TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

http://www.tivo.com/cms_static/press_82.html

Here are the highlights:

* The price for a TiVo box and a one-year service commitment is $19.95
a month or $224 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a two-year service commitment is $18.95
a month or $369 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a three-year service commitment is
$16.95 a month or $469 prepaid

- The product lifetime service option will be eliminated next week.

- The changes to the pricing structure and service-only options will
launch next week. The changes will not affect TiVo's current base of
subscriptions.

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:08:23 +0000, Mike Hunt wrote:


http://www.tivo.com/cms_static/press_82.html

Here are the highlights:

* The price for a TiVo box and a one-year service commitment is $19.95
a month or $224 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a two-year service commitment is $18.95
a month or $369 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a three-year service commitment is
$16.95 a month or $469 prepaid

- The product lifetime service option will be eliminated next week.

Looks like it time to update the comparison again. I was thinking the sub
price was $9.95 a month when I bought mine. Doubled in 4 years. Not good.


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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:15:12 +0000, Seth wrote:

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:08:23 +0000, Mike Hunt wrote:


http://www.tivo.com/cms_static/press_82.html

Here are the highlights:

* The price for a TiVo box and a one-year service commitment is
$19.95
a month or $224 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a two-year service commitment is
$18.95
a month or $369 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a three-year service commitment is
$16.95 a month or $469 prepaid

- The product lifetime service option will be eliminated next week.

Looks like it time to update the comparison again. I was thinking the sub
price was $9.95 a month when I bought mine. Doubled in 4 years. Not good.


Slow down there cowboy. When you change the service fee to $19.95, make
sure you change the purchase/entry price to ZERO$$$ as the monthly includes
the hardware.

I Didn't change it to 19.95 a month. I based it on the cheaper 3 year
prepaid price of $469.

Not to mention I wouldn't bother making any changes to your chart on
this news as this news regards the SD units.

So, you think they'll offer a lifetime on the HD unit? Not likely. And if
the sub price is going to be the same, I'll garauntee there will be an up
front cost for the hardware. I left that at $500, for a total of $969 for
3 years of service. And I bet that's lower than it will actually be. The
cost to make the S3 is going to be a lot more than the S2. It wouldn't
suprise me to see an $800 or more sticker price plus the sub fee. Yeah,
Tivo loves you.:-)

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"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:15:12 +0000, Seth wrote:

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:08:23 +0000, Mike Hunt wrote:


http://www.tivo.com/cms_static/press_82.html

Here are the highlights:

* The price for a TiVo box and a one-year service commitment is
$19.95
a month or $224 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a two-year service commitment is
$18.95
a month or $369 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a three-year service commitment is
$16.95 a month or $469 prepaid

- The product lifetime service option will be eliminated next week.

Looks like it time to update the comparison again. I was thinking the
sub
price was $9.95 a month when I bought mine. Doubled in 4 years. Not
good.


Slow down there cowboy. When you change the service fee to $19.95, make
sure you change the purchase/entry price to ZERO$$$ as the monthly
includes
the hardware.

I Didn't change it to 19.95 a month. I based it on the cheaper 3 year
prepaid price of $469.

Not to mention I wouldn't bother making any changes to your chart on
this news as this news regards the SD units.

So, you think they'll offer a lifetime on the HD unit?

No announcement on the HD, so really, NOTHING to change.

Not likely. And if
the sub price is going to be the same, I'll garauntee there will be an up
front cost for the hardware. I left that at $500, for a total of $969 for
3 years of service. And I bet that's lower than it will actually be. The
cost to make the S3 is going to be a lot more than the S2. It wouldn't
suprise me to see an $800 or more sticker price plus the sub fee. Yeah,
Tivo loves you.:-)

See, this is pretty positive proof that you will try your best to spin thins
to suit your argument. Either make changes that match the press release, or
do nothing as the press release doesn't say anything specifically about the
HD unit. To make up your own numbers is dishonest and ridiculous.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:

Not to start a war here about this and that, but once we've paid for the
equipment, all you're really getting from Tivo is program guide info that
you're most likely getting from your cable provider already, or OTA if you
don't have cable. (I'm leaving DTV out as their pricing is completely
different.)

