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So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

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"The People's Champion." wrote in message
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So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

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"The People's Champion." wrote in message
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"The People's Champion." wrote in message
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So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

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3 yard protection zone set up - that's a relief I 'm sure, swans don't
get about much do they?

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"The People's Champion." wrote in message
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"The People's Champion." wrote in message
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So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

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No doubt the will announce it is H5N1 (not just H5) next week,
afterall supermarket and farmers profits are more important than
public health.

What %age of dead birds are actually tested for H5N1?
My guess is about 1 in 10,000 or less, the country is and probably
has been riddled with the disease for weeks if not months.

All the big interests are against finding this disease.

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In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:

"The People's Champion." wrote in message
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So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

Opps wrong group, forwarding to uk.legal and misc

It's just as wrong there as here. What chances do you think you have of
catching bird flu if you don't live with birds in your house and slaughter
them on the kitchen table with no regard to normal standards of hygiene?

Hint: No chance or as near makes no difference.

And you cannot have vaccine for the human version until the human version of
the flu actually exists.

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In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:
All the big interests are against finding this disease.

And presumably the Americans didn't land on the Moon, 911 is a CIA plot, and
Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:39:51 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote the following to uk.misc:

In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:

"The People's Champion." wrote in message
...
So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

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It's just as wrong there as here. What chances do you think you have of
catching bird flu if you don't live with birds in your house and slaughter
them on the kitchen table with no regard to normal standards of hygiene?

There does seem to be a missing sense of proportion regarding bird flu.
Salmonella is much more infectious but apart from the Edwina Currie fuss in
the 80s the tabloids don't get so wound up about it. Interesting that
necrotising fasciitis (the "flesh eating killer bug") has been absent from
the tabloids over the last few years and MRSA seems to be dropping out of
the reports as well. What are the chances that bird flu will be forgotten
when another scary bug gets into the press?

uk.tech.digital-tv removed from followups.

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John Cartmell wrote:

Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

bloody hell, I knew there was something dodgy about him! How much is
the reward at present?

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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:39:51 +0100, John Cartmell wrote:

In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:

"The People's Champion." wrote in message
...
So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

Opps wrong group, forwarding to uk.legal and misc

It's just as wrong there as here. What chances do you think you have of
catching bird flu if you don't live with birds in your house and slaughter
them on the kitchen table with no regard to normal standards of hygiene?

Hint: No chance or as near makes no difference.

And you cannot have vaccine for the human version until the human version of
the flu actually exists.

Bet you might find a drugs salesman who could convince you otherwise ;-(

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In article [email protected] ouse.con,
Grassy Knollington wrote:
And you cannot have vaccine for the human version until the human version
of the flu actually exists.

Bet you might find a drugs salesman who could convince you otherwise ;-(

Probably Chinese. Find one and get them thrown out of business - please.

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Andrew Cox wrote:


Even so, what's the betting that they will be a Bird Flu Czar by the
end of the week, to run the War On Bird Flu? If only birds had ID
cards, we'd know which one's were sick.

Probably not - I think there'll be a dual strand approach; outwardly
lots of spin to demonstrate that they are in control (yeah, right!) but
in reality, they'll be taking no practical measures. After all, the
less money the Treasury spends on prevention means there's more to go
round on pensions for the survivors! :)

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In uk.tech.digital-tv Andrew Cox wrote:
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:39:51 +0100, John Cartmell wrote:
snip

It's just as wrong there as here. What chances do you think you have of
catching bird flu if you don't live with birds in your house and slaughter
them on the kitchen table with no regard to normal standards of hygiene?

Hint: No chance or as near makes no difference.

And you cannot have vaccine for the human version until the human version of
the flu actually exists.

Even so, what's the betting that they will be a Bird Flu Czar by the
end of the week, to run the War On Bird Flu? If only birds had ID
cards, we'd know which one's were sick.

Not to mention, the DEFRA chief coming on TV next week, to apologise for
the mistaken mass killing of everyone in the Sudbury Birds Custard
factory.

