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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:10:00 -0700, UCLAN wrote:

Mike T. wrote:

Oh, and the cable companies don't like to advertise that not all channels
are digital in the digital packages.

That is a bad thing?

It's good when you have more receiving devices (TVs, VCRs. etc) than
receivers for digital cable (or satellite).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

In alt.dbs.directv Bob wrote:

The gobs of cat5 are also being used for POTS. Builders are installing cat5
all over the house. It's flexible in that it can be used for POTS lines and
home networking. If you want to change one location from network to phone
all you need to do is reconfigure the wall jack. And it can easily be
changed back.


Bummer, they should be installing CAT6. Hope they use conduit or all these
houses are going to lots of copper to recycle over the years and no way to get
to it.

I don't think the fact a lot of cat5 is being used in new construction is a
signal POTS is going away. It's more a sign builders are being flexible and
forward thinking. And it's easier for them to install one type of cable
rather than two.


Most CAT 5 installation is done by the homeowner. As the builder finishes a
a portion of the work, they allow you to come in and do this sort of
installation. I was going to help a friend of mine do this, but he backed out
at the last second when he decided that technology was going to change and it
would be a waste to install it ... he now uses wireless.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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On 18-Jul-2006, Bill Henley wrote:

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:

In alt.dbs.directv Little Sir Echo
wrote:
To me, the most interesting thing about this thread is that I
cannot access the referenced Denver Post story on my Dell PC which
uses Internet Ecplorer.

But on my Mac using Safari--there it is!

Sounds like a local issue to me. I am able to view it with both
Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox.


The web server for denverpost.com is (was?) having intermittent
issues.
I couldn't read the article earlier (and got some ISAPI Error 1 just
trying to reach the homepage). Just trying the URL again MAY be all
that is needed. May depend on what Cookies may have been
setpreviously. Or, if IE is still configured to use the Automatically
(or Never) radio button under "Check for newer versions of stored
pages", you could be stuck with the original problem.

Actually, what happened was that SpyBot blocked a popup attempt by
Double Click and that ended everything.

So I deleted parts of the URL a step at a time and always got the same
result.

I tried all this several times before switching to my Mac and Safari.

But now everything is back to normal (apparently) and I can access the
Denver Post with IE on the Dell PC

Maybe the reason has something to do with the fact that I never see
Double Click or other spyware on my Mac.

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"Bill R" wrote in message
...
Mike T. wrote:

I don't think that it was done to raise stock prices or I would not have
posted it. By the way, if you read any of the Satellite forums you will
see that this is being discussed on all of them. There may be something
to it. The satellite companies HAVE to do something within the next few
years or they are dead.


Why do you say that? Cable is a long way (decades, minimum) from even
trying to kill dbs. So what is on the horizon that is the supposed dbs
killer, if the companies don't do something? -Dave

It is not cable (at least in the near future) that the satellite companies
are worried about. It is the phone companies. In a lot of areas they are
wiring (or planning to wire) the neighborhoods with fiber so they can
offer video services. The roll out has started in some areas and where it
is offered the prices are always cheaper than cable or satellite and the
services (like FiOS) can offer more channels than cable or satellite. The
cable companies are VERY concerned about services like FiOS because the
telcos have VERY deep pockets and can afford to offer deep discounts to
attract their customers.
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I have Directv and I also have FIOS. If Verizon offers a good package for a
better price I have no problem switching (even if I have to pay a fee to DTV
to get out of contract). I really haven't had any problems (except I don't
like the service my mother is getting from DTV), but the bottome line is
always the price. $$$ Talks! :)

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

"Bob" wrote in message
.com...
I'll believe it when I see it. I see this fios deal as certain phone
companies being very desperate to branch out into other areas. Cellular
and
VOIP have all but doomed the POTS service to extinction, so drastic
measures
(like FIOS) are in order. Heck, some new houses are even being built
without POTS lines. That is, the owners are specifying the cabling
installed before the drywall is completed, and specifying that *no*
land-line phone service be installed. (but gobs of cat6 and rg6 lines,
is
becoming quite common)

The gobs of cat5 are also being used for POTS. Builders are installing
cat5
all over the house. It's flexible in that it can be used for POTS lines
and
home networking. If you want to change one location from network to phone
all you need to do is reconfigure the wall jack. And it can easily be
changed back.

I don't think the fact a lot of cat5 is being used in new construction is
a
signal POTS is going away. It's more a sign builders are being flexible
and
forward thinking. And it's easier for them to install one type of cable
rather than two.



