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In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the football
on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

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"David" wrote in message
...
In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

The pictures coming from Germany are total and utter crap and the sound
isn't even in stereo. What's the point of HDTV when they can't even give you
standard TV but instead you get half of the resolution.


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If the sets are showing SD Broadcasts, then yes they look poor on LCD/Plasma
sets on some channles due to low bitrates used by some of these channels on
satellite, had they been showing the actual HD feed than the picture would
have been stunning.

Trust the stores to use HD sets to show non-hd material :(

"David" wrote in message
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In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

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I've installed a HDTV today and the football looked fabulosa! I was so
enthralled the customer had to kick my arse to make me leave.

Bill

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David wrote:

In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the football
on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

I thought the BBC's Freeview pictures of the Germany game were the best
I've ever seen on DVB-T. Not HD, I know, but nevertheless excellent.

If HDTV is 4x better then it'll be a winner.

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"David" wrote in message
...
In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

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David

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The BBC HD feed on Sky (channel 145) was superb. If you've been looking in
the likes of Comet and Currys, the muppets there wouldn't know it was on a
different channel to the normal SD picture. The ITV match which is on now
is just the normal SD picture as they wouldn't agree to what Sky wanted to
pay them to take their HD feed. I hope their advertisers remember that. I
suppose we should be thankful that ITV isn't in their usual 4.3 aspect ratio
when broadcasting football from Europe.

Dave

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"Peter Hayes" wrote in message
news:1hgon0y.j906p21ewni60N%[email protected] com...
David wrote:

In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football
on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

I thought the BBC's Freeview pictures of the Germany game were the best
I've ever seen on DVB-T. Not HD, I know, but nevertheless excellent.

What ?

The pictures were complete and utter ****. They were totally blurred just
like everything the BBC takes from foreign broadcasters and you couldn't see
the features on players faces.


If HDTV is 4x better then it'll be a winner.

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Thus spaketh superbike999:
"David" wrote in message
...
In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be
transmitted normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets
handle it so badly? Was the football a bad picture on your new HD
ready TV set? --
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David

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The BBC HD feed on Sky (channel 145) was superb. If you've been
looking in the likes of Comet and Currys, the muppets there wouldn't
know it was on a different channel to the normal SD picture. The ITV
match which is on now is just the normal SD picture as they wouldn't
agree to what Sky wanted to pay them to take their HD feed. I hope
their advertisers remember that. I suppose we should be thankful
that ITV isn't in their usual 4.3 aspect ratio when broadcasting
football from Europe.
Dave



Er, ITV would just have to pay for an EPG number, they would just send the
signal to the satellite without Sky having anything to do with it.


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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

I've installed a HDTV today and the football looked fabulosa! I was so
enthralled the customer had to kick my arse to make me leave.

Bill

Agreed Bill, the HD pictures viewed on my Pioneer plasma were outstandingly
good!

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superbike999 wrote:

The BBC HD feed on Sky (channel 145) was superb. If you've been looking in
the likes of Comet and Currys, the muppets there wouldn't know it was on a
different channel to the normal SD picture. The ITV match which is on now
is just the normal SD picture as they wouldn't agree to what Sky wanted to
pay them to take their HD feed.

No, I doubt it. Sky do not arrange any uplink facilities for SD ITV, (nor the SD
or HD BBC broadcasts) The only issue is that of paying for the EPG position
(around UKP100k/pa ISTR); small beer for ITV.

ITV have not chosen to run an HD test on satellite, simply that. They are
running an HD test mux in London however, (UHF Ch 27) I don't know if their
matches are in HD on that ?

suppose we should be thankful that ITV isn't in their usual 4.3 aspect ratio
when broadcasting football from Europe.

Just like the Beeb if there is a decent quality 16:9 feed available from the
host broadcaster, ITV use it.

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Agamemnon wrote:

"Peter Hayes" wrote in message
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David wrote:

In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football
on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

I thought the BBC's Freeview pictures of the Germany game were the best
I've ever seen on DVB-T. Not HD, I know, but nevertheless excellent.

What ?

The pictures were complete and utter ****. They were totally blurred
just like everything the BBC takes from foreign broadcasters and you
couldn't see the features on players faces.


Looked pretty good to me on a 32" analogue LCD and freeview ...

Rob

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Mark Carver wrote:

superbike999 wrote:

suppose we should be thankful that ITV isn't in their usual 4.3 aspect ratio
when broadcasting football from Europe.

