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Ed March 22nd 06 12:01 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


steeler March 22nd 06 01:51 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


She night think it is up for wank but I will eat my hat of they do not
charge a substantial fee. The box will be £300+ too.



Siggy March 22nd 06 03:10 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"steeler" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


She night think it is up for wank but I will eat my hat of they do not
charge a substantial fee. The box will be £300+ too.


What type of hat have you got? At most it will be a tenner which is hardly
substantial.

Siggy



Heracles Pollux March 22nd 06 03:24 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!




Ed has a point.

BSKYB, as most people now know, is crap. Tired old movies, awful
presentation, annoying software, which you could get more of the same on
FREEVIEW for, erm, free.

SKY HD will be like Sky Plus two years ago. The FREEVIEW-killer: the one
reason to pay for Sky and not get yourself a Topfield TF5800 and don't pay
again.

SKY HD could be the only reason to want to pay for TV.

It defies the law of common sense how Sky can month on month increase its
subscriber base yet they do. You've go to hand it to Sky. These guys could
sell ice to eskimos.





Heracles Pollux March 22nd 06 03:30 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 



Ed has a point.

BSKYB, as most people now know, is crap. Tired old movies, awful
presentation, annoying software, which you could get more of the same on
FREEVIEW for, erm, free.

SKY HD will be like Sky Plus two years ago. The FREEVIEW-killer: the one
reason to pay for Sky and not get yourself a Topfield TF5800 and don't pay
again.

SKY HD could be the only reason to want to pay for TV.

It defies the law of common sense how Sky can month on month increase its
subscriber base yet they do. You've go to hand it to Sky. These guys could
sell ice to eskimos.






Just to add that if I were Sky, I would question whether I would want my
suppliers making anything but Sky HD boxes from now on.

For Sky to want to direct all new customers direct to the invincible Sky HD
platform only and to commence migrating its high value customer base to Sky
HD gives it major advantage over its rivals.

The timing of this would be based on some algebraic formulae.

Something like Demand over price resistance divided by churn multiplied by
cost of upgrade less cost of rival platform impact over time.



Heracles Pollux March 22nd 06 03:50 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Something like Demand over price resistance divided by churn multiplied by
cost of upgrade less cost of rival platform impact over time.


Plus the fact that Joe Chav seems completely happy to pay £1500 for a
huge plasma or LCD screen which is HD ready, so presumably he's also
got a couple of hundred quid that he's already put aside (mentally, not
physically - credit card debt will finance it as usual) for his HD box.



And just wait to the $ky marketing starts... Jesus Christ's second coming
himself could be out-gunned by how Sky marketing will present this.




Heracles Pollux March 22nd 06 04:11 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
And just wait to the $ky marketing starts... Jesus Christ's second coming
himself could be out-gunned by how Sky marketing will present this.


Their current advert web site sky.com/hd is crap, and there are a few
leaflets in various electrical stores. The calm before the storm?




The ****-wit goldfish advert campaign (the irony) is still in full steam
especially on day time TV.

Adverts often portray the ****-wit public as enterprises perceive their
customers. So a talking goldfish tells one to procure Sky and people do.
Well I suppose you would have to be goldfish to need logos to remind you of
the channel you selected and so you forget the quantity of repeats that
fills the digital ecology.





steeler March 22nd 06 04:57 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Siggy" wrote in message
...

"steeler" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


She night think it is up for wank but I will eat my hat of they do not
charge a substantial fee. The box will be £300+ too.


What type of hat have you got? At most it will be a tenner which is hardly
substantial.


It is a trilby. The forfeit lies not only in the loss of a £100 hat but the
mastication and digesting of said hat.



steeler March 22nd 06 05:01 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
And just wait to the $ky marketing starts... Jesus Christ's second
coming himself could be out-gunned by how Sky marketing will present
this.


Their current advert web site sky.com/hd is crap, and there are a few
leaflets in various electrical stores. The calm before the storm?




The ****-wit goldfish advert campaign (the irony) is still in full steam
especially on day time TV.