You're also getting access to the OS/interface and all the TiVo features
(MRV, HMO, TTG, etc.) Having a superior user interface and unique
features (Wishlist, Season Pass, etc.) still has value which people are
willing to pay for. It's much more than just "program guide info".

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"Mike Hunt" wrote in message
...
On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:

Not to start a war here about this and that, but once we've paid for the
equipment, all you're really getting from Tivo is program guide info that
you're most likely getting from your cable provider already, or OTA if
you
don't have cable. (I'm leaving DTV out as their pricing is completely
different.)

You're also getting access to the OS/interface and all the TiVo features
(MRV, HMO, TTG, etc.) Having a superior user interface and unique
features (Wishlist, Season Pass, etc.) still has value which people are
willing to pay for. It's much more than just "program guide info".

But really, it has nothing to do with what one gets or doesn't get. It's
just a pricing model. TiVo chooses to license their software how they
choose. Too many people are under the misconception that they BUY software.
It is licensed under the terms of the license holder.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

I paid for the O/S and interface, wishlist abilities, season passes etc.
when I bought the boxes. That was part of the OS when I purchased the box.

Granted, from time to time there are enhancements to all that but not
everyone uses all that stuff. At 20 bucks a month, that's a little steep for
program guide info.



"Mike Hunt" wrote in message
...
On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:

Not to start a war here about this and that, but once we've paid for the
equipment, all you're really getting from Tivo is program guide info
that
you're most likely getting from your cable provider already, or OTA if
you
don't have cable. (I'm leaving DTV out as their pricing is completely
different.)

You're also getting access to the OS/interface and all the TiVo features
(MRV, HMO, TTG, etc.) Having a superior user interface and unique
features (Wishlist, Season Pass, etc.) still has value which people are
willing to pay for. It's much more than just "program guide info".

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In article ,
"Randy S." wrote:

It's why I've stopped even trying to correct him, he has no base in
reality. I think it's important to note that no one else has even
*speculated* as to a price or pricing model for the s3, as we have no
idea what they may do. There's just nothing to even speculate on. Will
they have an upfront cost or just monthly? Will there be a lifetime
option? What will the monthly fee be? None of these questions are even
remotely answerable, particularly since even Tivo probably hasn't
decided yet.

If they are eliminating the lifetime subscription now, it seems rather
unlikely that they'll bring it back with a new maching.

--
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"Our country is being run by people who assume that things will turn out the
way they want. And if someone warns of problems, they shoot the messenger."
-- Paul Krugman

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"Bob" wrote in message
. com...
I paid for the O/S and interface, wishlist abilities, season passes etc.
when I bought the boxes. That was part of the OS when I purchased the box.

You do not own the software, you license it under the terms of the owner
(TiVo).

Granted, from time to time there are enhancements to all that but not
everyone uses all that stuff. At 20 bucks a month, that's a little steep
for
program guide info.

You're not just paying for the Guide Info. You are also paying the license
fee to continue using the software that is owned by TiVo.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

That's playing with semantics. As to whether you are licensing it or buying
it. Best Buy doesn't run ads for Turbo Tax saying "for license". The
advertise it "for sale". All over their website are buttons for software to
click that say "Buy Now".

Regardless, if you've paid for the equipment, $20 a month is a bit steep.

If someone buys a 3 year old Tivo off ebay, they are not going to want to
pay $20 a month to get programming info. Whether the rest of it is being
licensed to them or not.

"Seth" wrote in message
...
"Bob" wrote in message
. com...
I paid for the O/S and interface, wishlist abilities, season passes etc.
when I bought the boxes. That was part of the OS when I purchased the
box.

You do not own the software, you license it under the terms of the owner
(TiVo).

Granted, from time to time there are enhancements to all that but not
everyone uses all that stuff. At 20 bucks a month, that's a little steep
for
program guide info.

