Film Four free or not?
 

Adverts say it is free, Sky Digi box says I need a subscription but I
understand an ordinary FTA digi box will get it.
(Freeview box says it is to come.)
What is going on?

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:07:27 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Adverts say it is free, Sky Digi box says I need a subscription but I
understand an ordinary FTA digi box will get it.
(Freeview box says it is to come.)
What is going on?

The advert is pretty clear, from the 23rd, it will be free. It isn't
the 23rd yet, so isn't free now.
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"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:07:27 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Adverts say it is free, Sky Digi box says I need a subscription but I
understand an ordinary FTA digi box will get it.
(Freeview box says it is to come.)
What is going on?

The advert is pretty clear, from the 23rd, it will be free. It isn't
the 23rd yet, so isn't free now.
--

Thanks Andrew.
Film Four is clear on 12480V SR27500 FEC2/3, even a Sky digibox will get
this but one as to Add Channel and use this, rather a messy way to opperate
a Sky box.

By the way your signiture is rather long, does this not breach Usernet
rules?

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:26:32 GMT, "David"
wrote:

By the way your signiture is rather long, does this not breach Usernet
rules?

No, yours does, by 3 (blank) lines.

The rule is up to 4 lines of up to 72 characters.
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"Andrew" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:26:32 GMT, "David"
wrote:

By the way your signiture is rather long, does this not breach Usernet
rules?

No, yours does, by 3 (blank) lines.

The rule is up to 4 lines of up to 72 characters.

I'm Ok then with my 4 lines and half that number of letters.
Should you be reffering to the space between message and signiture this is
automatically put in by my NewsReader along with the --. I believe some
Newsreaders can use this -- for some purpose.

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:29:34 GMT, "David"
wrote:

I'm Ok then with my 4 lines and half that number of letters.
Should you be reffering to the space between message and signiture this is
automatically put in by my NewsReader along with the --. I believe some
Newsreaders can use this -- for some purpose.

No, I am referring to the (2 in that message) blank lines at the end
of your .sig. Maybe that is just OE screwing things up, which it
excels at.
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"Andrew" wrote in message
...

No, I am referring to the (2 in that message) blank lines at the end
of your .sig. Maybe that is just OE screwing things up, which it
excels at.


Well mabe so, yours or mine or both.
Definately only 4 lines typed into my signiture options. So sorry we will
have to live with it.

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Andrew wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:07:27 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Adverts say it is free, Sky Digi box says I need a subscription but I
understand an ordinary FTA digi box will get it.
(Freeview box says it is to come.)
What is going on?

The advert is pretty clear, from the 23rd, it will be free. It isn't
the 23rd yet, so isn't free now.
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aye, but the advert is only clear at certain points, for the rest of
the time it makes it look like it's free now.

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David wrote:

"Andrew" wrote in message
...

No, I am referring to the (2 in that message) blank lines at the end
of your .sig. Maybe that is just OE screwing things up, which it
excels at.


Well mabe so, yours or mine or both.
Definately only 4 lines typed into my signiture options. So sorry we will
have to live with it.

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On my old netscape there's quite a gap under your sig, but personally,
unless the sig is offensive, I couldn't give a damn :O)

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Paul Heslop wrote:

aye, but the advert is only clear at certain points, for the rest of
the time it makes it look like it's free now.

Welcome to the power of advertising.

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:54:34 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Well mabe so, yours or mine or both.

Using Agent means never having to apologise for your Usenet client,
which is more than can be said for OE.

Definately only 4 lines typed into my signiture options. So sorry we will
have to live with it.

Personally I don't give a crap, I only got into this as you started
picking on mine ;-)
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Colin Forrester wrote:

Paul Heslop wrote:

aye, but the advert is only clear at certain points, for the rest of
the time it makes it look like it's free now.

Welcome to the power of advertising.

:O) To fudge, obscure and sell.
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"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:29:34 GMT, "David"
wrote:

I'm Ok then with my 4 lines and half that number of letters.
Should you be reffering to the space between message and signiture this is
automatically put in by my NewsReader along with the --. I believe some
Newsreaders can use this -- for some purpose.

No, I am referring to the (2 in that message) blank lines at the end
of your .sig. Maybe that is just OE screwing things up, which it
excels at.

You can get OE to display sigs?