Adverts often portray the ****-wit public as enterprises perceive their
customers. So a talking goldfish tells one to procure Sky and people do.
Well I suppose you would have to be goldfish to need logos to remind you
of the channel you selected and so you forget the quantity of repeats that
fills the digital ecology.



They will need to show some marketing skill to sell what is on offer. HD
sport (mostly watched down the pub), Artsworld (yeah, chavs love watching
opera in HD), National Geographic (see Artsworld) and Sky One - where
they have already admitted that half the programs will be upscaled versions
rather than native HD.



John Cartmell March 22nd 06 05:34 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
In article ,
steeler wrote:

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
And just wait to the $ky marketing starts... Jesus Christ's second
coming himself could be out-gunned by how Sky marketing will present
this.


Their current advert web site sky.com/hd is crap, and there are a few
leaflets in various electrical stores. The calm before the storm?


The ****-wit goldfish advert campaign (the irony) is still in full steam
especially on day time TV.


Adverts often portray the ****-wit public as enterprises perceive their
customers. So a talking goldfish tells one to procure Sky and people do.
Well I suppose you would have to be goldfish to need logos to remind you
of the channel you selected and so you forget the quantity of repeats that
fills the digital ecology.


They will need to show some marketing skill to sell what is on offer. HD
sport (mostly watched down the pub), Artsworld (yeah, chavs love watching
opera in HD), National Geographic (see Artsworld) and Sky One - where
they have already admitted that half the programs will be upscaled versions
rather than native HD.


They will have to avoid the term HD about individual programmes but will put
on more at higher quality than today (not difficult) and let people think
those are HD. I'll save my money and make do with whatever programmes are
broadcast on Freeview in the same quality as Planet Earth.

--
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Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
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No-One March 22nd 06 05:45 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


What I'm interested to know is will it be like sky+ in that the extra free
will be needed to enable all HD functionality? Or will it only be an extra
sub for sky's HD packages? I wouldn't want to be forced to pay money to sky
just to get HD services from the BBC.



steeler March 22nd 06 07:07 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"No-One" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


What I'm interested to know is will it be like sky+ in that the extra free
will be needed to enable all HD functionality? Or will it only be an extra
sub for sky's HD packages? I wouldn't want to be forced to pay money to
sky just to get HD services from the BBC.


Well as HD services are over a year off on the sky platform they will have
plenty of time to decide.



Tumbleweed March 22nd 06 07:30 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Ed" wrote in message
roups.com...

Something like Demand over price resistance divided by churn multiplied by
cost of upgrade less cost of rival platform impact over time.


Plus the fact that Joe Chav seems completely happy to pay £1500 for a
huge plasma or LCD screen which is HD ready, so presumably he's also
got a couple of hundred quid that he's already put aside (mentally, not
physically - credit card debt will finance it as usual) for his HD box.


From the reports I've read, a large proportion of HD buyers expect the tv
picture to be HD as soon as they get it home.

--
Tumbleweed

email replies not necessary but to contact use;
tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com



Schrodinger March 22nd 06 07:31 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"steeler" wrote in message
...

"No-One" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


What I'm interested to know is will it be like sky+ in that the extra
free will be needed to enable all HD functionality? Or will it only be an
extra sub for sky's HD packages? I wouldn't want to be forced to pay
money to sky just to get HD services from the BBC.


Well as HD services are over a year off on the sky platform they will have
plenty of time to decide.


I'm confused about this - what's with the locked channels denoted "HD" then?



Brian McIlwrath March 22nd 06 08:26 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
In uk.media.tv.sky steeler wrote:

: Well as HD services are over a year off on the sky platform they will have
: plenty of time to decide.

NO THEY ARE NOT!!! HD services are on test now/very soon and will be launched
to the general public by (probably) May/June so detailed debate within Sky
as to policy/pricing/target audience WILL be taking place NOW!

Tumbleweed March 22nd 06 08:52 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Schrodinger" wrote in message
. ..

"steeler" wrote in message
...

"No-One" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


What I'm interested to know is will it be like sky+ in that the extra
free will be needed to enable all HD functionality? Or will it only be
an extra sub for sky's HD packages? I wouldn't want to be forced to pay
money to sky just to get HD services from the BBC.