You're not just paying for the Guide Info. You are also paying the
license
fee to continue using the software that is owned by TiVo.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:
I paid for the O/S and interface, wishlist abilities, season passes etc.
when I bought the boxes. That was part of the OS when I purchased the box.

Granted, from time to time there are enhancements to all that but not
everyone uses all that stuff. At 20 bucks a month, that's a little steep for
program guide info.

Oh, well, in that case, stop paying the 20 bucks a month and see how it
goes for you.

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I'm not paying $20 if you'd read the posts here.

Why do you always get so frickin' ****y when someone disagrees with you?

You've got a need to answer every post in this newsgroup like your the
frickin' Tivo god. And the frickin' DirecTV god.

Go play with your sheep.


"Mike Hunt" wrote in message
...
On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:
I paid for the O/S and interface, wishlist abilities, season passes etc.
when I bought the boxes. That was part of the OS when I purchased the
box.

Granted, from time to time there are enhancements to all that but not
everyone uses all that stuff. At 20 bucks a month, that's a little steep
for
program guide info.

Oh, well, in that case, stop paying the 20 bucks a month and see how it
goes for you.

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"Bob" wrote in message
. com...
That's playing with semantics. As to whether you are licensing it or
buying
it. Best Buy doesn't run ads for Turbo Tax saying "for license". The
advertise it "for sale". All over their website are buttons for software
to
click that say "Buy Now".

Cause you are buying the package that includes the a license software to use
the software.

Regardless, if you've paid for the equipment, $20 a month is a bit steep.

I'll agree with that, but under the new structure one doesn't pay for the
box.

If someone buys a 3 year old Tivo off ebay, they are not going to want to
pay $20 a month to get programming info. Whether the rest of it is being
licensed to them or not.

Then maybe they shouldn't be buying a used box when they can get a new one
for free.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

In article ,
"Bob" wrote:

I love my Tivos but the pricing seems to be getting a bit steep.

Not to start a war here about this and that, but once we've paid for the
equipment, all you're really getting from Tivo is program guide info that
you're most likely getting from your cable provider already,

Not at all the same as the program guide is automatically inserted into
the TiVo to be used with Wish Lists and Season passes. For ANYONE who
watches a reasonable amount of TV it saves hours of searching your
Sunday TV Section in the paper.





or OTA if you
don't have cable. (I'm leaving DTV out as their pricing is completely
different.)

And as far as the equipment being free, not all of it is. The fancier boxes
are not free. So if I buy a DVD recorder with Tivo, my $19.95 per month is
subsidizing somebody else's rebate.

I'm glad my SA boxes has a lifetime sub and my others are DTV.



"Mike Hunt" wrote in message
...

http://www.tivo.com/cms_static/press_82.html

Here are the highlights:

* The price for a TiVo box and a one-year service commitment is $19.95
a month or $224 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a two-year service commitment is $18.95
a month or $369 prepaid

* The price for a TiVo box and a three-year service commitment is
$16.95 a month or $469 prepaid

- The product lifetime service option will be eliminated next week.

- The changes to the pricing structure and service-only options will
launch next week. The changes will not affect TiVo's current base of
subscriptions.

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TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

In article ,
"Bob" wrote:

I paid for the O/S and interface, wishlist abilities, season passes etc.
when I bought the boxes. That was part of the OS when I purchased the box.

Granted, from time to time there are enhancements to all that but not
everyone uses all that stuff. At 20 bucks a month, that's a little steep for
program guide info.

If your time in search YV Guide is worth less than $1 /hour than its
expensive.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

Not at all the same as the program guide is automatically inserted into
the TiVo to be used with Wish Lists and Season passes. For ANYONE who
watches a reasonable amount of TV it saves hours of searching your
Sunday TV Section in the paper.

Exactly, information that is delivered OTA free.