It just chops them off for me and I've not managed to
find out how to stop it (not that I've tried very hard)

tim

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"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:54:34 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Well mabe so, yours or mine or both.

Using Agent means never having to apologise for your Usenet client,
which is more than can be said for OE.

I used agent for a month.

I hated it. Perhaps the client doesn't have bugs in it
but the front end is horrid.

tim

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:57:30 +0100, "tim \(back at home\)"
wrote:

I used agent for a month.

I hated it. Perhaps the client doesn't have bugs in it
but the front end is horrid.

With the default settings yes, but it is aimed at functionality and
efficiency over dumbed down clients like OE.
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:57:30 +0100, "tim \(back at home\)"
wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:54:34 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Well mabe so, yours or mine or both.

Using Agent means never having to apologise for your Usenet client,
which is more than can be said for OE.

I used agent for a month.

I hated it. Perhaps the client doesn't have bugs in it
but the front end is horrid.

The version I use is buggy...Sometimes I can't even click send!...and
sometimes it tries to send emails in response as well as n.g
responses!...

I still love it more than OE though....

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:12:02 +0100, Craig Coope
wrote:

The version I use is buggy...Sometimes I can't even click send!...and
sometimes it tries to send emails in response as well as n.g
responses!...

That is kind of an old version you have there, not that I have ever
seen those bugs in any version.
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"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:57:30 +0100, "tim \(back at home\)"
wrote:

I used agent for a month.

I hated it. Perhaps the client doesn't have bugs in it
but the front end is horrid.

With the default settings yes, but it is aimed at functionality and
efficiency over dumbed down clients like OE.

Oh yes, it had 100s of configurable items but nowhere
could I find the ones that I wanted.

tim

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Andrew wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:12:02 +0100, Craig Coope
wrote:

The version I use is buggy...Sometimes I can't even click send!...and
sometimes it tries to send emails in response as well as n.g
responses!...

That is kind of an old version you have there, not that I have ever
seen those bugs in any version.

If you're complaining about sigs and USENET rules, it's quite a common one
that the sig shouldn't be longer than the rest of the post.
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:36:02 +0100, "James Hart"
wrote:

If you're complaining about sigs and USENET rules

I wasn't.

it's quite a common one
that the sig shouldn't be longer than the rest of the post.

Got a URL to that effect?
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In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:36:02 +0100, "James Hart"
wrote:

If you're complaining about sigs and USENET rules

I wasn't.

it's quite a common one
that the sig shouldn't be longer than the rest of the post.

Got a URL to that effect?

Four lines is the limit.
Look at 4.3 in the second reference - but it may be a good idea to read the
lot.

The news.newusers.questions FAQ http://www.plig.net/nnq/nquote.html
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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:07:37 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

Got a URL to that effect?

Four lines is the limit.

Really, I believe I mentioned that before, but thanks for confirming
it *sigh*.

Look at 4.3 in the second reference - but it may be a good idea to read the
lot.

You read it first before sending it to me to waste my time reading as
it has feck all to do with .sigs, and mine is perfectly legitimate.

The news.newusers.questions FAQ http://www.plig.net/nnq/nquote.html

Which is about quoting.

How to post to uk news groups http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html

Which confirms my .sig is fine.

Proper quoting style explained http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html

Which is about quoting!
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Hi, Chaps.

Now as the OP I wonder if I could politely ask if we could return to my
orginal question.
Thanks.

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:03:11 GMT, "David"
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Now as the OP I wonder if I could politely ask if we could return to my
orginal question.
Thanks.

But I answered that, the thread is fair game after that :-)
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In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:03:11 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Now as the OP I wonder if I could politely ask if we could return to my
orginal question.

But I answered that, the thread is fair game after that :-)

Not when the comments are unacceptable.

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"David" wrote in message
...
Hi, Chaps.

Now as the OP I wonder if I could politely ask if we could return
to my
orginal question.
Thanks.


It will be free to all but morons, the fact that you can't seem to be
able to read suggests that it wont be free to you...

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"David" wrote in message
...
Adverts say it is free, Sky Digi box says I need a subscription but I
understand an ordinary FTA digi box will get it.
(Freeview box says it is to come.)
What is going on?

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Anyone know if FilmFour is going to be free on NTL? I couldn't find anything
about it on their website(but then I can't find much of any use on there!),
and they didn't reply to my email (suprisingly), and I'm not going to ring
their customer support line because they have started charging 5p per minute
to be kept on hold for half an hour...
So, thought I'd ask you guys... :-)

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:38:22 +0100, "ChrisM"
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Anyone know if FilmFour is going to be free on NTL?

