More4+1 gone?
 

According to all my Freeview boxen (signals from Crystal Palace) More4+1
is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK, fair
enough, but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy (well it was)
if you missed an NYPD Blue episode on More4. My guess is that they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother **** - I seem to have a
channel 305 in my line-up now.

Thanks, Channel 4, way to go. Not.


Clem

More4+1 gone?
 

Clem Dye wrote:

More4+1
is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK, fair
enough

using the space for a +1 channel was just temporary, it was useful for
you while it was there, but presumably you'll appreciate a proper
channel rather than jut a timeshifted one?

but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy (well it was)

yes, but you really you could just get a 2nd tuner

My guess is that they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother ****

Probably, but all the 60p phone calls from the BB mugs will help fund
More4/Film4 :-)

More4+1 gone?
 

Andy Burns wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:

More4+1 is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK,
fair enough

using the space for a +1 channel was just temporary, it was useful for
you while it was there, but presumably you'll appreciate a proper
channel rather than jut a timeshifted one?

True, but why maintain E4+1? They could have just as easily junked that
in favour of Film4.

but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy (well it was)

yes, but you really you could just get a 2nd tuner
Can't quite see how that would help.

My guess is that they need the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother ****

Probably, but all the 60p phone calls from the BB mugs will help fund
More4/Film4 :-)
I'm not so sure. C4 has held the rights to NYPD Blue, and it was bl**dy
annoying when they stopped showing anything after series 9 some years
ago. Given the high number of repeats on E4/More4 I can't quite see
where the money is going now, let alone if BB mugs pay-up.

I still think that it was somewhat scabby to kill the +1 channel just t
make way for BB. Gold ol' C4 is ramming this rubbish down our collective
throats once again this year. Seems like if you don't like sport
(Wimbledon/World Cup et al) and you don't lkie BB then tough. Sigh.

More4+1 gone?
 

In article ,
says...
Clem Dye wrote:

My guess is that they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother ****

Probably, but all the 60p phone calls from the BB mugs will help fund
More4/Film4 :-)


Coffee cups making phone calls? That'll explain the phone bills then.
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Clem Dye wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:
yes, but you really you could just get a 2nd tuner
Can't quite see how that would help.

Sorry, I went off at a tangent I suppose, +1 channels and/or dual tuners
help me resolve scheduling conflicts, but only +1 channels help if you
didn't know it was on until half way through the programme ...

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"Clem Dye" wrote in message
...
snip

I still think that it was somewhat scabby to kill the +1 channel
just t
make way for BB. Gold ol' C4 is ramming this rubbish down our
collective
throats once again this year. Seems like if you don't like sport
(Wimbledon/World Cup et al) and you don't lkie BB then tough. Sigh.

I can see an uplift in DVD sales and rentals!

But then with all the programmes / series in the various TV channels
'back-catalouges' there is really no excuse for having +1 channels,
other than for people who can't workout how to set up their video
recorders....

More4+1 gone?
 

"Clem Dye" wrote

According to all my Freeview boxen (signals from Crystal Palace) More4+1
is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July.

Here up North the caption simply says "From July" and "channel 31" for
FilmFour, but states no specific date in July.

John Howells

More4+1 gone?
 

"Clem Dye" wrote in message
...
Andy Burns wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:

More4+1 is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK,
fair enough

using the space for a +1 channel was just temporary, it was useful for
you while it was there, but presumably you'll appreciate a proper channel
rather than jut a timeshifted one?

True, but why maintain E4+1? They could have just as easily junked that in
favour of Film4.

E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
replace it with 'C4 America'.

The +1 channels are a waste of bandwidth - if viewers want timeshifted
programmes they should buy a Digital PVR, which are now widely available and
the successor to VCR's.

Colin

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"Colin" wrote in message
...

"Clem Dye" wrote in message
...
Andy Burns wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:

More4+1 is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK,
fair enough

using the space for a +1 channel was just temporary, it was useful for
you while it was there, but presumably you'll appreciate a proper
channel rather than jut a timeshifted one?

True, but why maintain E4+1? They could have just as easily junked that
in favour of Film4.

E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
replace it with 'C4 America'.

The +1 channels are a waste of bandwidth - if viewers want timeshifted
programmes they should buy a Digital PVR, which are now widely available
and the successor to VCR's.