Just like the Beeb if there is a decent quality 16:9 feed available from the
host broadcaster, ITV use it.

That's what ITV told me when I queried their Grand Prix 4:3 coverage.

So presumably Silvertone tomorrow will be 16:9.

What surprises me is that even the "prestigious" Monaco GP was in 4:3.

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Mark Carver wrote:

Peter Hayes wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:

Just like the Beeb if there is a decent quality 16:9 feed available from the
host broadcaster, ITV use it.


That's what ITV told me when I queried their Grand Prix 4:3 coverage.

So presumably Silvertone tomorrow will be 16:9.

Probably not. ITV will not be the host broadcasters, F1-TV are.

Ah, good point, I forgot that...

What surprises me is that even the "prestigious" Monaco GP was in 4:3.

That's right, F1-TV are host broadcaster, irrespective of country hosting the
race.


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"Agamemnon" wrote in message
...

"Peter Hayes" wrote in message
news:1hgon0y.j906p21ewni60N%[email protected] com...
David wrote:

In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football
on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

I thought the BBC's Freeview pictures of the Germany game were the best
I've ever seen on DVB-T. Not HD, I know, but nevertheless excellent.

What ?

The pictures were complete and utter ****. They were totally blurred just
like everything the BBC takes from foreign broadcasters and you couldn't
see the features on players faces.

They where as good as SKY's Premiership footy, and that's saying something
for the BBC. Even ITV's evening match didn't seem as compressed as normal.

If you want to see it in it's low bandwith glory watch UKGold2!

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In message , Peter
Hayes writes
Mark Carver wrote:

superbike999 wrote:

suppose we should be thankful that ITV isn't in their usual 4.3
aspect ratio
when broadcasting football from Europe.

Just like the Beeb if there is a decent quality 16:9 feed available from the
host broadcaster, ITV use it.

That's what ITV told me when I queried their Grand Prix 4:3 coverage.

So presumably Silvertone tomorrow will be 16:9.

Silvertone rather behind the times.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7420225616

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I thought the picture quality on Freeview good and no more. My one complaint
is that most of the time you felt like you were sat in the back row of the
upper stand. The only other angle was close up. Not enough middle distance
used. I noticed this in yesterday's games too. In the words of one famous
card advert 'ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM'.

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"Rod L." wrote in message
...
I thought the picture quality on Freeview good and no more. My one
complaint is that most of the time you felt like you were sat in the back
row of the upper stand. The only other angle was close up. Not enough
middle distance used. I noticed this in yesterday's games too. In the words
of one famous card advert 'ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM'.

oooops CAR not card.

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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:05:36 +0100, "Mike GW8IJT"
wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football on, what horrible pictures !
All the others had other programes on and looked allmost OK.
Of course none of the sets would be getting HD transmissions but what
puzzled me is that the football would orginate in HD and be transmitted
normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets handle it so badly?
Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV set?

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Fortunately there are plenty of channels NOT showing football.
Regards Mike.


And if the few bits of that England V whoever 'game' I saw whilst
mucking about with STB's earlier were anything to go by, the
'highlights' wouldn't take up more than a few kB on any DVR .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

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In article ,
Rod L. wrote:
I thought the picture quality on Freeview good and no more. My one
complaint is that most of the time you felt like you were sat in the
back row of the upper stand. The only other angle was close up. Not
enough middle distance used. I noticed this in yesterday's games too. In
the words of one famous card advert 'ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM'.


This was one of the very noticeable things about the original HD coverage
of Wimbledon, all of 15 years ago. Because there was so much detail in the
HD picture, directors didn't neet to go in for middle distance shots.

Of course, when the pictures are also used on normal tv, there is a
problem. Mind you, there may not be all that many HD camera about.

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John Cartmell wrote:

The technical quality of the picture (resolution) was excellent. The ability
to deal with the contrast, the design of the stadium, the choice of camera
positions, editing, (and zoom) was all terrible.

There's one thing the Brits are still good at, and are probably the best in the
world; sports OB coverage.


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At 20:08:57 on 09/06/2006, Agamemnon delighted uk.tech.digital-tv by announcing:


"David" wrote in message
...
In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football on, what horrible pictures ! All the others had other programes
on and looked allmost OK. Of course none of the sets would be getting HD
transmissions but what puzzled me is that the football would orginate in
HD and be transmitted normally to these HD ready sets, why did these sets
handle it so badly? Was the football a bad picture on your new HD ready TV
set?