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In message , Andrew Cox
writes


Best to avoid Swan Vesta Curries, though.

Are they the really hot ones?

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Andrew Cox wrote:
|| On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:20:44 +0100, Tone wrote:
||
|| snip
|||
||| And look on the bright side.
||| The price of Chickens for your dinner will go way down.
||
|| Best to avoid Swan Vesta Curries, though.
||
Don't make 'light' of it, if the disease mutates it might turn out to be our
swansong!


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|| --
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|| But it ended up ho hum

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"John Cartmell" wrote in message
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In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:
All the big interests are against finding this disease.

And presumably the Americans didn't land on the Moon, 911 is a CIA plot,
and
Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

I doubt you will be scoffing when you are gasping for breath.


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In article , The People's Champion.
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , The People's Champion.
wrote:
All the big interests are against finding this disease.

And presumably the Americans didn't land on the Moon, 911 is a CIA plot,
and Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

I doubt you will be scoffing when you are gasping for breath.

Like all the scientists involved I am very scared of the potentialities of
bird flu mutated to a human form. Irrelevant scare stories don't help you
prepare for the real thing.

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"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , The People's
Champion.
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , The People's
Champion.
wrote:
All the big interests are against finding this disease.

And presumably the Americans didn't land on the Moon, 911 is a CIA
plot,
and Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

I doubt you will be scoffing when you are gasping for breath.

Like all the scientists involved I am very scared of the potentialities of
bird flu mutated to a human form. Irrelevant scare stories don't help you
prepare for the real thing.

However it is not an irrelevant "scare story", there is a very real
and grave danger which is not helped by the foolish behaviour
of the government which puts profits before lives.

Their main message, that it is safe to eat cooked chicken and
eggs is folly. The bird you are preparing, or the egg you
are cracking may already be infected with bird flu so you
are handling the flesh and fluids of an infected bird.
But that is a risk you *must* take otherwise the directors
of your local supermarket might miss their annuall bonus.

Ask yourself one question, have you seen Blair, a member
of the RSPB, a member of the farmers union, or a
supermarket barron *handling* a raw egg or raw chicken
yet?

I haven't which is a surprise.

This bird was found a *week* ago.










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In article , The People's Champion.
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , The People's
Champion.
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , The People's
Champion. wrote:
All the big interests are against finding this disease.

And presumably the Americans didn't land on the Moon, 911 is a CIA
plot, and Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

I doubt you will be scoffing when you are gasping for breath.

Like all the scientists involved I am very scared of the potentialities of
bird flu mutated to a human form. Irrelevant scare stories don't help you
prepare for the real thing.

However it is not an irrelevant "scare story", there is a very real
and grave danger which is not helped by the foolish behaviour
of the government which puts profits before lives.

What is the real danger that you perceive?

Their main message, that it is safe to eat cooked chicken and
eggs is folly.

Evidence?

The bird you are preparing, or the egg you are cracking may already be
infected with bird flu so you are handling the flesh and fluids of an
infected bird. But that is a risk you *must* take otherwise the directors
of your local supermarket might miss their annuall bonus.

No problem. If that's your fear then turn vegan now. Now tell me of one person
that has been made ill of bird flu through eating eggs or flesh - or through
handling the animals in a way normal and expected in this country.

Ask yourself one question, have you seen Blair, a member of the RSPB, a
member of the farmers union, or a supermarket barron *handling* a raw egg
or raw chicken yet?

Yes.

I haven't which is a surprise.

!!

This bird was found a *week* ago.

I think there are details of this that is yet to be clarified - but it doesn't
make your silly scare story any more relevant.

NB Do be afraid of the way birds are handled in places like Turkey, SE Asia, -
or worst South China. That's where there is the likeliest chance of a mutation
that will cross to humans and that - probably after the Chinese New Year
holiday - is where it will escape into the world.

Then implement your plans to cut yourself off from the rest of the world for 3
- 24 months. :-((










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Ask yourself one question, have you seen Blair, a member of the RSPB, a
member of the farmers union, or a supermarket barron *handling* a raw
egg
or raw chicken yet?