Colin




On the other hand, they fill bandwidth, are very cheap to produce requiring
no significant expense, they strategically increase the channel's exposure
to viewers, and they block out new-up-start broadcasters and competitors
from entering the market.

Of course as a Topfield owner, I agree that a PVR makes these services less
important.

More4+1 gone?
 

"Colin" wrote in message
...

snip

The +1 channels are a waste of bandwidth - if viewers want
timeshifted
programmes they should buy a Digital PVR, which are now widely
available and
the successor to VCR's.


Were VCR's not *personal* then, how have I managed to keep mine for
my sole use for so long without demands for me to share it about?!

'PVR' is a commercial marketing term and not a generic product term,
that would be either a DVR or DVB Recorder.

More4+1 gone?
 

"Colin" wrote in message
...

"Clem Dye" wrote in message
...
Andy Burns wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:

More4+1 is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK,
fair enough

using the space for a +1 channel was just temporary, it was useful for
you while it was there, but presumably you'll appreciate a proper
channel rather than jut a timeshifted one?

True, but why maintain E4+1? They could have just as easily junked that
in favour of Film4.

E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
replace it with 'C4 America'.

When, what, and do you have a link?

--
Max Demian

More4+1 gone?
 

E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
replace it with 'C4 America'.

When, what, and do you have a link?

--
Max Demian



I'm not sure about that idea?

It confuses what C4 does well, and is slightly incompatible with E4, MORE4,
and FilmFour's existing reason d'étre.

For proper Channel 4 to concentrate on UK content, they would be following
the path of BBC DUMB, BBC TWO, and SH-ITV. That is not exactly a winning
strategy given the superiority of US television and decline of channels
showing indigenous content.

More4+1 gone?
 

:::Jerry:::: wrote:
'PVR' is a commercial marketing term and not a generic product term,
that would be either a DVR or DVB Recorder.

In the end, words mean what we want them to mean. Dictionaries are
descriptive rather than normative. I will therefore continue to use
'PVR', because I know exactly what I have in mind. I may have the
occasional fight with a Tivo owner over the exact feature set required
to justify that term, but neither of us are likely to defer to you!

More4+1 gone?
 

In article ,
Colin wrote:
E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
replace it with 'C4 America'.

Does this mean that all other channels will drop their US originated soaps?
Please!!

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On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:55:40 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

|In article ,
| Colin wrote:
| E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
| replace it with 'C4 America'.
|
|Does this mean that all other channels will drop their US originated soaps?
|Please!!

I have never watched any US originated soaps.
I class them on a par with shopping channels.
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method of accessing usenet. GG subscribers would be well advised get a
newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:55:40 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

|In article ,
| Colin wrote:
| E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
| replace it with 'C4 America'.
|
|Does this mean that all other channels will drop their US originated
soaps?
|Please!!

I have never watched any US originated soaps.
I class them on a par with shopping channels.
--


As opposed to UK originated "reality shows" and "make over shows".

;-)

I think C4 for showing something of most genres has to be the best channel
available at present and all without charging a fee.

More4+1 gone?
 

"Pyriform" wrote in message
...
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
'PVR' is a commercial marketing term and not a generic product
term,
that would be either a DVR or DVB Recorder.

In the end, words mean what we want them to mean. Dictionaries are
descriptive rather than normative. I will therefore continue to use
'PVR', because I know exactly what I have in mind. I may have the
occasional fight with a Tivo owner over the exact feature set
required
to justify that term, but neither of us are likely to defer to you!


Then you will carry on looking like a halfwit who believes all the
marketing hype, like many a TiVio owner in fact!

More4+1 gone?
 

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
...

snip

For proper Channel 4 to concentrate on UK content, they would be
following
the path of BBC DUMB, BBC TWO, and SH-ITV. That is not exactly a
winning
strategy given the superiority of US television and decline of
channels
showing indigenous content.


Oh yes, US television, that would be were the programmes get in the
way of the adverts...

More4+1 gone?
 

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
...
"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in
message
...
snip

I have never watched any US originated soaps.
I class them on a par with shopping channels.

As opposed to UK originated "reality shows" and "make over shows".


Indeed, whilst flipping through the channels, after 30 seconds of Big
Brother, ABC1 seems like a breath of fresh air - even with the
insistent adverts after every scene!...