Well as HD services are over a year off on the sky platform they will
have plenty of time to decide.


I'm confused about this - what's with the locked channels denoted "HD"
then?


A good way of guaging the market? If you go to the trouble of phoning them,
you must want it, from that they can estimate the proportion of subs likely
to take it up.

--
Tumbleweed

email replies not necessary but to contact use;
tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com



steeler March 23rd 06 01:27 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
roups.com...
Something like Demand over price resistance divided by churn multiplied
by cost of upgrade less cost of rival platform impact over time.


Plus the fact that Joe Chav seems completely happy to pay £1500 for a
huge plasma or LCD screen which is HD ready, so presumably he's also
got a couple of hundred quid that he's already put aside (mentally, not
physically - credit card debt will finance it as usual) for his HD box.


From the reports I've read, a large proportion of HD buyers expect the tv
picture to be HD as soon as they get it home.


They all buy the sets from Currys so the salesmen do not discourage this
view.



steeler March 23rd 06 01:30 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
...
In uk.media.tv.sky steeler wrote:

: Well as HD services are over a year off on the sky platform they will
have
: plenty of time to decide.

NO THEY ARE NOT!!! HD services are on test now/very soon and will be
launched
to the general public by (probably) May/June so detailed debate within Sky
as to policy/pricing/target audience WILL be taking place NOW!


Stop shouting. If you had not snipped the OP you would see that I was
responding to

"I wouldn't want to be forced to pay money to sky
just to get HD services from the BBC."

in that any BBC service will not be available for country-wide roll-out on a
sky platform for, IMO, at least a year.



steeler March 23rd 06 01:31 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Schrodinger" wrote in message
. ..

"steeler" wrote in message
...

"No-One" wrote in message
...

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just had an interesting chat with a lady at Sky, who said there was a
lot of internal debate (a mass debate) about whether there would be an
additional charge for the HD channels, or if it would work like Sky+
and you get them 'free' if you get one or more of the top 'mixes', e.g.
Sports World or Movies World.

She was as desperate to get the actual pricing and availability as we
all are!


What I'm interested to know is will it be like sky+ in that the extra
free will be needed to enable all HD functionality? Or will it only be
an extra sub for sky's HD packages? I wouldn't want to be forced to pay
money to sky just to get HD services from the BBC.


Well as HD services are over a year off on the sky platform they will
have plenty of time to decide.


I'm confused about this - what's with the locked channels denoted "HD"
then?


Sorry for the confusion. Sky HD channels are launching soon - when I said
"at least a year" I was referring to the BBC HD output No-One mentioned.



[email protected] March 23rd 06 05:02 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

Tumbleweed wrote:
"Ed" wrote in message
roups.com...
Something like Demand over price resistance divided by churn multipliedby
cost of upgrade less cost of rival platform impact over time.


Plus the fact that Joe Chav seems completely happy to pay £1500 for a
huge plasma or LCD screen which is HD ready, so presumably he's also
got a couple of hundred quid that he's already put aside (mentally, not
physically - credit card debt will finance it as usual) for his HD box.


From the reports I've read, a large proportion of HD buyers expect the tv
picture to be HD as soon as they get it home.


There was a report in a recent edition of 'What Video' about a survey
that showed that of those Americans who _thought_ there were receiving
HD broadcasts, half actually weren't. A common misassumption was that
an HD set was all they needed.


Adrian A March 23rd 06 06:11 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
wrote:
Tumbleweed wrote:
"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Something like Demand over price resistance divided by churn
multiplied by cost of upgrade less cost of rival platform impact
over time.


Plus the fact that Joe Chav seems completely happy to pay £1500 for
a
huge plasma or LCD screen which is HD ready, so presumably he's also
got a couple of hundred quid that he's already put aside (mentally,
not physically - credit card debt will finance it as usual) for his
HD box.


From the reports I've read, a large proportion of HD buyers expect
the tv picture to be HD as soon as they get it home.


