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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:39:05 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Nonetheless, it doesn't change the fact that a viewing card is
equipment,

Even when it provides subscription channels?

Absolutely.

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:39:05 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

No more an ongoing cost than buying a new TV every time the old one
breaks,

The card doesn't break or wear out. It is deliberately disabled by
Sky.

It becomes technologically obsolete when it is no longer able to
securely protect the integrity of the broadcast signal. It's not in
Sky's interest to issue new cards a moment before they absolutely have
to - it's a stupidly expensive operation.


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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 20:08:10 +0100, "Heracles Pollux"
wrote:

Except, I don't want to be attached to this host, but rather the BBC is a
parasite that wishes to attach itself to me.

Again, who is trying to take what from whom?

The licence fee is wrong, no question there, but for as long as it IS
the law, then everyone is obliged to pay it. If you choose not to help
carry this particular coffin, you just make it all the heavier for
everyone else.

--

Don't be daft. The BBC is a quango institution and will simply expand to
fill the budget available. It has nothing to do with public demand that the
BBC ****es away so much money.

The converse is true: The more people who are willing to pay the BBC's
superannuation will be interpreted as a justification for continuing this
"fee" and its annual rises. The more people who "resist" the ever increasing
inflation busting fee, the harder it will be for the BBC to say the public
supports it.

I don't regard myself as a mere serf living within New Liebour and the BBC's
fiefdom, obligated to tip my cap, bow, and pay a tithe to the BBCs
aristocratic ruling elite. I owe them, nothing. I show the BBC no respect.

ZT, you disappoint me, that you of all people, would willingly pander to
them at the BBC who are your inferiors? ;-)

At least Sky, **** that I think it is, never needed to stick a gun to
peoples heads, and ultimately gives people what they chose to subscribe to
voluntarily.

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"Arfur Million" wrote in message
oups.com...
Nigel Barker wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 17:04:36 +0100, "Pyriform"
wrote:

Except that this would be an offence only if the car were driven on a
public road.

Regards,
Arfur

Actually, the law has changed. its now an offence not to have the car taxed
even if its not on the public highway unless you have declared it to be
undrivable though a SORN. But then to drive it at all makes it liable to
road fund licence

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"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 May 2006 20:08:10 +0100, "Heracles Pollux"
wrote:

Except, I don't want to be attached to this host, but rather the BBC is a
parasite that wishes to attach itself to me.

Again, who is trying to take what from whom?

The licence fee is wrong, no question there, but for as long as it IS
the law, then everyone is obliged to pay it. If you choose not to help
carry this particular coffin, you just make it all the heavier for
everyone else.

--

Don't be daft. The BBC is a quango institution and will simply expand to
fill the budget available. It has nothing to do with public demand that
the BBC ****es away so much money.

The converse is true: The more people who are willing to pay the BBC's
superannuation will be interpreted as a justification for continuing this
"fee" and its annual rises. The more people who "resist" the ever
increasing inflation busting fee, the harder it will be for the BBC to say
the public supports it.

I don't regard myself as a mere serf living within New Liebour and the
BBC's fiefdom, obligated to tip my cap, bow, and pay a tithe to the BBCs
aristocratic ruling elite. I owe them, nothing. I show the BBC no respect.

ZT, you disappoint me, that you of all people, would willingly pander to
them at the BBC who are your inferiors? ;-)

At least Sky, **** that I think it is, never needed to stick a gun to
peoples heads, and ultimately gives people what they chose to subscribe to
voluntarily.

Totally true.
Let the BBC live or die on its own merits, not by subsidies.
They spend £14 MILLION a year on self advertising! Advertising a product you
have no choice in if you buy it or not. They pay so called "stars" Millions
a year of our money when these "stars" could not get a job at McDonalds at
£5 an hour if they had to live in the real world and expect pensioners,
people with little disposable income and even the Tax dodgers (students) to
pay for their vast over inflated salaries.
The Quango which is the TV licensing authority wastes millions every year on
collecting this tax for that is what it is to pay for Bliars propaganda
machine.

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Zero Tolerance wrote:

No more an ongoing cost than buying a new TV every time the old one
breaks,

The card doesn't break or wear out. It is deliberately disabled by
Sky.

It becomes technologically obsolete when it is no longer able to
securely protect the integrity of the broadcast signal.

This is irrelevant when it comes to FTV channels. Sky are only
concerned about the security of pay channels. There is no reason why
FTV viewers should have to fork out such an excessive charge just
because Sky want to keep pay channels secure.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

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Mark Carver wrote:

Perhaps you can
explain where the millions of pounds that C4 and C5 pay for encryption
actually goes

It appears directly as profit in the BSkyB accounts.

This is really money for old rope as far as Sky are concerned. It
doesn't actually cost them anything at all to provide encryption for
C4 and C5, yet they get paid millions for doing so.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

FilmFour free on Sky?
 

I don't regard myself as a mere serf living within New Liebour and the
BBC's fiefdom, obligated to tip my cap, bow, and pay a tithe to the BBCs
aristocratic ruling elite. I owe them, nothing. I show the BBC no
respect.

ZT, you disappoint me, that you of all people, would willingly pander to
them at the BBC who are your inferiors? ;-)

At least Sky, **** that I think it is, never needed to stick a gun to
peoples heads, and ultimately gives people what they chose to subscribe
to voluntarily.

Totally true.
Let the BBC live or die on its own merits, not by subsidies.
They spend £14 MILLION a year on self advertising! Advertising a product
you have no choice in if you buy it or not. They pay so called "stars"
Millions a year of our money when these "stars" could not get a job at
McDonalds at £5 an hour if they had to live in the real world and expect
pensioners, people with little disposable income and even the Tax dodgers
(students) to pay for their vast over inflated salaries.
The Quango which is the TV licensing authority wastes millions every year
on collecting this tax for that is what it is to pay for Bliars propaganda
machine.



All true.

And ask ourselves this. Why wasn't Top-Up TV and NDS Datacorp / Sky
competitively tendered to operate the TVL Licensing authority at the
beginning of the next Charter renewal?

The BBC is simply ancient feudalism and serfdom trying to insert itself in a
moderm market economy.

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In article ,
Heracles Pollux wrote:




All true.

And ask ourselves this. Why wasn't Top-Up TV and NDS Datacorp / Sky
competitively tendered to operate the TVL Licensing authority at the
beginning of the next Charter renewal?

Possibly because the contract with the current agency didn't co-incide with
the Charter renewal. the present operator obtained the job by competitive
tendering.

It may not be related but, Many moons ago, before the BBC Microcomputer was
launched, there was an outcry that Clive Sinclair hadn't won the tender and
it had been awarded to an unknown company "Acorn". The reality was that
Sinclair had been asked to tended and declined the offer.

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In article ,
Heracles Pollux wrote:
The BBC is simply ancient feudalism and serfdom trying to insert itself in a
moderm market economy.

By all means bugger off to some society that is happy with your nightmare but
leave our civilisation alone.

Just remember that we might very well have to charge you way over the top for
decent programmes once you've finally got sick of watching all that's in the
BBC archives.

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