Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

Nigel Barker wrote:

The EU requires it. This dates back quite some time.

I though that the EU required provision of a Videoguard CAM too.

Not AFAIK.


More non-Sky receivers now seem to be capable of interpreting the Sky
EPG data. My Echostar can't but it is rather old. I don't think that
any can use the series link functionality.

Have you got a pointer to one?

Nothing that I have seen myself. I have heard it from several people
who have them though.

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Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

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"Mal Franks" wrote in message
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The Sky+ sub is only for the Sky+ features.
In which case, if you want both, then yes £20
i assume you'll need to pay for the + features if you want to record HD
broadcasts though :/

Well duh, yes. Didn't I make that clear?

Loz



actually no, not being a Sky+ owner I wasn't sure whether the recording
facilities require subscription or not. AFAIK you were paying for the
EPG and series recording features, and perhaps at least the option to
manually set a timer for those who didn't shell out.

Getting Sky HD but not getting the + service would be a bit of a waste
of money as your £299 includes paying for the + gubbins inside the box
that'll be of sod all use to you unless you cough up an extra £10 :)

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

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Getting Sky HD but not getting the + service would be a bit of a waste
of money as your £299 includes paying for the + gubbins inside the box
that'll be of sod all use to you unless you cough up an extra £10 :)


£399 even

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

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"Mal Franks" wrote in message
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The Sky+ sub is only for the Sky+ features.
In which case, if you want both, then yes £20
i assume you'll need to pay for the + features if you want to record HD
broadcasts though :/

Well duh, yes. Didn't I make that clear?

Loz

tbh I wasn't sure whether Sky+ without a subscription would function in
a more minimal way or not as I've never had an interest in getting one

a) rarely do i want to watch two programmes which clash and if they do
one is usually on a free-to-air terrestrial channel

b) my recorders (currently a Sony RDR-HXD910S) have been sufficient for
timeshifting SD transmissions.

Personally I'd prefer not to shell out a few hundred for a box and only
be able to use half of its features. The purchaser has paid for the
hardware so why can't they even record a programme on it manually and
choose not to have access to the 2nd tuner facility?

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Mal Franks" wrote in message
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Personally I'd prefer not to shell out a few hundred for a box and only
be able to use half of its features. The purchaser has paid for the
hardware so why can't they even record a programme on it manually and
choose not to have access to the 2nd tuner facility?

This is such an old arguement it isn't worth having all over again.
This is the way it is with Sky+.
You either take or you leave it.
No one if forcing you to buy a Sky HD or Sky + box.
Buy an FTA HD PVR box from elsewhere if you don't want to pay Sky
Subscriptions.
Pretty simple really

Loz

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

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says...

"Mal Franks" wrote in message
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Personally I'd prefer not to shell out a few hundred for a box and only
be able to use half of its features. The purchaser has paid for the
hardware so why can't they even record a programme on it manually and
choose not to have access to the 2nd tuner facility?

This is such an old arguement it isn't worth having all over again.
This is the way it is with Sky+.
You either take or you leave it.
No one if forcing you to buy a Sky HD or Sky + box.
Buy an FTA HD PVR box from elsewhere if you don't want to pay Sky
Subscriptions.
Pretty simple really

Loz


This is slightly different to the Sky+ issue because of DRM, the only
way to timeshift Sky HD service's programmng will be paying for the Sky+
style subscription.

At least with regular Sky Digital-based programmes anyone is able to
record to an external PVR from a Digibox and avoid Sky+ and the
associated subscription.

But with Sky's High Definition programmes, thanks to DRM crap, if you
want to record them you'll have to watch the shows as they're
transmitted or pay for their + service or else tough luck.

As a result, you won't have the option of hooking up a 3rd party HD PVR
and recording onto that instead.

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Mal Franks" wrote in message
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This is such an old arguement it isn't worth having all over again.
This is the way it is with Sky+.
You either take or you leave it.
No one if forcing you to buy a Sky HD or Sky + box.
Buy an FTA HD PVR box from elsewhere if you don't want to pay Sky
Subscriptions.
Pretty simple really
This is slightly different to the Sky+ issue because of DRM, the only
way to timeshift Sky HD service's programmng will be paying for the Sky+
style subscription.

At least with regular Sky Digital-based programmes anyone is able to
record to an external PVR from a Digibox and avoid Sky+ and the
associated subscription.

But with Sky's High Definition programmes, thanks to DRM crap, if you
want to record them you'll have to watch the shows as they're
transmitted or pay for their + service or else tough luck.

As a result, you won't have the option of hooking up a 3rd party HD PVR
and recording onto that instead.

Sky have not actually said that HDCP will be switched on all the time - if
at all.
And they will output a component HD signal without HDCP.

But precisely which 3rd party HD Recorder would you use?
They don't exist yet. (apart from the older video tape based systems used in
the US)

You can buy an FTA HD PVR box, but this doesn't have a sky cam slot of
course.

Sky HD will have regular SD output so you can continue to use that - albeit
in SD of course.

Loz

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Sky have not actually said that HDCP will be switched on all the time - if
at all.
And they will output a component HD signal without HDCP.


True, for Sky's own content but iirc non-Sky owned channels will be
allowed to have it enabled and in time I'm sure Sky's channels will also
enable it especially when it comes to movies and the MPAA start leaning
on them to implement it ;)


But precisely which 3rd party HD Recorder would you use?
They don't exist yet. (apart from the older video tape based systems used in
the US)

You can buy an FTA HD PVR box, but this doesn't have a sky cam slot of
course.