All my "phone lines" are CAT5 All wired to basement where Electric and Fios
and Cable (Satelite) comes into house. I can easily create a hub in seconds
that branches to every room with a phone jack. My house is 2.5yrs old.

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

"Zymergy" wrote in message
...
"Bob" wrote in message
.com...
I'll believe it when I see it. I see this fios deal as certain phone
companies being very desperate to branch out into other areas. Cellular
and
VOIP have all but doomed the POTS service to extinction, so drastic
measures
(like FIOS) are in order. Heck, some new houses are even being built
without POTS lines. That is, the owners are specifying the cabling
installed before the drywall is completed, and specifying that *no*
land-line phone service be installed. (but gobs of cat6 and rg6 lines,
is
becoming quite common)

The gobs of cat5 are also being used for POTS. Builders are installing
cat5
all over the house. It's flexible in that it can be used for POTS lines
and
home networking. If you want to change one location from network to phone
all you need to do is reconfigure the wall jack. And it can easily be
changed back.

I don't think the fact a lot of cat5 is being used in new construction is
a
signal POTS is going away. It's more a sign builders are being flexible
and
forward thinking. And it's easier for them to install one type of cable
rather than two.



All my "phone lines" are CAT5 All wired to basement where Electric and
Fios and Cable (Satelite) comes into house. I can easily create a hub in
seconds that branches to every room with a phone jack. My house is
2.5yrs old.

A p.s. to above.
If you build a new house make sure you ask them to run electric wires
seperate from Audio/Video cables. I know not everyone is well educated but
damn. I had to make DTV guy pull 50ft of wire he ran because he ran it
with all the electric wires. And he looked at me like I was crazy. I don't
care how insulated it is I don't want it run that way. They used cheap r6
wire to begin with. Hell I broke a line just putting a new fitting on the
end.

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message
...
In alt.dbs.directv Mike T. wrote:

That's about as likely as all the cable companies going out of business
in
the same time period. -Dave


Actually, I don't rule the possibility out at all. If the business model
they
run under proves to be too limitted [i.e. the average customer wants
television, phone and internet on the same bill] then the customers will
move
away and the campanies will fold. If telcos do deploy high bandwidth
lines to
homes so that they can offer their own video offerings, then it seems that
the
only chance DBS will have to remain competitive will be to beat the
pricing
that their terrestial counterparts offer and to do it without churn. The
current cable companies offer quite a deal on bundling, and, and frankly,
if
all else is equal and cable doesn't go out in bad weather [we get a lot in
MN
... rain and significant snow], then there is a distinct advantage right
there.

In all honestly, I will leave Dish when my contract is up IF Comcast
offers a
stable and functional DVR (with Tivo would be fabulous!) and stable set
top
boxes. The lack of these are what drove me away from cable for TV and
QWest
just offered me a deal I couldn't pass up or I would still be with Comcast
for
phone. If QWest doesn't get their ass out of the grinder and starting
offering real highspeed internet rather than their marginal speed internet
offering they currently deploy [for most areas .. .very few qualify for
the
7M/896K service], I will again bundle with Comcast should all the ducks
align
[and rest assured, they will align].

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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I would hate to reward Comcrap after all those years they and their
predecessors couldn't get me a decent picture over their cheap, pos lines.

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"UCLAN" wrote in message
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Mike T. wrote:

Oh, and the cable companies don't like to advertise that not all channels
are digital in the digital packages.

That is a bad thing?

No, until you consider that "digital" is twice the cost, and not really
"digital". So what are you paying for, exactly? -Dave

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

Most CAT 5 installation is done by the homeowner. As the builder finishes
a
a portion of the work, they allow you to come in and do this sort of
installation. I was going to help a friend of mine do this, but he backed
out
at the last second when he decided that technology was going to change and
it
would be a waste to install it ... he now uses wireless.

Doesn't work that way here in Chicago. You can't do any of your own work
during the construction. The builder installs it all, pre-drywall. And makes
a nice profit on it too.

It's not in conduit. Although they did install PVC chases in my house
between the floors from the basement up to allow for easier cabling after
the fact if I want to add more later.

DISH Network/DirecTV Merger?...Crossposter Bill R
 

Just so I understand your point correctly, are you implying that FiOS
requires POTS cabling? Otherwise, why would Verizon's pool of potential
FiOS customers be dwindling?


Of course not, it requires fiber. My point was, many house builders are
already considering the telephone company to be a quaint leftover from
decades ago, and no longer necessary, so they aren't building in support for
phone services when they build. -Dave