The pictures coming from Germany are total and utter crap and the sound isn't
even in stereo.

Comparisons with German (and even Dutch) channels allegedly show the picture
quality is down to the Beeb. And the Germans are broadcasting DD 5.1 so again
that's down to the Beeb.

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So, in the end, was the football HD broadcast as 720p or 1080i?

720p is supposed to be better for sport, but the BBC and Sky said
recently that their preference for HD was 1080i.

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In article , Alex
wrote:
At 20:08:57 on 09/06/2006, Agamemnon delighted uk.tech.digital-tv by
announcing:


"David" wrote in message
...
In the Retail Park tonight and a couple of the HD ready TVs had the
football on, what horrible pictures ! All the others had other
programes on and looked allmost OK. Of course none of the sets would
be getting HD transmissions but what puzzled me is that the football
would orginate in HD and be transmitted normally to these HD ready
sets, why did these sets handle it so badly? Was the football a bad
picture on your new HD ready TV set?

The pictures coming from Germany are total and utter crap and the sound
isn't even in stereo.

Comparisons with German (and even Dutch) channels allegedly show the
picture quality is down to the Beeb. And the Germans are broadcasting DD
5.1 so again that's down to the Beeb.

but then the signals originate in Germany. Maybe the enhancements are not
being given out via Eurovision.

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charles wrote:
In article , Alex

Comparisons with German (and even Dutch) channels allegedly show the
picture quality is down to the Beeb. And the Germans are broadcasting DD
5.1 so again that's down to the Beeb.


but then the signals originate in Germany. Maybe the enhancements are not
being given out via Eurovision.

I don't think the Eurovision (aka EBU) contribution circuits are being used by
BBC or ITV, as both broadcasters are providing 'customised' coverage directly
from the event. In any case are the Eurovision links HD capable yet ?

Certainly for Euro 2000, ITV had their own 24 Mb/s component link, and the Beeb
had some ropey old PAL circuit.

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In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
charles wrote:
In article , Alex

Comparisons with German (and even Dutch) channels allegedly show the
picture quality is down to the Beeb. And the Germans are broadcasting
DD 5.1 so again that's down to the Beeb.


but then the signals originate in Germany. Maybe the enhancements are
not being given out via Eurovision.

I don't think the Eurovision (aka EBU) contribution circuits are being
used by BBC or ITV, as both broadcasters are providing 'customised'
coverage directly from the event. In any case are the Eurovision links
HD capable yet ?

Perhaps not the links, but the Beeb will be getting many feeds (vision &
sound)from the host broadcaster rather than creating them themselves.

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
John Cartmell wrote:

The technical quality of the picture (resolution) was excellent. The
ability
to deal with the contrast, the design of the stadium, the choice of
camera
positions, editing, (and zoom) was all terrible.

There's one thing the Brits are still good at, and are probably the best
in the world; sports OB coverage.

I like my TV and enjoy watching sport but I'm really unhappy as to how this
HDTV conversion is apparently spoiling my viewing of the World Cup thus far.
Our TV is a modest 28" flat CRT and not some poor LCD/Plasma excuse. I don't
know if its the weather, hay fever etc. but my eyes have really hurt after
watching the opening games. I'm sure it's down to the fact the players look
like ants. Either that or the cheap ASDA booze I've been drinking.

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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:13:10 GMT, "Rod L."
wrote:

I like my TV and enjoy watching sport but I'm really unhappy as to how this
HDTV conversion is apparently spoiling my viewing of the World Cup thus far.
Our TV is a modest 28" flat CRT and not some poor LCD/Plasma excuse.

How are your watching HDTV on a CRT?
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"Andrew" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:13:10 GMT, "Rod L."
wrote:

I like my TV and enjoy watching sport but I'm really unhappy as to how
this
HDTV conversion is apparently spoiling my viewing of the World Cup thus
far.
Our TV is a modest 28" flat CRT and not some poor LCD/Plasma excuse.

How are your watching HDTV on a CRT?
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then converted to SDTV. That's what I was trying to say by HDTV conversion.
Apologies for any misunderstanding. I did notice the current game on BBC1
has better camera angles. Watching the man with the ball plus approx. a
third of the pitch around him rather than the whole pitch.