's a tidy
sum.

Locally, builders won't allow anyone access to the construction site except
their authorized trades people. I imagine the trades won't allow non-union
people to pull cable either. And I'd bet there are insurance restrictions
too.

It's an industry standard/practice.

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

They are considering regulating the type of cooking oil establishments use
in Chicago, no doubt they are already all over this do-it-yourself stuff.

You should see the hoops you've got to jump through to get a permit to build
a deck.

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
 

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:49:59 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
wrote:

In alt.dbs.directv Mike T. wrote:

No, until you consider that "digital" is twice the cost, and not really
"digital". So what are you paying for, exactly? -Dave


The digital tier is indeed all digital.

Although not with any improved quality for everything, since much of
the material will have been in analog (really something like NTSC)
form at one time.

It is on top of the analog tier which
can be purchased without the digital tier.

BTW ... Comcast is offering 100% digital television now in select markets.
They do this as a digital overlay, and it requires the correct equipment to
view it. I had the Motorola 3412 DVR (which sucked by the way), and it was a
digital only receiver that utilized the digital overlay rather than the analog
channels of traditional origin.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
 

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:05:39 -0400, "Zymergy"
wrote:


"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message
m...
In alt.dbs.directv George Max wrote:

Didn't DISH try to buy DirectTV a couple of years ago and was shot
down as being anticompetitive? I certainly expect to see the same
ruling the other way too.


Circumstances have changed considerably. Their competitors are offering
bundled services that the DBS providers can not currently compete with due
to
fact that they are so resource poor [said bandwidth poor]. High
definition
television is an area they can compete in the short term, but over time,
the
resources are already saturated and their is no room for growth, which is
required to continue to compete. High speed internet and telephone are
not
viable options for the DBS operators unless they deal with a third party
(say
Covad as an ILEC and use VoIP like Vonage), but the third parties can't
not
compete either. The DBS operators need to be able to offer something that
the
cable companies can't and I think their only hope lies with consolidating
resources to better secure low price programming and to use the resulting
bandwidth returned via consolidation will allow them to use their
creativity
to offer or enhance their products. I do not believe they can do this
separately without addition bandwidth resources.

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What they need to do is offer Digital and HDTV channels cheaper than
competitors. I do care if I'm paying $70 for a package when I can get the
same for $50 from another supplier. If FIOS-TV comes in cheaper, but only
have 5 HDTV channels I won't be switching unless they come up with some
really creative pricing schemes.


Hopefully avoiding the requirement to pay for the worst channels, in
order to get the best ones (as in packages).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
 

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:00:47 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
wrote:

In alt.dbs.directv Zymergy wrote:

What they need to do is offer Digital and HDTV channels cheaper than
competitors. I do care if I'm paying $70 for a package when I can get the
same for $50 from another supplier. If FIOS-TV comes in cheaper, but only
have 5 HDTV channels I won't be switching unless they come up with some
really creative pricing schemes.


What is helping DBS operators right now is that the HD programming is limitted
to begin with; there are only a handful of channels worth watching on any
regular basis. Once that list grows, only those with bandwidth resources will
be able to offer all that is available and those without will be left in the
dust. To rise to the competition, DBS operators need bandwidth resources, and
eliminating all of the redundancy between competing DBS operators will free up
significant bandwidth. This means combining forces AND moving ahead and not
supporting legacy services OR it means that additional spectrum be made
available to them.

Is there is a list of HD channels (HBO, Showtime, etc..) available
somewhere (NOT just what a particular provider carries)?
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:28:28 -0400, Cold Coffee
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:15:46 -0400, Mike T. wrote:

There's a pretty direct connection. If the house is wired for service of
any kind from the phone company, then they (the phone company) have their
foot in the door. If there's no "phone" service in the building, you might
not think to call the phone company when you are shopping for television
programming.

I disagree.

For now, Verizon's direct marketing strategy seems to be: After Verizon
completes the fiber network wiring and testing in a neighborhood, direct
mailings go out to all addresses within that install area and door tags are
hung on each door.

Additionally, UPS envelopes (yes, that little brown truck) are then sent as
a follow-up announcing the availability of Internet and (in those areas
where the video franchise has been approved) TV services.

As far as the install goes, no preexisting wiring is needed or required.
At day of install, fiber is run to the house, an optical network terminal
is installed, and cat 5 is run to the computer and (presumably) all TV
locations. Verizon also tosses in a free wireless router for the computer.
My install took two techs almost an entire day.


And what if you ALREADY have a network for computers, and cables going
to a central location for TV. Do they just connect to that, or what?

It is absolutely mind blowing how much money Verizon is spending on the
installation and marketing of FiOS.

Oh, and the product itself, be it Internet access or TV, is superior to
and priced at or even below its competitors.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
 

"Bill R" wrote:

How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this?

Badly, of course.

Consumers usually suffer when competitive choices shrink.

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
 

"Bill R" wrote in message
...
EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441

How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this?
--
Bill R.


I currently have DirecTivo and am planning on switching to Dish soon.
If they do merge these things better happen - 1. More program packages than
what DirecTV and Dish have. If they do merge they better have a ton of
program options. 2. Lower price across the board for all packages. I
assume tho they will raise prices (what other satellite alternative would
there be if they merged? If you want satellite TV your stuck with the new
merges service.) 3. They better carry my locals. Dish currently carries
them but DirecTV does not. I would assume if they did merge the new company
would carry my locals. lol I bet tho if they did merge they wouldn't carry
my locals for one stupid reason or another. lol

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?
 

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:17:18 GMT, "Von Fourche"
wrote:


"Bill R" wrote in message
...
EchoStar buyout weighed -- DirecTV merger seen
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_4063441

How do you DISH Network and DirecTV subscribers feel about this?
--
Bill R.


I currently have DirecTivo and am planning on switching to Dish soon.
If they do merge these things better happen - 1. More program packages than
what DirecTV and Dish have. If they do merge they better have a ton of
program options. 2. Lower price across the board for all packages. I
assume tho they will raise prices (what other satellite alternative would
there be if they merged? If you want satellite TV your stuck with the new
merges service.) 3. They better carry my locals. Dish currently carries
them but DirecTV does not. I would assume if they did merge the new company
would carry my locals. lol I bet tho if they did merge they wouldn't carry
my locals for one stupid reason or another. lol


There is no local PBS station, and DirecTV says (at least on the
website, customer service is so bad I don't care to get into that
mess) they're not allowed to carry one (since there's no local
station). That must not be true, considering that Dish does, and so
does EVERY nearby cable system I know about.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin