Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Viasat is pay TV here. That was an answer for "valuable TV channels"
not for free channels. I pay 2.5 UKP/month for 30 channels, and they
are documentary and entertainment channels, not like "UK TV garden".
Viasat alone costs around 0.06 UKP/month. We have Eurosport and
Hungarian Sport 1 as well.

This is on cable. For satellite we have other service, around 7
UKP/month, 30 scrambled and 70 free channels. Symbol rate can be
adjusted freely on the receiver. We are not restricted subsribers like
you.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

My posting is not about what to do, it is about why. Why you UK people
are restricted so much. Why TV companies can do it with you? What do
they think of you british?

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Mike Henry wrote:

A tiny fraction of Bloomberg's output (a pathetic 4 hrs/day, Mon-Fri
only!) is available on TopUpTV, and is encrypted. No-one seriously
wanting to watch Bloomberg would seek out TopUpTV as their platform of
choice on which to watch it.

Indeed.
Most of the people I know who watch Bloomberg tend to watch it 12
hours a day or even more.

I expect that the same applies to CNBC.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
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Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:

Actually it is more than likely that Sky induced these broadcasters to
become encrypted by offering them reduced prices for the obligatory
EPG placement. This seems like abuse of a dominant market position
and, as such, would be illegal.

Except CNBC and Bloomberg have been encrypted from day one on the Sky
Digital platform

I don't think so. Unfortunately I can't be sure as I have always
watched CNBC and Bloomberg on another satellite (I still do watch FTA
Bloomberg there). Also I don't think that they were available from day
one at all.


, at a time when nobody knew if digital would take off
or not and there was nothing "dominant" about their market position at
all.

That is a matter of opinion. A digital service introduced by the only
UK sat broadcaster (Sky) that was already very successful in analogue?
And run by News Corp? Seems a pretty fair bet to me.


In addition to which the pricing is known of and approved by the
regulator and deemed to be properly fair and non-discriminatory.

Ah, that would be the same regulatory body that has just told Sky to
sort out its EPG pricing or the body would cap it for them.


But, let me guess, you know better than the regulators as well, of
course?

A trained monkey could do a better job than they do.

Just look at the person who is in charge of it (Tessa Jowel). There's
shenanigans if ever you wanted to see some.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

replicator wrote:

My posting is not about what to do, it is about why. Why you UK people
are restricted so much. Why TV companies can do it with you? What do
they think of you british?

They think **** all of us british. We have a present govt and the last
govt who would sell you down the river for big business. Short of
revolution there's not a lot we can do... and I am too old for
revolution. You ARE a troll. Your post is intended to stir things up.

--
Paul (Hey man wake up and smell the concrete)
------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

f
revolution there's not a lot we can do... and I am too old for
revolution. You ARE a troll. Your post is intended to stir things up.


If you don't stir for yourself someone must. That is why you pay for
CNBC and Fashion TV while other don't

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

replicator wrote:
f
revolution there's not a lot we can do... and I am too old for
revolution. You ARE a troll. Your post is intended to stir things up.


If you don't stir for yourself someone must. That is why you pay for
CNBC and Fashion TV while other don't


The problem is replicator, is that you are 100% correct and people here
don't like Johnny Foreigner coming in and pointing it out. Yes, we are
being totally ripped off. This is rip-off Britain after all, but like
we've always done, most people just keep on paying, whinging
occasionally, complaining about the excessive advertising and on screen
dogs etc. but still paying up each month.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

replicator wrote:

f
revolution there's not a lot we can do... and I am too old for
revolution. You ARE a troll. Your post is intended to stir things up.


If you don't stir for yourself someone must. That is why you pay for
CNBC and Fashion TV while other don't

I pay for a package. Yes, some of it is crap, tough ****, it's my
choice not yours.

--
Paul (Hey man wake up and smell the concrete)
------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Mike wrote:

replicator wrote:
f
revolution there's not a lot we can do... and I am too old for
revolution. You ARE a troll. Your post is intended to stir things up.


If you don't stir for yourself someone must. That is why you pay for
CNBC and Fashion TV while other don't


The problem is replicator, is that you are 100% correct and people here
don't like Johnny Foreigner coming in and pointing it out. Yes, we are
being totally ripped off. This is rip-off Britain after all, but like
we've always done, most people just keep on paying, whinging
occasionally, complaining about the excessive advertising and on screen
dogs etc. but still paying up each month.

Do you have Sky, Mike? Who are you going to complain to? Sky? They'll
laugh. The government? They'll laugh too. Anyone else will say, in
plain words, it's your choice, take it or leave it. You don't HAVE to
have sky.


--
Paul (Hey man wake up and smell the concrete)
------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

If you don't stir for yourself someone must. That is why you pay for
CNBC and Fashion TV while other don't

I pay for a package. Yes, some of it is crap, tough ****, it's my
choice not yours.

--

No. Your choice is 22 or 27.5 MBit symbol rate. Maybe one more. and
that's all.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 2 May 2006 01:28:33 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

If you don't stir for yourself someone must. That is why you pay for
CNBC and Fashion TV while other don't

Except CNBC and Fashion TV are subscription channels in many other
countries as well...


--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 2 May 2006 04:46:33 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

No. Your choice is 22 or 27.5 MBit symbol rate. Maybe one more. and
that's all.

And it's all that's needed. Everything that's anything worth watching
is broadcast at those symbol rates already.

--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

replicator wrote:

If you don't stir for yourself someone must. That is why you pay for
CNBC and Fashion TV while other don't

I pay for a package. Yes, some of it is crap, tough ****, it's my
choice not yours.

--

No. Your choice is 22 or 27.5 MBit symbol rate. Maybe one more. and
that's all.

What? What the hell are you waffling about now?
--
Paul (Hey man wake up and smell the concrete)
------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

You think that. That's why SKy can do this with you.

Now I have my answer. This is the british secret of getting money for
something which is free. thanks.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Mike wrote:

The problem is replicator, is that you are 100% correct and people here
don't like Johnny Foreigner coming in and pointing it out. Yes, we are
being totally ripped off. This is rip-off Britain after all, but like
we've always done, most people just keep on paying, whinging
occasionally, complaining about the excessive advertising and on screen
dogs etc. but still paying up each month.

Indeed.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

"replicator" wrote in message
oups.com...

There is ONE BIG DIFFERENCE. In other countries you can watch the free
CNBC with the same box by which you watch other pay TV channels. With
Sky digibox you can't do that.

You still don't get it do you?
If someone wants to watch **** like CNBC they can do so in the UK by buying
a satellite receiver
Unlike the thick Hungarians who you have shown, will watch any old crap like
CNBC because its "free" and American shows dubbed into some Neanderthal
language by the rent boys whilst not shagging each other, we choose what we
want to watch and not to watch.

I know this will come as a BIG shock to you, but people watch UK Food,
because there is actually more choices of foodstuffs than the Hungarian
staple diet, dead rat.

Now **** off and watch your super free CNBC bull**** will you?

Why you pay for internet access by the way? Are Hungarians that stupid?

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 2 May 2006 10:19:44 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

There is ONE BIG DIFFERENCE. In other countries you can watch the free
CNBC with the same box by which you watch other pay TV channels. With
Sky digibox you can't do that.

... is the wrong answer. A Sky box pointing at Astra 1 can pick up CNBC
Europe (and BBC World, and Sky News International) with no problems at
all.

11.597 V - SR 22,000 - FEC 5/6.

Remind me what your point was, again?

--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:
On 2 May 2006 10:19:44 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

There is ONE BIG DIFFERENCE. In other countries you can watch the free
CNBC with the same box by which you watch other pay TV channels. With
Sky digibox you can't do that.

.. is the wrong answer. A Sky box pointing at Astra 1 can pick up CNBC
Europe (and BBC World, and Sky News International) with no problems at
all.

11.597 V - SR 22,000 - FEC 5/6.

Remind me what your point was, again?

--
Lucky coincidence. But there are many which is free and you can't watch
with sky box. But if this is true, that makes more interesting why it
is payTV on Astra 2... It means someone up there think that the british
viewers are bigger donkey than anyone can imagine.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

"replicator" wrote in message
oups.com...
--
Lucky coincidence. But there are many which is free and you can't watch
with sky box.

ROFLMAO!
You Really are a total ****** aren't you?

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 4 May 2006 12:31:41 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

Zero Tolerance wrote:
.. is the wrong answer. A Sky box pointing at Astra 1 can pick up CNBC
Europe (and BBC World, and Sky News International) with no problems

Lucky coincidence. But there are many which is free and you can't watch
with sky box. But if this is true, that makes more interesting why it
is payTV on Astra 2... It means someone up there think that the british
viewers are bigger donkey than anyone can imagine.

Wrong again. Every single transponder on Astra 1 can be received with
a Sky box. Symbol rates of 22 or 27.5 are the Astra standard. Over on
Hotbird it's the same story - nearly everything is 27.5, the number of
channels that use anything else can be counted on the fingers of one
hand.

CNBC is pay on Astra 2 for the same reason that it's pay as part of
the TPS package, the same reason that it's pay as part of the Cyfra+
package. The same reason that CNN and BBC World are pay as part of the
Viasat package. It's just down to regional differences. There are many
channels which start FTA europe-wide but then join subscription
packages as they become available in individual countries. And that's
their choice. CNBC, CNN, the BBC, Eurosport - they're all the same.

--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:

Every single transponder on Astra 1 can be received with
a Sky box.

It won't find much on Tp 102. Or 49 - 53.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:03:23 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Zero Tolerance wrote:

Every single transponder on Astra 1 can be received with
a Sky box.

It won't find much on Tp 102. Or 49 - 53.

OK, every single transponder that isn't hi-def or ANALOGUE...

--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Wrong again. Every single transponder on Astra 1 can be received with
a Sky box. Symbol rates of 22 or 27.5 are the Astra standard. Over on
Hotbird it's the same story - nearly everything is 27.5, the number of
channels that use anything else can be counted on the fingers of one
hand.

CNBC is pay on Astra 2 for the same reason that it's pay as part of
the TPS package, the same reason that it's pay as part of the Cyfra+
package. The same reason that CNN and BBC World are pay as part of the
Viasat package. It's just down to regional differences. There are many
channels which start FTA europe-wide but then join subscription
packages as they become available in individual countries. And that's
their choice. CNBC, CNN, the BBC, Eurosport - they're all the same.

--

Ok, go he
www.port.hu

see the channel names in red in the main window.
all channels you can find there (I mean ALL) if you wanna watch that's
about 7-8 UKP/month. You can watch 80 % of those channels for 4
UKP/month.
You may recognise some channels. Some are special Hungarian channels.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 5 May 2006 23:11:12 -0700, "replicator" wrote:

Ok, go he
www.port.hu

see the channel names in red in the main window.
all channels you can find there (I mean ALL) if you wanna watch that's
about 7-8 UKP/month. You can watch 80 % of those channels for 4
UKP/month.

A proper price comparison would have to take account of different salary levels
& cost of living between UK & Hungary.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 5 May 2006 23:11:12 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

see the channel names in red in the main window.
all channels you can find there (I mean ALL) if you wanna watch that's
about 7-8 UKP/month. You can watch 80 % of those channels for 4
UKP/month.
You may recognise some channels. Some are special Hungarian channels.

Quite a lot of those channels are free in other countries. Is this
because Hungarian viewers "are bigger donkey than anyone can imagine"?

Or maybe it's just because every country is different?
--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:
On 5 May 2006 23:11:12 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

see the channel names in red in the main window.
all channels you can find there (I mean ALL) if you wanna watch that's
about 7-8 UKP/month. You can watch 80 % of those channels for 4
UKP/month.
You may recognise some channels. Some are special Hungarian channels.

Quite a lot of those channels are free in other countries. Is this
because Hungarian viewers "are bigger donkey than anyone can imagine"?

Or maybe it's just because every country is different?
--

0. Which channels are free and in which countries? in the UK? I was
talking about UK and british viewers in the whole time so don't compare
if for example the finnish people can watch Viasat free!
Is Discovery free in the UK? National Geographic? VH1? Eurosport? TCM
? Boomerang? Hallmark?

1. Our pay TV channels are free of commercial breaks. Yours aren't. We
don't pay for commercial. You pay to watch commercial.

2. Our channels are not directed by one big company (SKY). Our boxes
are free to watch any symbol rate digital TV while allowing payTV
channels.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

"replicator" wrote in message
oups.com...

1. Our pay TV channels are free of commercial breaks. Yours aren't. We
don't pay for commercial. You pay to watch commercial.

2. Our channels are not directed by one big company (SKY). Our boxes
are free to watch any symbol rate digital TV while allowing payTV
channels.

So how many Hungarian owned and produced High Definition channels do you
have that are free then?

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Big Al wrote:
"replicator" wrote in message
oups.com...

1. Our pay TV channels are free of commercial breaks. Yours aren't. We
don't pay for commercial. You pay to watch commercial.

2. Our channels are not directed by one big company (SKY). Our boxes
are free to watch any symbol rate digital TV while allowing payTV
channels.

So how many Hungarian owned and produced High Definition channels do you
have that are free then?

you still don't see. I don't care if a channel is Hungarian or not.
Only important is it is entertaining or not. Free or not. cheap or not.
Shows me my interest or not. Don't give a damn where it is from.

What you pay for SKY you get 90 % of ****. We get 20 % of **** for
1/10th of money. it is impossible for a Hungarian to pusgh "channel up"
and seeing nothing but 20-30 shopping channels channel after channel.
Or some animated dogs running on the screen for money.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 6 May 2006 05:33:28 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

0. Which channels are free and in which countries? in the UK? I was
talking about UK and british viewers in the whole time so don't compare
if for example the finnish people can watch Viasat free!

Ah, so you ARE here just to bash the UK, then?

Is Discovery free in the UK? National Geographic? VH1? Eurosport? TCM
? Boomerang? Hallmark?

Well if charging for "free" channels is so awful then why do Hungarian
viewers pay for the Extreme Sports Channel? Why do they pay for the
Sailing Channel? I can't imagine why you would pay for the Travel
Channel. Why do you pay for Reality TV? You're paying for the
Soundtrack channel? What's wrong with you? CNN is a news channel. Why
you pay for that? Why you pay for TV5, for RTL, for SAT1, for Pro7,
for Vox, for RTL2, for 3Sat, for ARD, for TVE, for ARTE? Why you pay
for Fashion TV, or Al Jazeera, or Euronews.. or even CNBC, the very
channel that you think we shouldn't have to pay for....


--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:
On 6 May 2006 05:33:28 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

0. Which channels are free and in which countries? in the UK? I was
talking about UK and british viewers in the whole time so don't compare
if for example the finnish people can watch Viasat free!

Ah, so you ARE here just to bash the UK, then?

Is Discovery free in the UK? National Geographic? VH1? Eurosport? TCM
? Boomerang? Hallmark?

Well if charging for "free" channels is so awful then why do Hungarian
viewers pay for the Extreme Sports Channel? Why do they pay for the
Sailing Channel? I can't imagine why you would pay for the Travel
Channel. Why do you pay for Reality TV? You're paying for the
Soundtrack channel? What's wrong with you? CNN is a news channel. Why
you pay for that? Why you pay for TV5, for RTL, for SAT1, for Pro7,
for Vox, for RTL2, for 3Sat, for ARD, for TVE, for ARTE? Why you pay
for Fashion TV, or Al Jazeera, or Euronews.. or even CNBC, the very
channel that you think we shouldn't have to pay for....


We pay for these channels on cable. But when subscribing to the same
channels on satellite, they are free with the receiver. I never
questioned your cable systems why they as money for free channels. I
was talking the whole time about your satellite service. Still don't
understand? Our satellite PAY TV system uses a receiver which symbol
ratre can be anything so we can watch with it CNBC, fashion, etc free.
Even better! Our receivers (if you choose) can have 2 CAM slots so even
can watch two different subscription system !

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

On 7 May 2006 01:50:24 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

I was talking the whole time about your satellite service. Still don't
understand? Our satellite PAY TV system uses a receiver which symbol
ratre can be anything so we can watch with it CNBC, fashion, etc free.

Well our satellite pay tv system uses a receiver which picks up symbol
rates used by 99.9% of channels broadcast on any significant
satellite. That'll do just fine, thanks.

--

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Zero Tolerance wrote:
On 7 May 2006 01:50:24 -0700, "replicator"
wrote:

I was talking the whole time about your satellite service. Still don't
understand? Our satellite PAY TV system uses a receiver which symbol
ratre can be anything so we can watch with it CNBC, fashion, etc free.

Well our satellite pay tv system uses a receiver which picks up symbol
rates used by 99.9% of channels broadcast on any significant
satellite. That'll do just fine, thanks.

--

I doubt the 99.9 % true, and even if it were, you just can't put a
channel to an EPG. You have to use very difficult "other channels"
setup. SKY knows british are lazy and won't watch much of channels SKY
doesn't put into EPG. With our satellite pay TV receivers we can put
any channel to our EPG so we decide on which number is which channel.
I can kill all shopping channel from the EPG if I want. You can't .
they are there on sky digibox and can't escape them.

Why you pay for Sky ?
 

Mike Henry wrote:

I can kill all shopping channel from the EPG if I want. You can't .
they are there on sky digibox and can't escape them.

False.

You can't actually remove them from the Sky EPG or the search and scan
banner. You can configure the personal EPG settings to only show
favourites but the channels are still there.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)