More4+1 gone?
 

On Fri, 19 May 2006 14:28:44 +0100, "Heracles Pollux"
wrote:

|
|"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
.. .
| On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:55:40 +0100, John Cartmell
| wrote:
|
| |In article ,
| | Colin wrote:
| | E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
| | replace it with 'C4 America'.
| |
| |Does this mean that all other channels will drop their US originated
| soaps?
| |Please!!
|
| I have never watched any US originated soaps.
| I class them on a par with shopping channels.
| --
|
|
|As opposed to UK originated "reality shows" and "make over shows".
|
|;-)

Enlighten me. What are "reality shows" and "make over shows" ;-)
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newsreader, say Agent, and a newsserver, say news.individual.net. These
will allow them: to see only *new* posts, a killfile, and other goodies.

More4+1 gone?
 

:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"Pyriform" wrote:
In the end, words mean what we want them to mean. Dictionaries are
descriptive rather than normative. I will therefore continue to use
'PVR', because I know exactly what I have in mind. I may have the
occasional fight with a Tivo owner over the exact feature set
required to justify that term, but neither of us are likely to defer
to you!

Then you will carry on looking like a halfwit who believes all the
marketing hype, like many a TiVio owner in fact!

Whereas you will continue to look like a dinosaur who is unable to adapt
to changes in his linguistic or technological environment!

More4+1 gone?
 

Dave Fawthrop wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2006 14:28:44 +0100, "Heracles Pollux"
wrote:


"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in
message ...
On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:55:40 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ,
Colin wrote:
E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are
going to replace it with 'C4 America'.

Does this mean that all other channels will drop their US
originated soaps? Please!!

I have never watched any US originated soaps.
I class them on a par with shopping channels.
--


As opposed to UK originated "reality shows" and "make over shows".

;-)

Enlighten me. What are "reality shows" and "make over shows" ;-)

Trust me, you really don't want to know. ;-)
--
Adrian

More4+1 gone?
 

Clem Dye wrote:

" but why kill the channel now, so early? "


If you re-scan your box you'll notice channel 305. This turned up
yesterday in line with the start of Big Brother, and will be showing 24
hour BB even when E4 isn't. This will continue until BB ends, which is
exactly when FilmFour starts on Freeview.

More4+1 gone?
 

given the superiority of US television



ROFL LMAO

More4+1 gone?
 

Alan Gauton wrote:
In article ,
says...
Clem Dye wrote:

My guess is that they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother ****
Probably, but all the 60p phone calls from the BB mugs will help fund
More4/Film4 :-)


Coffee cups making phone calls? That'll explain the phone bills then.
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il.php?shopid=34&itemid=819

BB = Brooke Bond = TEA, not coffee.

Get it right!

More4+1 gone?
 

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
...

E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
replace it with 'C4 America'.

When, what, and do you have a link?

Max Demian

I'm not sure about that idea?

It confuses what C4 does well, and is slightly incompatible with E4,
MORE4,
and FilmFour's existing reason d'étre.

Channel 4 are clearly preparing to use every letter of the alphabet so
prepare for A4 (a motoring channel?), B4 (already there), C4, D4 (Digital
4?), E4, F4 (Film Four), G4 (Economics Channel?), H4, i4 (Channel 4
interactive), J4, K4, L4, M4 (another motoring channel), N4, O4, P4, Q4, R4,
S4 (already there in Wales), T4 (already there in the mornings), U4 (Channel
4 Ulster?), V4 (Virtual Horse Racing?), W4 (local TV for West London?), X4
(Channel 4's Pay per View adult channel), Y4, Z4 (Wildlife channel about
Zebras in Zoos). Any more suggestions?

More4+1 gone?
 

On Fri, 19 May 2006 23:12:28 +0100, "Stephen"
wrote:

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
...

E4+1 is going to be 'junked' as well in due course, as C4 are going to
replace it with 'C4 America'.

When, what, and do you have a link?

Max Demian

I'm not sure about that idea?

It confuses what C4 does well, and is slightly incompatible with E4,
MORE4,
and FilmFour's existing reason d'étre.

Channel 4 are clearly preparing to use every letter of the alphabet so
prepare for A4 (a motoring channel?)

Or one about paper.

O4,

A channel about the wings, the wings of a dove.


Tim

More4+1 gone?
 