There was a report in a recent edition of 'What Video' about a survey
that showed that of those Americans who _thought_ there were receiving
HD broadcasts, half actually weren't. A common misassumption was that
an HD set was all they needed.


They'll be just like all the people that conected Nicam VCRs via RF only and
were convinced they were getting stereo play back.
--
Adrian A



Jim March 24th 06 12:57 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "steeler"
Newsgroups: uk.media.tv.sky,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.tech.digital-tv
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone



in that any BBC service will not be available for country-wide roll-out on
a sky platform for, IMO, at least a year.


That seems very pessimistic given that the BBC have said they will start HD
services on the 15th May and will broadcast on Satellite and cable as soon
as possible. Sky are expected to start services at about that date. The
announcement from Sky due tomorrow should clarify.

--

HDTV UK FAQ http://www.burnyourbonus.co.uk/HDTV/faq.html



steeler March 24th 06 02:22 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
----- Original Message -----
From: "steeler"
Newsgroups: uk.media.tv.sky,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.tech.digital-tv
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone



in that any BBC service will not be available for country-wide roll-out
on a sky platform for, IMO, at least a year.


That seems very pessimistic given that the BBC have said they will start
HD
services on the 15th May and will broadcast on Satellite and cable as soon
as possible. Sky are expected to start services at about that date. The
announcement from Sky due tomorrow should clarify.


Regarding the BBC. Tests in London only start by that date. Also while sky
cannot block the BBC from putting their channels on satellite they sure can
drag their heels.



Ian March 24th 06 02:38 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
Jim wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "steeler"
Newsgroups: uk.media.tv.sky,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.tech.digital-tv
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone



in that any BBC service will not be available for country-wide roll-out on
a sky platform for, IMO, at least a year.



That seems very pessimistic given that the BBC have said they will start HD
services on the 15th May and will broadcast on Satellite and cable as soon
as possible. Sky are expected to start services at about that date. The
announcement from Sky due tomorrow should clarify.

--

HDTV UK FAQ http://www.burnyourbonus.co.uk/HDTV/faq.html


On BBC digital text they announced they would be broadcasting HD on key
Wimbledon and World Cup matches.

--
Ian.

Adrian A March 24th 06 10:13 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
steeler wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
----- Original Message -----
From: "steeler"
Newsgroups: uk.media.tv.sky,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.tech.digital-tv
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone



in that any BBC service will not be available for country-wide
roll-out on a sky platform for, IMO, at least a year.


That seems very pessimistic given that the BBC have said they will
start HD
services on the 15th May and will broadcast on Satellite and cable
as soon as possible. Sky are expected to start services at about
that date. The announcement from Sky due tomorrow should clarify.


Regarding the BBC. Tests in London only start by that date. Also
while sky cannot block the BBC from putting their channels on
satellite they sure can drag their heels.


Not just London.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds30793.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4834322.stm
--
Adrian A



Adrian A March 24th 06 10:38 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
Adrian A wrote:
steeler wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
----- Original Message -----
From: "steeler"
Newsgroups: uk.media.tv.sky,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.tech.digital-tv
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone



in that any BBC service will not be available for country-wide
roll-out on a sky platform for, IMO, at least a year.

That seems very pessimistic given that the BBC have said they will
start HD
services on the 15th May and will broadcast on Satellite and cable
as soon as possible. Sky are expected to start services at about
that date. The announcement from Sky due tomorrow should clarify.


Regarding the BBC. Tests in London only start by that date. Also
while sky cannot block the BBC from putting their channels on
satellite they sure can drag their heels.


Not just London.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds30793.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4834322.stm


Also
http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/pressoffi.../08/hdtv.shtml



[email protected] March 24th 06 11:49 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
Adrian A wrote:

wrote:
Tumbleweed wrote:
"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
Something like Demand over price resistance divided by churn
multiplied by cost of upgrade less cost of rival platform impact
over time.

Plus the fact that Joe Chav seems completely happy to pay £1500 for
a
huge plasma or LCD screen which is HD ready, so presumably he's also
got a couple of hundred quid that he's already put aside (mentally,
not physically - credit card debt will finance it as usual) for his
HD box.