Most TVs bought in the last 5 years or so are capable of getting program
info either over the air or from the capable provider.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

Randy S. ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
I think it's important to note that no one else has even
*speculated* as to a price or pricing model for the s3, as we have no
idea what they may do. There's just nothing to even speculate on. Will
they have an upfront cost or just monthly? Will there be a lifetime
option? What will the monthly fee be? None of these questions are even
remotely answerable, particularly since even Tivo probably hasn't
decided yet.

Since the hardware cost of a unit with two all-around HD tuners *plus*
two MPEG-2 encoders *plus* a larger hard drive is a going to be a *lot*
higher than that of current S2 units, I'd say they'd have to do something
radically different in pricing the S3.

If they didn't go with an up-front cost, they'd have to raise the monthly
cost, and it would be downright weird to have different monthly costs
for the exact same service.

Overall, this new pricing scheme is a lose-lose situation for the
customer:

- it's more expensive both short-term and long term
- it will make them harder to buy at retail stores...you can pay
different prices for an item with the same UPC code
- it appears there will be no more month-to-month payment option, which
I suspect is what people *actually* liked in the TiVo surveys
- another strong argument against month-to-month is that you would then
be able to walk out of a retail store with a TiVo box without paying
a dime...just *promising* to pay something
- the pricing model is exactly as if it were a lease, but you don't seem
to get the advantages of a lease (upgrade to new hardware as it comes
out, free repairs, etc.)

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On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:
Not at all the same as the program guide is automatically inserted into
the TiVo to be used with Wish Lists and Season passes. For ANYONE who
watches a reasonable amount of TV it saves hours of searching your
Sunday TV Section in the paper.

Exactly, information that is delivered OTA free.

Most TVs bought in the last 5 years or so are capable of getting program
info either over the air or from the capable provider.

And MythTV gets its guide data for free, along with the software being
free and the hardware may be free too.

If you're a TiVo fan, lets hope they know what they're doing. If you're
anti-TiVo, lets hope they don't know what they're doing. If you're in the
middle, you probably don't care all that much.

What was the point again? Oh yeah, expensive TiVo pricing plans... If
you think it's too expensive for what you're getting, don't get a TiVo -
problem solved.

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What was the point again? Oh yeah, expensive TiVo pricing plans... If
you think it's too expensive for what you're getting, don't get a TiVo -
problem solved.

And if you don't like my opinions, ignore me - problem solved.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

In article , Bob
wrote:

Regardless, if you've paid for the equipment, $20 a month is a bit steep.

If someone buys a 3 year old Tivo off ebay, they are not going to want to
pay $20 a month to get programming info. Whether the rest of it is being
licensed to them or not.

I think that, whatever you get for your money, prices at these levels
are going to scare potential customers away. We know how good these
machines are because we've been using them. New customers are a
different deal.

I think they might do well offering a free 30-day tryout. Hook 'em and
reel 'em in. I don't think anybody who uses one of these things for a
month could possibly give it up.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

In article ,
"Bob" wrote:

Not at all the same as the program guide is automatically inserted into
the TiVo to be used with Wish Lists and Season passes. For ANYONE who
watches a reasonable amount of TV it saves hours of searching your
Sunday TV Section in the paper.

Exactly, information that is delivered OTA free.

Most TVs bought in the last 5 years or so are capable of getting program
info either over the air or from the capable provider.

Fine but they dont get it two weeks into the future, or stick it into
software for Wish Lists and Season Passes.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

In article ,
"Bob" wrote:

What was the point again? Oh yeah, expensive TiVo pricing plans... If
you think it's too expensive for what you're getting, don't get a TiVo -
problem solved.

And if you don't like my opinions, ignore me - problem solved.

OK - PLONK Bob

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

"Jack Zwick" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bob" wrote:

What was the point again? Oh yeah, expensive TiVo pricing plans...
If
you think it's too expensive for what you're getting, don't get a
TiVo -
problem solved.

And if you don't like my opinions, ignore me - problem solved.

OK - PLONK Bob

I was wondering how long it would take you to butt in.

Yeah right, like you ignore anything posted in this newsgroup.

