UK FTA size (was: FilmFour free on Sky?)
 

"Jomtien" wrote in message
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Zero Tolerance wrote:

They're not as easy to
use as other European systems because of Sky's involvement in
EPG production and discouragement of Ceefax.

It's not Sky's fault that other European boxes can't string together a
decent EPG.

There is a common standard for EPG data transmission and Sky
deliberately does not comply with it. If they did, the full 7 day EPG
would be visible on any box. It doesn't take much imagination to
realise why they don't.

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According to my Sony Wega, it's called the programmführer which I see just
by switch to my German satellite channels.

;-)

UK FTA size (was: FilmFour free on Sky?)
 

On Sun, 28 May 2006 08:48:29 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

There is a common standard for EPG data transmission and Sky
deliberately does not comply with it. If they did, the full 7 day EPG
would be visible on any box. It doesn't take much imagination to
realise why they don't.

No demand, clearly.

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FilmFour free on Sky?
 

On Sat, 27 May 2006 13:27:12 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for an access
card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T (Freeview) (E4 & More4) then
you must subscribe to a Sky package. By any definition this makes C4 a Pay TV
channels on satellite.

If you want to receive QVC then you must pay for a television. By any
definition this makes QVC a pay TV channel.

Except it doesn't. The cost of reception equipment is irrelevant.
If you don't pay an ongoing subscription for it, it's not pay TV.

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FilmFour free on Sky?
 

"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 13:27:12 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for an
access
card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T (Freeview) (E4 &
More4) then
you must subscribe to a Sky package. By any definition this makes C4 a Pay
TV
channels on satellite.

If you want to receive QVC then you must pay for a television. By any
definition this makes QVC a pay TV channel.

Except it doesn't. The cost of reception equipment is irrelevant.
If you don't pay an ongoing subscription for it, it's not pay TV.

Or the electricity to power said TV, also not free, unless you live in
certain estates in Scumchester and Liverpool that is....

UK FTA size (was: FilmFour free on Sky?)
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:

There is a common standard for EPG data transmission and Sky
deliberately does not comply with it. If they did, the full 7 day EPG
would be visible on any box. It doesn't take much imagination to
realise why they don't.

No demand, clearly.

No, to remove the demand.

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UK FTA size (was: FilmFour free on Sky?)
 

(Zero Tolerance)

On 27 May 2006 11:10:25 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

It's where the trend from the Ofcom DTV Update figures up to Q3 2003
would probably have reached had they not changed the method of counting
in Q4 2003.

That figure is not homes with non-Sky equipment. [...]

I count ex-Sky systems as non-Sky systems, although not non-Sky equipment.
The word 'equipment' is your own insertion in this discussion and we don't
have any figures for it.

[...] They're not as easy to
use as other European systems because of Sky's involvement in
EPG production and discouragement of Ceefax.

It's not Sky's fault that other European boxes can't string together a
decent EPG.

Other European boxes can. I think it's the same Service Info system
used on Freeview. However, point the same DVB-standards-using receiver
at the UK broadcasts and you only see now and next. Sky only encode
the full EPG in the proprietary OpenTV format used by their boxes.

Nor is it Sky's fault that Ceefax was "discouraged"

Partly. I've been told that Sky boxes can't view DVB-TXT and can't
cope with multiple services sharing a TXT stream (which would make
it easier for BBC to run one Ceefax per transponder instead of one
per channel). It's also part of why we don't have stream merges
and splits for regional opt-outs like Austria and Germany (another
part being the way the BBC's regional broadcast network is laid out).

Hope that explains,
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FilmFour free on Sky?
 

(Zero Tolerance)
On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:
On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

It is a non-subscription pay-TV channel. Subscription is not the
only form of pay-TV.

Hope that helps,
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FilmFour free on Sky?
 

"MJ Ray" wrote in message
reenews.net...
4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.
It is a non-subscription pay-TV channel. Subscription is not the
only form of pay-TV.

OK, with that broad approach is there any example of a channel that isn't a
form of pay TV?

Loz

FilmFour free on Sky?
 

"MJ Ray" wrote in message
reenews.net...
(Zero Tolerance)
On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:
On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

It is a non-subscription pay-TV channel. Subscription is not the
only form of pay-TV.

I have channel 4 on my Sky box, I don't subscribe to Sky. Therefore it's a
free non-subscription channel. How can it be a pay channel if I don't have
to pay to receive it?

FilmFour free on Sky?
 

"Brian Wescombe" wrote in message
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"MJ Ray" wrote in message
reenews.net...
(Zero Tolerance)
On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:
On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

It is a non-subscription pay-TV channel. Subscription is not the
only form of pay-TV.

I have channel 4 on my Sky box, I don't subscribe to Sky. Therefore it's a
free non-subscription channel. How can it be a pay channel if I don't have
to pay to receive it?


I think the (tenous) argument is that you originally paid for a Sky card,
hence its a 'pay' channel (whereas for say, BBC1 it would work without a
card)

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