Yes.



Please supply the link.

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In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:
Ask yourself one question, have you seen Blair, a member of the RSPB, a
member of the farmers union, or a supermarket barron *handling* a raw
egg or raw chicken yet?

Yes.

Please supply the link.

You'll have to take my word that I saw a member of the RSPB make an omelette
last night.

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John Cartmell wrote:
You'll have to take my word that I saw a member of the RSPB make an
omelette last night.

Are you sure that wasn't some kind of surreal dream?

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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:54:04 +0100, Andrew Cox
wrote the following to uk.misc:

On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:20:44 +0100, Tone wrote:

snip

And look on the bright side.
The price of Chickens for your dinner will go way down.

Best to avoid Swan Vesta Curries, though.

Is that related to bird flu or just a useful piece of advice?

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In article ,
Pyriform wrote:
John Cartmell wrote:
You'll have to take my word that I saw a member of the RSPB make an
omelette last night.

Are you sure that wasn't some kind of surreal dream?

If it was it tasted good! ;-)

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"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:
All the big interests are against finding this disease.

And presumably the Americans didn't land on the Moon, 911 is a CIA
plot, and
Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

And 'The People's Champion' is not paranoid


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"The People's Champion." wrote in message
...

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , The People's
Champion.
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article , The People's
Champion.
wrote:
All the big interests are against finding this disease.

And presumably the Americans didn't land on the Moon, 911 is a
CIA
plot,
and Tony Blair is Lord Lucan.

I doubt you will be scoffing when you are gasping for breath.

Like all the scientists involved I am very scared of the
potentialities of
bird flu mutated to a human form. Irrelevant scare stories don't help
you
prepare for the real thing.

However it is not an irrelevant "scare story", there is a very real
and grave danger which is not helped by the foolish behaviour
of the government which puts profits before lives.

Their main message, that it is safe to eat cooked chicken and
eggs is folly. The bird you are preparing, or the egg you
are cracking may already be infected with bird flu so you
are handling the flesh and fluids of an infected bird.
But that is a risk you *must* take otherwise the directors
of your local supermarket might miss their annuall bonus.

Ask yourself one question, have you seen Blair, a member
of the RSPB, a member of the farmers union, or a
supermarket barron *handling* a raw egg or raw chicken
yet?

I haven't which is a surprise.

This bird was found a *week* ago.


FFS sake, it was a *swan*. How many of those do you find on a
supermarkets shelves?


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Andrew Cox wrote:

On 06 Apr 2006 09:51:04 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:
snip
Not to mention, the DEFRA chief coming on TV next week, to apologise for
the mistaken mass killing of everyone in the Sudbury Birds Custard
factory.

And in other news:

A lynch mob in Catford mistakenly kills several brides.

The Daily Mail says "Send them all home".

ITV launches new program "100 worst flu deaths".

Ha! The ITV lunchtime news had the "ITV News Bird Flu Bus".

--

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Peter Hayes wrote:
Andrew Cox wrote:

On 06 Apr 2006 09:51:04 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:
snip
Not to mention, the DEFRA chief coming on TV next week, to
apologise for the mistaken mass killing of everyone in the Sudbury
Birds Custard factory.

And in other news:

A lynch mob in Catford mistakenly kills several brides.

The Daily Mail says "Send them all home".

ITV launches new program "100 worst flu deaths".

Ha! The ITV lunchtime news had the "ITV News Bird Flu Bus".

Fantastic.

But it does make me yearn for the overblown graphics and self-important
presentational style of "The Day Today"...

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In message , Him over
there writes

FFS sake, it was a *swan*. How many of those do you find on a
supermarkets shelves?

You clearly need to shop at a better grade of supermarket, they're
normally just down the aisle from the lark's tongue in aspic.

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In article , John Cartmell
writes
In article ,
The People's Champion. wrote:

"The People's Champion." wrote in message
...
So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

Opps wrong group, forwarding to uk.legal and misc

It's just as wrong there as here. What chances do you think you have of
catching bird flu if you don't live with birds in your house and slaughter
them on the kitchen table with no regard to normal standards of hygiene?