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:58:24 +0000, Seth wrote:

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
Not likely. And if
the sub price is going to be the same, I'll garauntee there will be an up
front cost for the hardware. I left that at $500, for a total of $969 for
3 years of service. And I bet that's lower than it will actually be. The
cost to make the S3 is going to be a lot more than the S2. It wouldn't
suprise me to see an $800 or more sticker price plus the sub fee. Yeah,
Tivo loves you.:-)

See, this is pretty positive proof that you will try your best to spin thins
to suit your argument.

What this is, is positive proof that I'm not blinded by Tivo faith and
bias like you are. While other people in the group have estimated base
prices of $1K you have said nothing. And I leave it at $500 and you call
me a spin doctor. It's MY best guess. Actually I think it's going to lot
higher but I kept it low just so people like you wouldn't bitch. I can
that was a waste of time and effort now. you can't seriously believe
yourself I hope. No one else does.

Either make changes that match the press release, or
do nothing as the press release doesn't say anything specifically about
the HD unit. To make up your own numbers is dishonest and ridiculous.

You're an idiot if you think this. It's clearly stated as a guess. People
here keep bitching and I'll raise it to what I really think it'll be. $995
base plus sub. Don't like it tough.

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"Dr. Personality" wrote in message
...
In article , Bob
wrote:

Regardless, if you've paid for the equipment, $20 a month is a bit
steep.


Be careful there Doc, don't question, criticize or express an opinion here
that the Tivo Nazis don't like.

They'll get you if you don't watch out. They work in tandem.

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"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:58:24 +0000, Seth wrote:

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
Not likely. And if
the sub price is going to be the same, I'll garauntee there will be an
up
front cost for the hardware. I left that at $500, for a total of $969
for
3 years of service. And I bet that's lower than it will actually be. The
cost to make the S3 is going to be a lot more than the S2. It wouldn't
suprise me to see an $800 or more sticker price plus the sub fee. Yeah,
Tivo loves you.:-)

See, this is pretty positive proof that you will try your best to spin
thins
to suit your argument.

What this is, is positive proof that I'm not blinded by Tivo faith and
bias like you are. While other people in the group have estimated base
prices of $1K you have said nothing. And I leave it at $500 and you call
me a spin doctor. It's MY best guess. Actually I think it's going to lot
higher but I kept it low just so people like you wouldn't bitch. I can
that was a waste of time and effort now. you can't seriously believe
yourself I hope. No one else does.

No, it's proof poitive that you're pulling number out of your ass. You are
documenting the un-documentable.

Either make changes that match the press release, or
do nothing as the press release doesn't say anything specifically about
the HD unit. To make up your own numbers is dishonest and ridiculous.

You're an idiot if you think this. It's clearly stated as a guess. People
here keep bitching and I'll raise it to what I really think it'll be. $995
base plus sub. Don't like it tough.

And here we go with the name calling. I have yet to call you names, yet you
need to do that as if it was same way to prove a point.

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On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:
"Jack Zwick" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bob" wrote:

What was the point again? Oh yeah, expensive TiVo pricing plans...
If
you think it's too expensive for what you're getting, don't get a
TiVo -
problem solved.

And if you don't like my opinions, ignore me - problem solved.

OK - PLONK Bob

I was wondering how long it would take you to butt in.

Yeah right, like you ignore anything posted in this newsgroup.

Well, I thought he PLONKed you a bit early, but I do think Jack uses
killfiles so I think he does actually "ignore" things posted in this
group.

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:24:53 -0500, Randy S. wrote:

See, this is pretty positive proof that you will try your best to spin thins
to suit your argument. Either make changes that match the press release, or
do nothing as the press release doesn't say anything specifically about the
HD unit. To make up your own numbers is dishonest and ridiculous.

It's why I've stopped even trying to correct him, he has no base in
reality. I think it's important to note that no one else has even
*speculated* as to a price or pricing model for the s3, as we have no
idea what they may do.