From the reports I've read, a large proportion of HD buyers expect
the tv picture to be HD as soon as they get it home.


There was a report in a recent edition of 'What Video' about a survey
that showed that of those Americans who _thought_ there were receiving
HD broadcasts, half actually weren't. A common misassumption was that
an HD set was all they needed.


They'll be just like all the people that conected Nicam VCRs via RF only and
were convinced they were getting stereo play back.


Or, indeed, those who thought they were getting NICAM when their local
transmitters hadn't even been upgraded for it!


Nigel Barker March 24th 06 02:26 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:38:50 -0000, "Adrian A" wrote:

Not just London.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds30793.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4834322.stm


Also
http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/pressoffi.../08/hdtv.shtml


The BBC articles are pretty thin on technical content & in fact that last link
is to a BBC press release from last November. However the Digital Spy article
says "The BBC's HD service will be available via Sky's forthcoming HD service".
So is it going to be possible to buy a Sky HD receiver without subscribing?
Alternatively is there a non-Sky HD receiver that could be used to view the BBC?

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

steeler March 24th 06 02:32 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:38:50 -0000, "Adrian A" wrote:

Not just London.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds30793.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4834322.stm


Also
http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/pressoffi.../08/hdtv.shtml


The BBC articles are pretty thin on technical content & in fact that last
link
is to a BBC press release from last November. However the Digital Spy
article
says "The BBC's HD service will be available via Sky's forthcoming HD
service".
So is it going to be possible to buy a Sky HD receiver without
subscribing?


You will have to wait until they announce pricing to know for sure. If HD
boxes from sky are subsidised I imagine they will find some way to clawback
the costs.

Alternatively is there a non-Sky HD receiver that could be used to view
the BBC?


Not yet. I imagine a fair few are in development though.



loz March 24th 06 02:46 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...
The BBC articles are pretty thin on technical content & in fact that last
link
is to a BBC press release from last November. However the Digital Spy
article
says "The BBC's HD service will be available via Sky's forthcoming HD
service".
So is it going to be possible to buy a Sky HD receiver without
subscribing?
Alternatively is there a non-Sky HD receiver that could be used to view
the BBC?


Sky HD boxes are £399 without a HD sub. £299 with a £10 sub
As shown on the www.sky.com/hd website

Loz



loz March 24th 06 02:49 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"steeler" wrote in message
.. .
You will have to wait until they announce pricing to know for sure. If HD
boxes from sky are subsidised I imagine they will find some way to
clawback the costs.


Prices have been announced.
See www.sky.com/hd for details

Loz



Nigel Barker March 24th 06 03:17 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:46:49 -0000, "loz"
wrote:


"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
.. .
The BBC articles are pretty thin on technical content & in fact that last
link
is to a BBC press release from last November. However the Digital Spy
article
says "The BBC's HD service will be available via Sky's forthcoming HD
service".
So is it going to be possible to buy a Sky HD receiver without
subscribing?
Alternatively is there a non-Sky HD receiver that could be used to view
the BBC?


Sky HD boxes are £399 without a HD sub. £299 with a £10 sub
As shown on the www.sky.com/hd website


I can't find that information there. It probably isn't surprising as I got fed
up clicking through all the flashy animation & slow displays. I just see 299
pounds for the box but it only mentions subscribers either existing or new. Why
can't they just have a simple static page with the prices?

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Mal Franks March 24th 06 08:02 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
In article ,
says...


Sky HD boxes are £399 without a HD sub. £299 with a £10 sub
As shown on the
www.sky.com/hd website

Loz



£20 sub for those of us who aren't movies/sports subscribers as there's
the £10 per month charge for the Sky+ features on top of this.

Mal

loz March 24th 06 08:49 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Mal Franks" wrote in message
t...

Sky HD boxes are £399 without a HD sub. £299 with a £10 sub
As shown on the www.sky.com/hd website

£20 sub for those of us who aren't movies/sports subscribers as there's
the £10 per month charge for the Sky+ features on top of this.