In message , Cuzman
writes
Clem Dye wrote:

" but why kill the channel now, so early? "


If you re-scan your box you'll notice channel 305. This turned up
yesterday in line with the start of Big Brother, and will be showing 24
hour BB even when E4 isn't. This will continue until BB ends, which is
exactly when FilmFour starts on Freeview.

BB is on for 13 weeks, which takes us to the middle of August.
--
Ian

More4+1 gone?
 

Clem Dye wrote:
According to all my Freeview boxen (signals from Crystal Palace) More4+1
is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK, fair
enough, but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy (well it was)
if you missed an NYPD Blue episode on More4. My guess is that they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother **** - I seem to have a
channel 305 in my line-up now.

Thanks, Channel 4, way to go. Not.


Clem

The really irritating part of this for me is that More4+1 was higher
resolution and on a less busy multiplex than More4 so it was my choice
for watching any More4 content. So channel4 dedicate the highest
technical quality to the lowest content quality.

More4+1 gone?
 

"Bob Tidey" wrote in message
...
Clem Dye wrote:
According to all my Freeview boxen (signals from Crystal Palace)
More4+1
is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK,
fair
enough, but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy (well
it was)
if you missed an NYPD Blue episode on More4. My guess is that
they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother **** - I seem to have a
channel 305 in my line-up now.


The really irritating part of this for me is that More4+1 was
higher
resolution and on a less busy multiplex than More4 so it was my
choice
for watching any More4 content. So channel4 dedicate the highest
technical quality to the lowest content quality.

Low quality for 13 weeks, or are you attempting to describe Film4 as
low quality - well I suppose if you hate films it is!...

More4+1 gone?
 

In article ,
Bob Tidey wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:
According to all my Freeview boxen (signals from Crystal Palace) More4+1
is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK, fair
enough, but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy (well it was)
if you missed an NYPD Blue episode on More4. My guess is that they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother **** - I seem to have a
channel 305 in my line-up now.

Thanks, Channel 4, way to go. Not.

The really irritating part of this for me is that More4+1 was higher
resolution and on a less busy multiplex than More4 so it was my choice
for watching any More4 content. So channel4 dedicate the highest
technical quality to the lowest content quality.

But they're going to put FilmFour on the technically higher quality channel.

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More4+1 gone?
 

:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"Bob Tidey" wrote in message
...
Clem Dye wrote:
According to all my Freeview boxen (signals from Crystal Palace)
More4+1
is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July. OK,
fair
enough, but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy (well
it was)
if you missed an NYPD Blue episode on More4. My guess is that
they need
the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother **** - I seem to have a
channel 305 in my line-up now.

The really irritating part of this for me is that More4+1 was
higher
resolution and on a less busy multiplex than More4 so it was my
choice
for watching any More4 content. So channel4 dedicate the highest
technical quality to the lowest content quality.

Low quality for 13 weeks, or are you attempting to describe Film4 as
low quality - well I suppose if you hate films it is!...


I was referring to 13 weeks of BB and not getting high quality More4.
I'm looking forward to Film4

I know I might be in a minority but it wouldn't bother me if BB was put
out at 1pixel x 1 pixel resolution, preferably with the sound muted.

More4+1 gone?
 

In article , Stephen wrote:
Channel 4 are clearly preparing to use every letter of the alphabet so
prepare for A4 (a motoring channel?), B4 (already there), C4, D4 (Digital
4?), E4, F4 (Film Four), G4 (Economics Channel?), H4, i4 (Channel 4
interactive), J4, K4, L4, M4 (another motoring channel), N4, O4, P4, Q4, R4,
S4 (already there in Wales), T4 (already there in the mornings), U4 (Channel
4 Ulster?), V4 (Virtual Horse Racing?), W4 (local TV for West London?), X4
(Channel 4's Pay per View adult channel), Y4, Z4 (Wildlife channel about
Zebras in Zoos). Any more suggestions?

What4?

Rod.

More4+1 gone?
 

In message , Colin
writes
The +1 channels are a waste of bandwidth - if viewers want timeshifted
programmes they should buy a Digital PVR, which are now widely available and
the successor to VCR's.

Most programmes seem to be repeated endlessly, anyway.
--
Martin Jay

More4+1 gone?
 