That's BS and you know it. There's been lots of specualtion. Even in this
group. They're taking surveys on the web about it. How many people do you
think will believe this.

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Well, I thought he PLONKed you a bit early, but I do think Jack uses
killfiles so I think he does actually "ignore" things posted in this
group.

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lol, he's about the only poster I've ever come across that PLONKs people who
aren't even addressing him.

Oh, well I hope he feels better.

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On 2006-03-09, Bob wrote:

"Dr. Personality" wrote in message
...
In article , Bob
wrote:

Regardless, if you've paid for the equipment, $20 a month is a bit
steep.


Be careful there Doc, don't question, criticize or express an opinion here
that the Tivo Nazis don't like.

I think most here will agree that $20/month is a bit steep. I liked the
idea of giving one month free to hook people, but they still won't want to
get a box that costs $20/month. Of course, the $20 is the worst case with
the best being $13/month. People are currently paying $13/month plus
money down for the box so obviously people will pay $13/month with no
money down. The question becomes, how much over $13/month will people pay
instead of paying money down for the box. TiVo has a number of price
points between $13 and $20 - we'll see how it goes. I was always a fan of
the lifetime so I'm bummed that's going away but I do think few got the
lifetime and TiVo doesn't like it as much since on paper, it doesn't look
like guaranteed money like the subscription fees do.

They'll get you if you don't watch out. They work in tandem.

Contrary to this belief, there isn't a conspiracy here.

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In article ,
Mike Hunt wrote:

I think most here will agree that $20/month is a bit steep.

How is buying a 80 Gig TiVo for no money upfront and $7/month steep??

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:22:49 +0000, Bob wrote:

That's playing with semantics. As to whether you are licensing it or buying
it. Best Buy doesn't run ads for Turbo Tax saying "for license". The
advertise it "for sale". All over their website are buttons for software to
click that say "Buy Now".

Regardless, if you've paid for the equipment, $20 a month is a bit steep.

If someone buys a 3 year old Tivo off ebay, they are not going to want to
pay $20 a month to get programming info. Whether the rest of it is being
licensed to them or not.

Under the new fee schedule, one would be a fool to pay for a used Tivo
unless it had a transferable lifetime sub, Tivo Basic, or an old S1 unit
that doesn't require a sub. So they've quietly just put the screws to ALL
S2 owners that don't have a lifetime sub. And it wouldn't surprise me if
they quit honoring those except from the original purchaser.

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On 2006-03-09, Jack Zwick wrote:
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Mike Hunt wrote:

I think most here will agree that $20/month is a bit steep.

How is buying a 80 Gig TiVo for no money upfront and $7/month steep??

Last I saw, the 80G TiVo was $69.99. $7*12months = 84 which is $14.01
more than what it currently is costing. Plus, what happens at the end of
the year? Currently, you would own the hardware. With this new scheme,
do you then sign up for another year of service for an additional $7/month
on top of the normal $13?

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On 2006-03-09, Wes Newell wrote:

Under the new fee schedule, one would be a fool to pay for a used Tivo
unless it had a transferable lifetime sub, Tivo Basic, or an old S1 unit
that doesn't require a sub.

Amazing, but I'm agreeing with Wes here :-)

So they've quietly just put the screws to ALL S2 owners that don't have
a lifetime sub.

The new fee structure only impacts new boxes. All current S2 owners won't
see an increase in their bill. So, it's not quite as bad as you make it
sound.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they quit honoring those except from the
original purchaser.

This would surprise me. I'd even wager money this won't happen.

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I think most here will agree that $20/month is a bit steep. I liked the
idea of giving one month free to hook people, but they still won't want to
get a box that costs $20/month. Of course, the $20 is the worst case with
the best being $13/month. People are currently paying $13/month plus
money down for the box so obviously people will pay $13/month with no
money down. The question becomes, how much over $13/month will people pay
instead of paying money down for the box. TiVo has a number of price
points between $13 and $20 - we'll see how it goes. I was always a fan of
the lifetime so I'm bummed that's going away but I do think few got the
lifetime and TiVo doesn't like it as much since on paper, it doesn't look
like guaranteed money like the subscription fees do.