The Sky+ sub isn't mandatory to use the Sky HD box.
Hence £10 is appropriate figure to quote for HD - which I was doing, as in
"...HD sub"

The Sky+ sub is only for the Sky+ features.
In which case, if you want both, then yes £20

loz



Mal Franks March 24th 06 09:43 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
In article ,
says...

"Mal Franks" wrote in message
t...

Sky HD boxes are £399 without a HD sub. £299 with a £10 sub
As shown on the
www.sky.com/hd website
£20 sub for those of us who aren't movies/sports subscribers as there's
the £10 per month charge for the Sky+ features on top of this.


The Sky+ sub isn't mandatory to use the Sky HD box.
Hence £10 is appropriate figure to quote for HD - which I was doing, asin
"...HD sub"

The Sky+ sub is only for the Sky+ features.
In which case, if you want both, then yes £20

loz



i assume you'll need to pay for the + features if you want to record HD
broadcasts though :/

loz March 24th 06 11:12 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 

"Mal Franks" wrote in message
t...
The Sky+ sub is only for the Sky+ features.
In which case, if you want both, then yes £20

i assume you'll need to pay for the + features if you want to record HD
broadcasts though :/


Well duh, yes. Didn't I make that clear?

Loz



Jomtien March 25th 06 07:19 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
Nigel Barker wrote:

So is it going to be possible to buy a Sky HD receiver without subscribing?


Sky would have to make these available for the same reason that they
have to make regular digiboxes available without subscription.


Alternatively is there a non-Sky HD receiver that could be used to view the BBC?


Yes. Any HD sat box will do the trick.

--
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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
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No monies return'd. ;-)

Nigel Barker March 25th 06 09:00 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:19:44 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

Nigel Barker wrote:

So is it going to be possible to buy a Sky HD receiver without subscribing?


Sky would have to make these available for the same reason that they
have to make regular digiboxes available without subscription.


Just out of interest why do Sky have to make regular digiboxes available without
subscription?

Alternatively is there a non-Sky HD receiver that could be used to view the BBC?


Yes. Any HD sat box will do the trick.


Presumably they will suffer the same lack of EPG as FTA non-HD satellite
receivers. Normally you recommend purchase of a Sky digibox for viewing the Sky
platform for just that reason.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Jomtien March 26th 06 09:48 AM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
Nigel Barker wrote:

Sky would have to make these available for the same reason that they
have to make regular digiboxes available without subscription.


Just out of interest why do Sky have to make regular digiboxes available without
subscription?


The EU requires it. This dates back quite some time.


Yes. Any HD sat box will do the trick.


Presumably they will suffer the same lack of EPG as FTA non-HD satellite
receivers.


More non-Sky receivers now seem to be capable of interpreting the Sky
EPG data. My Echostar can't but it is rather old. I don't think that
any can use the series link functionality.


Normally you recommend purchase of a Sky digibox for viewing the Sky
platform for just that reason.


Indeed, and for the FTV channels. But that's for the regular box which
is now very cheap. At £400 for an HD box I would have to think twice.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Nigel Barker March 26th 06 02:47 PM

Sky HD extra Sub not set in stone
 
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:48:31 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Nigel Barker wrote:

Sky would have to make these available for the same reason that they
have to make regular digiboxes available without subscription.


Just out of interest why do Sky have to make regular digiboxes available without
subscription?


The EU requires it. This dates back quite some time.


I though that the EU required provision of a Videoguard CAM too.

Yes. Any HD sat box will do the trick.


Presumably they will suffer the same lack of EPG as FTA non-HD satellite
receivers.


More non-Sky receivers now seem to be capable of interpreting the Sky
EPG data. My Echostar can't but it is rather old. I don't think that
any can use the series link functionality.


Have you got a pointer to one?

Normally you recommend purchase of a Sky digibox for viewing the Sky
platform for just that reason.


Indeed, and for the FTV channels. But that's for the regular box which
is now very cheap. At £400 for an HD box I would have to think twice.


I expect the price will drop. If one could access the hard disk recording
without paying the ridiculous 10 pounds per month charge it would be good value
at the un subsidised price.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur


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