Indeed, I'd be surprised if there would be any 3rd party ones because of
DRM issues so people who want to record will be lumbered with the Sky+
service.

Of course the introduction of DRM isn't really Sky's fault but their
tight control over access to their service means they will have a
monopoly on Sky HD capable PVRs when it comes to subscriptions for their
HD programmes.



Sky HD will have regular SD output so you can continue to use that - albeit
in SD of course.

Loz

That is a redeeming feature though of course if you're paying for an HD
service you'd like to be able to watch all content in HD, but at least
we'll still be able to send programmes to our bedroom via our DigiSender
Gold.

Of course the cable companies aren't any better when it comes to putting
the squeeze on customers - in their case they force you subscribe to
their phone service as well!

Have a Nebula card in my PVR pc and that's already usable in Australia
for recording terrestrial digital HD programmes, pity we're so far
behind.

At least, in theory anyway, when it's available, we should have more
control over recording terrestrial HD, just a pity we have to wait for
the slowcoaches to switch from analogue so they can that off and this on
:P

Mal

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

Mal Franks wrote:

AFAIK you were paying for the
EPG and series recording features, and perhaps at least the option to
manually set a timer for those who didn't shell out.

No, the EPG is provided free of charge to all Sky digiboxes regardless
of whether one has a sub or not.
The "+" payment is purely to enable (or rather to stop disabling) the
recording function.


Getting Sky HD but not getting the + service would be a bit of a waste
of money as your £299 includes paying for the + gubbins inside the box
that'll be of sod all use to you unless you cough up an extra £10 :)

Yes. Given that the gubbins has already been entirely paid for it
would seem reasonable to be able to use it without having to pay a
monthly fee for so doing.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
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No monies return'd. ;-)

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

Mal Franks wrote:

The purchaser has paid for the
hardware so why can't they even record a programme on it manually and
choose not to have access to the 2nd tuner facility?

The purchaser has already paid fully for both functions and therefore
should have full use of them without any monthly fee.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

loz wrote:

This is such an old arguement it isn't worth having all over again.

Yes, it is.


This is the way it is with Sky+.
You either take or you leave it.

Ostrich.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

In article ,
h says...
Mal Franks wrote:

The purchaser has paid for the
hardware so why can't they even record a programme on it manually and
choose not to have access to the 2nd tuner facility?

The purchaser has already paid fully for both functions and therefore
should have full use of them without any monthly fee.


Well having a 2nd tuner does mean that you can watch one set of
programmes and record another simultanously, normally this would have
entailed the purchase of a 2nd digibox and a 2nd subscription.

So I can see the point of charging £10 for access to a 2nd subscription,
however if you don't pay the £10 IMHO they should allow you to at least
record to the hard disk but stop access to the 2nd tuner or limit you to
one subscription channel and one FTA channel perhaps.

Mal

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

Mal Franks wrote:

The purchaser has already paid fully for both functions and therefore
should have full use of them without any monthly fee.


Well having a 2nd tuner does mean that you can watch one set of
programmes and record another simultanously, normally this would have
entailed the purchase of a 2nd digibox and a 2nd subscription.

Maybe, but you can only output one at a time. Therefore the net result
is the same. When one considers that virtually every programme on a
pay channel is repeated endlessly you are in fact paying £10 for
timeshifting, not for two tuners.


So I can see the point of charging £10 for access to a 2nd subscription,

I can see *a* point though I don't think that it is particularly
valid.


however if you don't pay the £10 IMHO they should allow you to at least
record to the hard disk but stop access to the 2nd tuner or limit you to
one subscription channel and one FTA channel perhaps.

Indeed.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Jomtien" wrote in message
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This is such an old arguement it isn't worth having all over again.
Yes, it is.

No it isn't.
It isn't important.
Global warming is important.
What Sky charge to record TV programmes isn't

This is the way it is with Sky+.
You either take or you leave it.
Ostrich.

No.
I just decided to get on with life rather than still argue there should be
no Sky+ sub after 2 years of doing so.
I was like you very critical for a long time in this forum of the Sky+ sub.
But I decided to move on.

As it is, I don't pay it anyway because of my subscription package.
So it is doubly not worth argueing about any more - at least from my
perspective

Loz

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"loz" wrote in message
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No it isn't.
It isn't important.
Global warming is important.
What Sky charge to record TV programmes isn't


No its not. it does not matter what you do, one day that big yellow ball in
the sky will explode and so will the earth. Global warming will matter not a
jot.
Just enjoy your won time on this planet and **** the rest :-)

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:27:48 +0100 "olympus"
waved a wand and this message
magically appeared:

Just enjoy your won time on this planet and **** the rest :-)

Your children (if any) won't thank you for that.

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I have always found Scotland fascinating. They take barley and water
and create something more expensive than petrol - Kwame Owino

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Alex Buell" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:27:48 +0100 "olympus"
waved a wand and this message
magically appeared:

Just enjoy your won time on this planet and **** the rest :-)

Your children (if any) won't thank you for that.

Why not? it aint gonna come to an end in their lifetime, or they could die
in the next sixty seconds.

Stop worrying about how you are gonna die, the fact is that you, your
children and their children will die regardless of global warming or not.