They'll get you if you don't watch out. They work in tandem.

Contrary to this belief, there isn't a conspiracy here.

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That's my point. A lot of people aren't going to want to pay $20 for
something that they perceive, rightly or wrongly, should be free. You
understand and I understand the licensing deal, but average Joe Six Pack
just sees them getting $20 a month out of him. Month after month.

And I agree, the lifetime sub was the way to go. Everybody I know that's had
Tivo for awhile took the lifetime option. I think it was $99 in the
beginning. At 20 bucks a pop, that doesn't even get you through baseball
season now.

They might sell more Tivos if there was no monthly charge. But I guess
there's a finite number of buyers.

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You just don't get it.

Now don't you start on me.

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Once upon a time, Bob said:
Exactly, information that is delivered OTA free.

Not the same information by a long shot. The TiVo data has a lot of
details (that are used for Wish Lists and Season Passes) that is not in
the free TV Guide data.

Most TVs bought in the last 5 years or so are capable of getting program
info either over the air or from the capable provider.

I have 4 TVs at home, 3 bought in the last 5 years, and none of them get
any program data. My father has a TV that does, and the data is mostly
garbage (incorrect information is common and a number of channels with
no data).

Someone (IIRC RCA) tried (and failed) to sell a DVR a couple of years
ago that used that as its data source.
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Yes, the pricing MODEL may be what people want, but the price is too
steep. My cable provider rents DVRs for $10/month. The popular ploy
with these pricing models is to give a cut rate for the first 6 months,
then jack it up to regular rate. This would work well for them; as
someone said, once someone starts using one, it will be hard to give up.

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Mike Hunt ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
So they've quietly just put the screws to ALL S2 owners that don't have
a lifetime sub.

The new fee structure only impacts new boxes. All current S2 owners won't
see an increase in their bill. So, it's not quite as bad as you make it
sound.

Except that somebody that bought an S2 two months ago and is month-to-
month to see if its worth it will have to make a decision *right now* if
it is good enough to be worth paying for lifetime. Before this
announcement, they could basically dither about it forever.

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Mike Hunt writes:

On 2006-03-09, Jack Zwick wrote:
In article ,
Mike Hunt wrote:

I think most here will agree that $20/month is a bit steep.

How is buying a 80 Gig TiVo for no money upfront and $7/month steep??

Last I saw, the 80G TiVo was $69.99. $7*12months = 84 which is
$14.01 more than what it currently is costing. Plus, what happens
at the end of the year? Currently, you would own the hardware.
With this new scheme, do you then sign up for another year of
service for an additional $7/month on top of the normal $13?


I might be giving TiVo too much credit but reading the press release I
got the impression that the commitment and higher fee was effectively a
way of buying the TiVo on an installment plan. Hopefully once the
commitment is up the service fee will drop back to the normal $13.

The reason I think this may be the case is because in the press
release they seem to be making a point of listing the new prices as
being for a bundle of the TiVo box and service while making separate
reference for to new prepayment options for boxes bought through
retail channels. If this was a new uniform pricing policy it would
have made sense to include it in the same press release. The mention
of retail sales also suggests that this may not be a universal change
in fees. How many people would go choose to pay retail, submit a
rebate, and still pay the high fee instead of just requesting a TiVo
shipped directly to them with no rebate hoops to jump through?

Finally, if the higher price does continue after your commitment is up
then I suspect many people will simply ask TiVo for a brand new,
probably higher capacity, DVR and then use MRV to transfer everything
over before canceling service on the old unit. That way you would
at least have a new Tivo.

Also, won't this change in direct sales policy require TiVo to extend
their warranty on the longer commitments? If you have a three year
service commitment and your box breaks after the first year I think
most people would be highly annoyed to be told that they either had to
pay the repair cost their self or keep paying the service fee for two
more years on a door stop.