It will be free on all the platforms that carry it.
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"Andrew" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:38:22 +0100, "ChrisM"
wrote:

Anyone know if FilmFour is going to be free on NTL?

It will be free on all the platforms that carry it.

OK, thanks!
(now why couldn't NTL just have said that...)

Cheers,

Chris.

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"ChrisM" wrote in message
...

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:38:22 +0100, "ChrisM"
wrote:

Anyone know if FilmFour is going to be free on NTL?

It will be free on all the platforms that carry it.

OK, thanks!
(now why couldn't NTL just have said that...)


Try asking the owner and not the Monkey next time!

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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"Andrew" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:38:22 +0100, "ChrisM"
wrote:

Anyone know if FilmFour is going to be free on NTL?

It will be free on all the platforms that carry it.

OK, thanks!
(now why couldn't NTL just have said that...)


Try asking the owner and not the Monkey next time!


Sorry, not sure if I understand what you're saying:
I'm assuming you're implying that NTL is the monkey, and this group the
owner??
Certainly wouldn't dispute that... (or at least the fact the NTL seem to
employ monkeys on most of their CS outlets)

or did you mean somthing else entirely?

Cheers,

Chris.

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I'm assuming you're implying that NTL is the monkey, and this group the
owner??


why would this group be the owner? Surely it's Channel 4?

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:28:23 +0100, John Cartmell
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But I answered that, the thread is fair game after that :-)

Not when the comments are unacceptable.

I am not the one who started all this BS, and you were the one that
injected the biggest shovel full into the argument.
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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
ChrisM wrote:

I'm assuming you're implying that NTL is the monkey, and this group the
owner??


why would this group be the owner? Surely it's Channel 4?


Good point, didn't really think that through properly did I.
I wasn't thinking that this group owned Film4, just that I'm more likely to
get a sensible answer here than from NTL.
You're right though, the definitive answer is probably going to come from
Channel 4 themselves...

NTL are still the monkey though...(?)

Chris.

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:28:23 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

But I answered that, the thread is fair game after that :-)

Not when the comments are unacceptable.

I am not the one who started all this BS, and you were the one that
injected the biggest shovel full into the argument.

I criticised no-one but gave the correct and clear answer without favour. If
anyone found that upsetting then the hurt is within themselves and not from
what I wrote. The response I got was unacceptable.

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:42:10 +0100, John Cartmell
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I criticised no-one but gave the correct and clear answer without favour.

No, you gave a smug personal opinion and couldn't back it up with any
facts.

If
anyone found that upsetting then the hurt is within themselves and not from
what I wrote. The response I got was unacceptable.

LOL! Why didn't I do this sooner? *plonk*
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:42:10 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

I criticised no-one but gave the correct and clear answer without favour.

No, you gave a smug personal opinion and couldn't back it up with any
facts.

I gave no personal opinion. I simply referred to the official FAQ and standard
advice based on agreements, reached years ago, that have not been challenged
since. My total comment was:
"Four lines is the limit.
Look at 4.3 in the second reference - but it may be a good idea to read the
lot."

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If anyone found that upsetting then the hurt is within themselves and not
from what I wrote. The response I got was unacceptable.

LOL! Why didn't I do this sooner? *plonk*

Usenet was designed for reasonable people. It breaks down otherwise. ;-(

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David wrote:
"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 07:07:27 GMT, "David"
wrote:

Adverts say it is free, Sky Digi box says I need a subscription but I
understand an ordinary FTA digi box will get it.
(Freeview box says it is to come.)
What is going on?

The advert is pretty clear, from the 23rd, it will be free. It isn't
the 23rd yet, so isn't free now.
--

Thanks Andrew.
Film Four is clear on 12480V SR27500 FEC2/3, even a Sky digibox will get
this but one as to Add Channel and use this, rather a messy way to opperate
a Sky box.

Hi David,

Does this mean there will be 2 Film Fours on Satellite, the encrypted
one in the EPG and the unencrypted one which you would have to add?

Also, having added it, how do you the "select" it?

(Say's he who failed to add it last night as he couldn't work out what
to do after entering the various numbers - have now found the answer -
Find Channels).