TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

On 2006-03-16, JEDIDIAH wrote:

The integrated DirectTivos actually have LESS features than
a cobbled together solution would. This fact is primarily what is
driving my interest in MythTV and the like.

But a hacked DirecTiVo is much more functional than a normal DirecTiVo so
you should consider that as well in your equation of figuring out what is
best to do.

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TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

Once upon a time, JEDIDIAH said:
The integrated DirectTivos actually have LESS features than
a cobbled together solution would. This fact is primarily what is
driving my interest in MythTV and the like.

The primary feature of an integrated DirecTV/TiVo receiver is TV, and
the integrated unit does that better than anything else can. There is a
significant difference in picture quality between an integrated unit and
a stand-alone receiver feeding a stand-alone TiVo (I have had both).
Only the integrated unit has access to the digital signal and can record
it without quality loss from decompression/recompression.
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TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

JEDIDIAH wrote:
On 2006-03-16, Fred Bloggs wrote:

"Peter H. Coffin" wrote in message
. ..

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:10:43 -0800, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Personally, I think that TiVo is dead if they continue with the
subscriber
model. The have lost the Directv market, they are unlikely to make a
significant dent in the cable market anytime soon. So all that is left to
them is the OTA market, and the people who don't have satellite or cable
are
the most resistant to paying subscriptions (which is why the don't have
cable or satellite!).

*blinkblink* You mean my Tivo can't work with my satellite box? I better
go unplug it!

No, what mean is that an integrated TiVo/satellite box (like the Directivo
box) is a much better solution for most people. Few people buying new will
buy a stand alone TiVo for use with an external cable or satellite box when
there are integrated boxes available with more functionality at a lower
price.


snort

The integrated DirectTivos actually have LESS features than
a cobbled together solution would. This fact is primarily what is
driving my interest in MythTV and the like.

[deletia]



Two tuners and playback quality equal to the original satellite
broadcast trump all features of a standalone TiVo. We can watch
programs from either of our DirecTV DVRs on more than one television set
in the house. No additional equipment needed other than a remote RF
transmitter/receiver pair.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

"Howard" wrote in message
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"Bob" wrote in
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But, regardless of the pricing plans if your talking about the Tivo
equipment (hardware), it's depreciation.

I'm not. I'm talking about the cost of the hardware. At no point have I
been unclear on that.

Doesn't matter what you were talking about. The original poster said:

"The upfront cost can be a bit hard to swallow, esp. for the S3 if it
comes out in the $1000 area. I think that's why Tivo is switching over
to an amortized hardware cost rather than a lump sum model."

That's depreciation. Just as the cost of your hardware will be depreciated.
Not amortized. You can't separate the two. The cost is the hardware.

You want amortize something you can amortize the loan to fund the purchase
of the hardware.

Amortize the loan. Depreciate the (cost) hardware

I guess you'll just have to trust me on this one.

For amortization see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amortiz...%28business%29

For depreciation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depreciation

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TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

Doesn't matter what you were talking about. The original poster said:

"The upfront cost can be a bit hard to swallow, esp. for the S3 if it
comes out in the $1000 area. I think that's why Tivo is switching over
to an amortized hardware cost rather than a lump sum model."

That's depreciation. Just as the cost of your hardware will be depreciated.
Not amortized. You can't separate the two. The cost is the hardware.

You want amortize something you can amortize the loan to fund the purchase
of the hardware.

Amortize the loan. Depreciate the (cost) hardware

I guess you'll just have to trust me on this one.

For amortization see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amortiz...%28business%29

For depreciation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depreciation

Happy St Pat's Day....it's Guinness time.

Bob, I think the reason I used amortize is that Tivo is essentially
"loaning" the hardware (or you could say they are loaning the cost of
the hardware) to the customer and receiving what are essentially "loan
payments" in the form of elevated monthly sub rates. So if you look at
it as if Tivo is fronting the cost of the equipment for you, I think
amortize is correct. I always think of depreciation as the drop in
value of equipment over time, but I suppose it is also used to spread
out the value of an item over time as well.

Randy S.

TiVo announces new pricing plans
 

Randy, that's understandable, and basically, that's what depreciation is.
The value, or specifically cost, of a piece of equipment, hardware, is
written off over the expected useful life of the item. By the time you get
to the end of the useful life, the value is close to zero. The cost, value,
has depreciated down to zero on your books.

But close enough. Technically, from an accounting standpoint, it's not
amortization, but the concept of amortization and depreciation is the
allocation of something over a period of time and that's what your point
was.

Happy Spring !!!!


"Randy S." wrote in message
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Doesn't matter what you were talking about. The original poster said:

"The upfront cost can be a bit hard to swallow, esp. for the S3 if it
comes out in the $1000 area. I think that's why Tivo is switching over
to an amortized hardware cost rather than a lump sum model."

That's depreciation. Just as the cost of your hardware will be
depreciated.
Not amortized. You can't separate the two. The cost is the hardware.

You want amortize something you can amortize the loan to fund the
purchase
of the hardware.

Amortize the loan. Depreciate the (cost) hardware

I guess you'll just have to trust me on this one.

For amortization see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amortiz...%28business%29

For depreciation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depreciation

Happy St Pat's Day....it's Guinness time.

Bob, I think the reason I used amortize is that Tivo is essentially
"loaning" the hardware (or you could say they are loaning the cost of
the hardware) to the customer and receiving what are essentially "loan
payments" in the form of elevated monthly sub rates. So if you look at
it as if Tivo is fronting the cost of the equipment for you, I think
amortize is correct. I always think of depreciation as the drop in
value of equipment over time, but I suppose it is also used to spread
out the value of an item over time as well.

Randy S.