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They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button. Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

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On 2006-03-21, Seth wrote:
"Nog" wrote in message
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They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be
instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button.
Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

Then get rid of your DVR.

Or, understand that A) it spools a second or 2 and B) it goes through a
conversion process (digital to analog for DirecTiVos, analog to digital and
back to analog for standalones).

Another option is to simply watch less (or no) live TV. This methodology
is working great for me (I don't even know if I have slow channel changes
or not because I don't watch live TV).

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:44:01 +0000, Nog wrote:

They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button. Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

The you are going to go nuts when everything goes digital. Takes about 3-5
seconds to change channels even if you aren't recording. So get used to
it.

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In article [email protected], Nog
wrote:

They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button. Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

Sorry it takes 2 seconds to start to decode the new MPEG stream. Even
digital Cable is slower than analog.

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"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be
instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button.
Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

www.klennex.com

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Seth wrote:

"Nog" wrote in message
news:RLJTf.3588$hI1.3035[email protected]
They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be
instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button.
Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

Then get rid of your DVR.

Or, understand that A) it spools a second or 2 and B) it goes through a
conversion process (digital to analog for DirecTiVos, analog to digital
and back to analog for standalones).

Yes, but it's traveling at 186,000 miles a second (light speed). The delays
are built in and stupid.

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"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Seth wrote:

"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be
instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button.
Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

Then get rid of your DVR.

Or, understand that A) it spools a second or 2 and B) it goes through a
conversion process (digital to analog for DirecTiVos, analog to digital
and back to analog for standalones).

Yes, but it's traveling at 186,000 miles a second (light speed). The
delays
are built in and stupid.

Then get rid of your DVR and make a better one. It still takes time to
spool the hard drive and then the A--D process.

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PFFFFFFTTTTT LOL
Yea it's done on purpose just to **** you off!
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Nog wrote:


Yes, but it's traveling at 186,000 miles a second (light speed). The delays
are built in and stupid.



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"Bob" wrote in message news:a6VTf.46151
You probably don't remember the old days when you had to get your butt up
off the couch to change the channel. And to turn up the volume. And then
turn it down. And then to adjust the vertical hold. And then to change the
channel back. And again to raise the volume because now it's too low. And
then to turn the set back on after the brat in the family turned it off on
everybody. And then to readjust the vertical hold.

It was a vicious cycle.






Yes- but at least we got some exercise out of it.

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Bob wrote:

"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be
instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button.
Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

Life's a bitch.

You probably don't remember the old days when you had to get your butt up
off the couch to change the channel. And to turn up the volume. And then
turn it down. And then to adjust the vertical hold. And then to change the
channel back. And again to raise the volume because now it's too low. And
then to turn the set back on after the brat in the family turned it off on
everybody. And then to readjust the vertical hold.

It was a vicious cycle.

I remember those days. One thing for sure, when you changed the channel the
next one came on instantly! Why are the newer electronics slower?

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"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Seth wrote:

"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Seth wrote:

"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of ****
boxes? It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should
be instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering
stuff. I should see the next channel the very instant I press the
button. Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

Then get rid of your DVR.

Or, understand that A) it spools a second or 2 and B) it goes through a
conversion process (digital to analog for DirecTiVos, analog to digital
and back to analog for standalones).

Yes, but it's traveling at 186,000 miles a second (light speed). The
delays
are built in and stupid.

Then get rid of your DVR and make a better one. It still takes time to
spool the hard drive and then the A--D process.

The old analog black and white tv's with round picture tubes were faster
at
channel changing. Maybe people are more stupid today at electronics.

Or maybe the stupid people have difficulty understanding that things are
more complicated today and complex operations may take a little longer than
simple ones...

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Back in 'the good old days' when there was no such thing as
microprocessor chips,integrated circuitry and EPRAM/EPROM processing
software and everything was ANALOG and you only had to deal with one
format,things were a lot simpler for sure.
Now.there are all of these base micro-processor programs that have to
make all these decisions in the blink of an eye: "Is this signal analog
or digital? YES/NO......is this signal encrypted? YES/NO........If
encrypted,what kind,A,B,C,D {or more} [select],
Is this signal external,internal,or stored? If stored,what type of
access device? [Process IF,THEN,ELSE commands]......Any parental
controls implemented? YES/NO.......

There could be many more depending on the device and the
architecture.It is no wonder they are a bit slower than usual compared
with the primitive early devices of the 50's and 60's.
I am amazed sometimes how fast they are with all this firmware action
and processing controls.

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In article , Bob
wrote:

They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be
instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button.
Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

Life's a bitch.

You probably don't remember the old days when you had to get your butt up
off the couch to change the channel. And to turn up the volume. And then
turn it down. And then to adjust the vertical hold. And then to change the
channel back. And again to raise the volume because now it's too low. And
then to turn the set back on after the brat in the family turned it off on
everybody. And then to readjust the vertical hold.

It was a vicious cycle.

You forgot the part about adjusting the rabbit ears (antenna for those
of you too young to remember)

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:22:21 +0000, Nog wrote:

I remember those days. One thing for sure, when you changed the channel the
next one came on instantly! Why are the newer electronics slower?

But it wasn't converting the raw signal to mpeg, storing it to disk, then
decoding it and playing it back to give you the convenience of pausing
live TV, reversing the show, doing slow mo, etc. Don't like it. Like
someone said, get rid of the DVR. They are all like this, and they will
all be like this forever to some extent. Now if you want to replace the HD
with a ramdisk for about $10K, that would help a little. When NTSC is gone
and everyone here in the US is using ATSC, you'll get the same thing,
except for a different reason, even with a standard TV and no recording
device. So get used to it, or plan on not watching TV after 2009.

