sky plus and pvr
 

hi know how peole have asked the question again and again about ways of
going around the £10 activation fee monthly.

is it possible to use a sky plus box which is not activated for
recording
with a pvr. as in sticking a PVR (I.E PHANTOM PLUS VIRTUAL PVR) in to
the
sky plus box scart socket and using it to record programms.

please help i buyed a box for NOTHING and feel hard done by i wasn't
told
about this.

sky plus and pvr
 

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hi know how peole have asked the question again and again about ways of
going around the £10 activation fee monthly.

is it possible to use a sky plus box which is not activated for
recording
with a pvr. as in sticking a PVR (I.E PHANTOM PLUS VIRTUAL PVR) in to
the
sky plus box scart socket and using it to record programms.

please help i buyed a box for NOTHING and feel hard done by i wasn't
told
about this.

This has been asked and answered time and time again.
A Sky Plus box with no Sky Plus fee paid just acts like a normal
bog-standard digibox.
No recording & no playing back of existing recordings.
Regards Mike.

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writes
hi know how peole have asked the question again and again about ways of
going around the £10 activation fee monthly.

is it possible to use a sky plus box which is not activated for
recording
with a pvr. as in sticking a PVR (I.E PHANTOM PLUS VIRTUAL PVR) in to
the
sky plus box scart socket and using it to record programms.

please help i buyed a box for NOTHING and feel hard done by i wasn't
told
about this.


If you don't pay the £10 per month, you can still use it as a digibox,
so you can record to other devices.

--
Sean Black

sky plus and pvr
 

On Mon, 15 May 2006 10:00:58 +0100, Sean Black
wrote:

If you don't pay the £10 per month, you can still use it as a digibox,
so you can record to other devices.

However, an unsubscribed Sky+ does not have the same Personal Planner
and 'Autoview' options as a regular Sky box, which makes it useless
for this "Phantom PVR" thing.

--

sky plus and pvr
 

wrote:

is it possible to use a sky plus box which is not activated for
recording
with a pvr. as in sticking a PVR (I.E PHANTOM PLUS VIRTUAL PVR) in to
the
sky plus box scart socket and using it to record programms.

I'm not sure what you are asking here. The Sky+ will NOT record itself
unless you pay money to Sky. You can use the Sky+ video output to
record to another device, but, as mentioned, not by autoview/Phantom.
You would need to get a PVR unit with sat control or GuidePlus+.


please help i buyed a box for NOTHING and feel hard done by i wasn't
told
about this.

You have rights under UK law. This item would appear to be unsuitable
for the purpose for which it was intended (by you). You can take it
back.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

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"Jomtien" wrote in message
...
wrote:

is it possible to use a sky plus box which is not activated for
recording
with a pvr. as in sticking a PVR (I.E PHANTOM PLUS VIRTUAL PVR) in to
the
sky plus box scart socket and using it to record programms.

I'm not sure what you are asking here. The Sky+ will NOT record itself
unless you pay money to Sky. You can use the Sky+ video output to
record to another device, but, as mentioned, not by autoview/Phantom.
You would need to get a PVR unit with sat control or GuidePlus+.


please help i buyed a box for NOTHING and feel hard done by i wasn't
told
about this.

You have rights under UK law. This item would appear to be unsuitable
for the purpose for which it was intended (by you). You can take it
back.


YANAL. neither am i but you must be wrong, otherwise you could take any item
back on entirely spurious grounds, eg 'I thought this Sky+ box would make my
breakfast but it doesnt so I want my money back'.

The fact he didnt realise it had certain attributes that made it unsuitable
for him only gives him any rights if it was advertised or sold as not having
those attributes. No different to you buying a Mazda MX5 and then finding
out its unsuitable for towing a horsebox over rough ground, its unlikely to
have been advertised as such.

Plus, I think he bought it on eBay, eg a private sale, in which case his
rights are even weaker, in fact I dont think that law applies in that case,
at all. "caveat emptor" or 'buyer beware', esp if its not broken.

--
Tumbleweed

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On Tue, 16 May 2006 07:59:14 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

You have rights under UK law. This item would appear to be unsuitable
for the purpose for which it was intended (by you). You can take it
back.

No such right exists to return something if it does not fulfil a
purpose which it was not advertised to. In this case, someone wanting
a digibox to use with the toy "Phantom PVR" unit really wants to buy
an ordinary digibox and not a Sky+ box.

In any case, they bought it from an auction on eBay - so they have no
right to "take it back" anyway.

On the plus side, they could re-sell the Sky+ box on eBay fairly
easily, then go and buy a standard digibox for a much cheaper price.

--

sky plus and pvr
 

Tumbleweed wrote:

You have rights under UK law. This item would appear to be unsuitable
for the purpose for which it was intended (by you). You can take it
back.


YANAL. neither am i but you must be wrong, otherwise you could take any item
back on entirely spurious grounds, eg 'I thought this Sky+ box would make my
breakfast but it doesnt so I want my money back'.

If you have said to the shop that you want a product to perform a
certain task then it has to do so, or you can take it back. If the
product has some unusual feature that has a direct impact on the way
it works then the shop is responsible for pointing this out.

So if you aren't told that a sub is always needed to enable the
recording function (no other similar product sold over the counter in
the UK requires this) then you can indeed take it back as being
unsuitable.


The fact he didnt realise it had certain attributes that made it unsuitable
for him only gives him any rights if it was advertised or sold as not having
those attributes.

The point here is that the main function of the Sky+ (recording)
doesn't work without subscription. If you didn't know this already
then it is unreasonable to be expected to guess it. Witness the
endless stream of people here and elsewhere who are astounded that
their Sky+ won't record or play back without payment.


Plus, I think he bought it on eBay, eg a private sale,

That is a totally different situation, of course.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

sky plus and pvr
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:

You have rights under UK law. This item would appear to be unsuitable
for the purpose for which it was intended (by you). You can take it
back.

No such right exists to return something if it does not fulfil a
purpose which it was not advertised to.

Rubbish. If you say to the vendor that you want a green "thingy" that
whistles, and on getting it home you find that it is red and makes a
farting noise, then you can take it back for a full refund.

The item must be fit for the purpose that you have specified, or that
which it can reasonably be expected to fulfil, or it must be clear
from some description that it does/does not perform certain functions.

It is entirely reasonable to expect a recording device to record
without any subscription, unless you have been specifically told
otherwise. No other recording device sold over the counter in the UK
requires such a payment in order to record or play back.


In any case, they bought it from an auction on eBay - so they have no
right to "take it back" anyway.

Quite. I didn't see that he had bought it on Ebay.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

sky plus and pvr
 

"Jomtien" wrote in message
...
Tumbleweed wrote:

You have rights under UK law. This item would appear to be unsuitable
for the purpose for which it was intended (by you). You can take it
back.


YANAL. neither am i but you must be wrong, otherwise you could take any
item
back on entirely spurious grounds, eg 'I thought this Sky+ box would make
my
breakfast but it doesnt so I want my money back'.

If you have said ...

You are starting with an unwarranted 'if'. As he bought it second hand, he's
entirely unlikely to have said anything or placed any requirements on the
seller, he would have answered an advert that said 'Sky+ box for sale', and
bought the 'Sky+ box' without telling the seller anything.

In fact, if it wasnt advertised as being in working order, he can't even
expect that, let alone that it wont need a subscription, or need connecting
to a Sky dish, or a sub to record, or a sub to receive the Playboy Channel,
etc.

"Caveat Emptor "

--
Tumbleweed

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