Bob Tidey wrote:
Clem Dye wrote:
According to all my Freeview boxen (signals from Crystal Palace)
More4+1 is now defunct, and will be replaced by Film4 on 31 July.
OK, fair enough, but why kill the channel now, so early? It's handy
(well it was) if you missed an NYPD Blue episode on More4. My guess
is that they need the bandwidth for all of this Big Brother **** - I
seem to have a channel 305 in my line-up now.

Thanks, Channel 4, way to go. Not.


Clem

The really irritating part of this for me is that More4+1 was higher
resolution and on a less busy multiplex than More4 so it was my choice
for watching any More4 content.

Agreed. The More4 signal from Midhurst is very poor, with almost constant
blocking and freezing. More4+1, on a different mux, was almost
blocking-free.

--
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(cut "thetape" to reply)

More4+1 gone?
 

:::Jerry:::: wrote:


"Pyriform" wrote in message
...
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
'PVR' is a commercial marketing term and not a generic product
term,
that would be either a DVR or DVB Recorder.

In the end, words mean what we want them to mean. Dictionaries are
descriptive rather than normative. I will therefore continue to use
'PVR', because I know exactly what I have in mind. I may have the
occasional fight with a Tivo owner over the exact feature set
required
to justify that term, but neither of us are likely to defer to you!


Then you will carry on looking like a halfwit who believes all the
marketing hype, like many a TiVio owner in fact!

As a very happy owner of 2 TiVos What marketing hype?

--
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Tivo Marketing Hype
 

Peter Bunclark wrote:

Ashley wrote:


to justify that term, but neither of us are likely to defer to
you!


Then you will carry on looking like a halfwit who believes all the
marketing hype, like many a TiVio owner in fact!


As a very happy owner of 2 TiVos What marketing hype?


Well there was the advert showing the guy sitting in an
armchair watching telly with a "WOW" expression. That implied
that somehow the picture was better, and completely missed telling
the audience what a PVR did for you.

Pete.

Never saw that advert. Perhaps he was saying 'Wow it's recorded my
favourite show! I never knew it was on!':)

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Tivo Marketing Hype
 

"Ashley" wrote in message
...
Peter Bunclark wrote:

snip

Well there was the advert showing the guy sitting in an
armchair watching telly with a "WOW" expression. That implied
that somehow the picture was better, and completely missed
telling
the audience what a PVR did for you.


Never saw that advert. Perhaps he was saying 'Wow it's recorded my
favourite show! I never knew it was on!':)


His favourite show and he didn't know it was on! As I said, a
halfwit...

Tivo Marketing Hype
 

:::Jerry:::: wrote:


"Ashley" wrote in message
...
Peter Bunclark wrote:

snip

Well there was the advert showing the guy sitting in an
armchair watching telly with a "WOW" expression. That implied
that somehow the picture was better, and completely missed
telling
the audience what a PVR did for you.


Never saw that advert. Perhaps he was saying 'Wow it's recorded my
favourite show! I never knew it was on!':)


His favourite show and he didn't know it was on! As I said, a
halfwit...

I sometimes forget that a new season of a particular programme has
started. I don't have time to look at the viewing papers or watch
trailers. So that makes me a half-wit? :)

Or he might be saying:

'Wow! It's recorded a programme about my favourite subject!'

The Tivo can record programmes based on your viewing habits and your
wishlists. That's why I like to call it a PVR.

--
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For Windsor weather see www.snglinks.com/wx/

Tivo Marketing Hype
 

Ashley wrote:
Jerry:::: wrote:


"Ashley" wrote in message
...
Peter Bunclark wrote:

snip

Well there was the advert showing the guy sitting in an
armchair watching telly with a "WOW" expression. That implied
that somehow the picture was better, and completely missed telling
the audience what a PVR did for you.


Never saw that advert. Perhaps he was saying 'Wow it's recorded my
favourite show! I never knew it was on!':)


His favourite show and he didn't know it was on! As I said, a
halfwit...

I sometimes forget that a new season of a particular programme has
started. I don't have time to look at the viewing papers or watch
trailers. So that makes me a half-wit? :)

Or he might be saying:

'Wow! It's recorded a programme about my favourite subject!'

The Tivo can record programmes based on your viewing habits and your
wishlists. That's why I like to call it a PVR.

I believe, halfwit, in the post you replied to, was the signature.
--
Adrian