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It was a vicious cycle.

You forgot the part about adjusting the rabbit ears (antenna for those
of you too young to remember)

Yup, and that too.

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Wes Newell wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:22:21 +0000, Nog wrote:

I remember those days. One thing for sure, when you changed the channel
the
next one came on instantly! Why are the newer electronics slower?

But it wasn't converting the raw signal to mpeg, storing it to disk, then
decoding it and playing it back to give you the convenience of pausing
live TV, reversing the show, doing slow mo, etc. Don't like it. Like
someone said, get rid of the DVR. They are all like this, and they will
all be like this forever to some extent. Now if you want to replace the HD
with a ramdisk for about $10K, that would help a little. When NTSC is gone
and everyone here in the US is using ATSC, you'll get the same thing,
except for a different reason, even with a standard TV and no recording
device. So get used to it, or plan on not watching TV after 2009.

So in the distant future we will turn on the TV, change the channel then go
for a drive while we wait for it to come on. Or go the the gym and work out
while we wait for the TV to come on with a DVR on it.

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:38:58 -0500, "John Poutré"
wrote:

"Nog" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?
It's the electronic age. Pressing another channel button should be
instant.
Instead there is a ****ing delay with that blue **** box covering stuff.
I should see the next channel the very instant I press the button.
Anything
less is unsatisfactory.

www.klennex.com


Or www.midol.com, , , ,either way.....

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:54:58 +0000, Nog wrote:

Wes Newell wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:22:21 +0000, Nog wrote:

I remember those days. One thing for sure, when you changed the channel
the
next one came on instantly! Why are the newer electronics slower?

But it wasn't converting the raw signal to mpeg, storing it to disk, then
decoding it and playing it back to give you the convenience of pausing
live TV, reversing the show, doing slow mo, etc. Don't like it. Like
someone said, get rid of the DVR. They are all like this, and they will
all be like this forever to some extent. Now if you want to replace the HD
with a ramdisk for about $10K, that would help a little. When NTSC is gone
and everyone here in the US is using ATSC, you'll get the same thing,
except for a different reason, even with a standard TV and no recording
device. So get used to it, or plan on not watching TV after 2009.

So in the distant future we will turn on the TV, change the channel then go
for a drive while we wait for it to come on. Or go the the gym and work out
while we wait for the TV to come on with a DVR on it.

You'll wait approximately 1-3 seconds for the signal to sync before the
picture comes on using an ATSC digital tuner. So it better be a fast
drive. If you've got a dvr, then expect a little more.

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In article [email protected], Nog
wrote:

I remember those days. One thing for sure, when you changed the channel the
next one came on instantly! Why are the newer electronics slower?

Yes and you had a choice of very limited channels. This assumes that
you lived within the line-of-sight range of any transmitters.

The first tv I remember had a round tube, received 1 channel and took
about 5 min to warm up so you could see the picture, but changing
channels took no time at all!

I'll take today's tv travails anytime.

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Nog wrote:

Yes, but it's traveling at 186,000 miles a second (light speed). The delays
are built in and stupid.

The old analog sets have no error-correcting code, no cyclic redundancy.
Digital media have such things; that is how they can produce proper
results even when some bits are flipped.

Some of the delay you are seeing is because the tuner/decoder has to
buffer up a bunch of bits before it can process separate blocks of
data. It is a delay that is inherent in the design of digital
block transmission, and is the price you have to pay to have
crystal clear digital results (as opposed to snowy analog reception).
-Joe

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They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?

Slow down, go take your meds.

It switches a lot more than just the eff'ing channel. It's also switching
out the rewind buffer. If you want fast then go back to hauling your ass
off the couch and spinning the channel knob on an old school RF tuner.
Yeesh.

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In article , "Bill Kearney" wrote:
They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?

Slow down, go take your meds.

It switches a lot more than just the eff'ing channel. It's also switching
out the rewind buffer. If you want fast then go back to hauling your ass
off the couch and spinning the channel knob on an old school RF tuner.
Yeesh.

Also, if one is using a satellite, it take a sec or two while the multiswitch
does its job.

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:45:06 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

They can't make the channels change faster on these piece of **** boxes?

Slow down, go take your meds.

It switches a lot more than just the eff'ing channel. It's also switching
out the rewind buffer. If you want fast then go back to hauling your ass
off the couch and spinning the channel knob on an old school RF tuner.
Yeesh.

That is correct, since it is a Tivo it is writing it to the drive, then
reading it back from the drive.

The fact that the stream is digital also plays a part. It has to buffer
enough of the stream to paint the picture, and it may have to wait for a
proper starting point. I am speculating, but it is not the same as
switching to a live analog signal that will display the next frame as soon
as the right channel is tuned.

BH

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Joe Smith wrote:

Nog wrote:

Yes, but it's traveling at 186,000 miles a second (light speed). The
delays are built in and stupid.

The old analog sets have no error-correcting code, no cyclic redundancy.
Digital media have such things; that is how they can produce proper
results even when some bits are flipped.

Some of the delay you are seeing is because the tuner/decoder has to
buffer up a bunch of bits before it can process separate blocks of
data. It is a delay that is inherent in the design of digital
block transmission, and is the price you have to pay to have
crystal clear digital results (as opposed to snowy analog reception).
-Joe

Snowy sometimes, but crystal clear other times. Snowy is equivalent to
digital pixalation which happens as often as snowy did. Analog signal
decreased with distance or weather but was still there. Digital is 100% or
zero unless it's a frozen picture.