Hint: No chance or as near makes no difference.

And you cannot have vaccine for the human version until the human version of
the flu actually exists.


Anyone remember the Millennium Bug scare? That died a natural death
didn't it?
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"Mike Lindsay" wrote in message

Anyone remember the Millennium Bug scare? That died a natural death
didn't it?

Oi! I was worth every penny of the ridiculously inflated salary paid just to
keep a Novell 3.1 box ticking.

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In article ,
Mike Lindsay wrote:
Anyone remember the Millennium Bug scare? That died a natural death
didn't it?

At what cost? ISTR the people responsible for the deliberately engineered (?*)
problem being the ones that made their fortunes out of it. :-(

*I can't imagine them being so stupid as to do it by accident.

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"The People's Champion." wrote in message
...
So have you had your vacination?
Doesn't the government have a legal duty to protect it citizens?

The state has the obligation to educate people to type properly and/or know
some grammar!

"protect it citizens"!! Really!


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John Porcella wrote:

The state has the obligation to educate people to type properly
and/or know some grammar!

"protect it citizens"!! Really!

Oh, sod it - that's enough of that. Someone who insults the simplest
typo, makes mistakes himself, seldom comments on relevant
issues on this ng, and, when he does, makes inconsequential remarks
late in the thread when the real points have already been made - I'm
blocking this idiot.

André Coutanche

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In article ,
Andrew Cox wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:41:40 +0100, John Cartmell wrote:

In article ,
Mike Lindsay wrote:
Anyone remember the Millennium Bug scare? That died a natural death
didn't it?

At what cost? ISTR the people responsible for the deliberately engineered (?*)
problem being the ones that made their fortunes out of it. :-(

Who are these People Responsible? An elite gang who broke into systems
all over the world, and hacked code to make it fail, or are you
suggesting some sort of global conspiracy amongst programmers? And the
people who made money were largely unnecessary consultants(1), who
would otherwise just have been making money getting in the way of some
other project.

*I can't imagine them being so stupid as to do it by accident.

Do what by accident? Go from 1999 to 2000? Please elaborate.

Most people had realised that 1999 was followed by 2000 and had known and
appreciated that for some time. Computer systems designers had taken it into
account in plenty of time. Some had not expected their systems to be running
by the turn of the century and can be forgiven for problems with their systems
of 30+ years earlier.
Microsoft didn't have that excuse but were the main beneficiaries when even
their very recent systems needed to be upgraded.

(1) Some may say that the word unnecessary is itself unnecessary here,
but I've actually met maybe four consultants who were actually worth
their salary in the last 23 years.

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On 8 Apr 2006 11:55:16 GMT, Huge
wrote the following to uk.misc:


(* Why won't Gnome do pound signs?)

I suppose you can't expect free software to do money.

BTW, how are you getting on with the stuff I sent you a week or so ago?

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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:55:16 +0000, Huge wrote:

Damn right. I got GBP900 (*) just for staying up and having a row with
SWMBO.

(* Why won't Gnome do pound signs?)

It does it here. Run gnome-control-center, click keyboard and go to the
keyboard layout tab. It should have "United Kingdom" in the list and
selected as the default.

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Cook played in The Wrong Box wrote
"Mike Lindsay" wrote in message

Anyone remember the Millennium Bug scare? That died a natural death
didn't it?

Oi! I was worth every penny of the ridiculously inflated salary paid just to
keep a Novell 3.1 box ticking.


Britain spent millions on bug related activities during the run-up to
the Millennium. Italy spent practically nothing. The outcome was the
same in both countries.
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"Alan" wrote in message

Britain spent millions on bug related activities during the run-up to the
Millennium. Italy spent practically nothing. The outcome was the same in
both countries.

Absolutely. When I get back to work, remind me to tell the bosses about the
ever present threat from the Italian IT industry.

I believe they have a lot of people called Alan.