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Edster wrote:
For the people who wanted to see it. It comes on after the first advert break, spins around for a bit, then the text changes, it spins around a bit more, then fades away. Who wants to bet this will be a feature of all programmes within 3 months? Ergh. It's already driving me mad that various channels have started warping the credits and filling half the screen with trailers. This is far more intrusive. |
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In uk.media.tv.sky on Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Stephen Henson wrote :
Ergh. It's already driving me mad that various channels have started warping the credits and filling half the screen with trailers. This is far more intrusive. That's not as annoying (to me) as per below. What annoys me is cutting bits out to leave space for more adverts. This is often very crudely done in mid sentence. That and shows at 10pm or 2am still being censored. IMO shows should be shown uncut at an appropriate timeslot, or not at all. Several of the Just Shoot Me episodes currently being shown on C4 have been totally butchered, with over a minute being cut out! :( -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:54:09 +0000, HVB wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:30:08 -0000, Stephen Henson wrote: What annoys me is cutting bits out to leave space for more adverts. This is often very crudely done in mid sentence. I notice that some channels (UKTV Docs and People, for example) are blurring the line between their programmes and advertising. On quite a few occasions I've noticed that they just seem to drift between the two, rather than having a very clear demarcation. No doubt an attempt to file the ad skippers :-) -- Regards Dave Saville NB Remove no-spam- for good email address |
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"Paul Hyett" wrote
IMO shows should be shown uncut at an appropriate timeslot, or not at all. You won't get any argument from me on that issue. Several of the Just Shoot Me episodes currently being shown on C4 have been totally butchered, with over a minute being cut out! :( You obviously didn't watch "Invasion" on C4 last Sunday evening. It started at 8.06pm and finished at 8.51pm. And that included two ad-breaks. To say that they're now taking the **** would be a complete understatement :( Kieran -- The UK Sci-Fi TV Book Guide http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.seymour1/ukbookguide/ A comprehensive guide to 50 years of novelisations and script books from the UK and US. |
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Stephen Henson wrote:
What annoys me is cutting bits out to leave space for more adverts. This is often very crudely done in mid sentence. Two of my favourite old series have been butchered in this way by ITV3; both 'Rumpole of the Bailey' and 'Poirot' were beautifully crafted productions when they were originally made. Now, the traditional (viz old IBA) concept of commercials being placed in a 'natural break' (eg a scene change or cliff-hanger etc) has been completely abandoned by ITV3 and horrid electronic captions are crudely cut to screen in mid-sentence, devoid of even the most basic cross-fade with accompanying lagging (or leading) sound to smooth the transition. Yet the original productions had quite delightful 'End of Part' stings which respected the 'natural break' concept - why do ITV3 deliberately desecrate classic programmes which were made to the highest production standards of the last fifty years ? Despite my great fondness for Rumpole and Poirot I have now given-up watching them being butchered on ITV3. |
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Kieran Seymour wrote:
You obviously didn't watch "Invasion" on C4 last Sunday evening. It started at 8.06pm and finished at 8.51pm. And that included two ad-breaks. Were they very short ad breaks? Don't forget that the average US show is only around 41 mins long, so showing it in 45 mins including 2 short ad breaks (ie about 2 mins each) sounds about right! -- Carl Waring http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495 |
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"Colonel Montague Kitchen-Sink [Retired]" wrote in message ... Stephen Henson wrote: What annoys me is cutting bits out to leave space for more adverts. This is often very crudely done in mid sentence. Two of my favourite old series have been butchered in this way by ITV3; both 'Rumpole of the Bailey' and 'Poirot' were beautifully crafted productions when they were originally made. Now, the traditional (viz old IBA) concept of commercials being placed in a 'natural break' (eg a scene change or cliff-hanger etc) has been completely abandoned by ITV3 and horrid electronic captions are crudely cut to screen in mid-sentence, devoid of even the most basic cross-fade with accompanying lagging (or leading) sound to smooth the transition. Yet the original productions had quite delightful 'End of Part' stings which respected the 'natural break' concept - why do ITV3 deliberately desecrate classic programmes which were made to the highest production standards of the last fifty years ? Despite my great fondness for Rumpole and Poirot I have now given-up watching them being butchered on ITV3. Maybe for the simple reason that many of those series were made for three parts with two ad breaks of two or three minutes, whereas we now live in an age of mandatory three break minimum and usually of four minutes each. Ever noticed how often these progs overrun by 2-3 minutes? -- Woody harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com |
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Kieran Seymour wrote:
"Paul Hyett" wrote IMO shows should be shown uncut at an appropriate timeslot, or not at all. You won't get any argument from me on that issue. Several of the Just Shoot Me episodes currently being shown on C4 have been totally butchered, with over a minute being cut out! :( You obviously didn't watch "Invasion" on C4 last Sunday evening. It started at 8.06pm and finished at 8.51pm. And that included two ad-breaks. To say that they're now taking the **** would be a complete understatement :( Kieran -- The UK Sci-Fi TV Book Guide http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.seymour1/ukbookguide/ A comprehensive guide to 50 years of novelisations and script books from the UK and US. ER on Thursday caught me out. No sooner than the credits had finished an ad. break appeared. I reckon that that was about ~4mins, including the opening credits before the first break. It's bad enough having to watch/skip the mind-numbing ads. but if this really now is the way that commercial TV is going, along the lines of the US, then I'll give up watching. Clem |
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Colonel Montague Kitchen-Sink [Retired] wrote:
Stephen Henson wrote: What annoys me is cutting bits out to leave space for more adverts. This is often very crudely done in mid sentence. Two of my favourite old series have been butchered in this way by ITV3; both 'Rumpole of the Bailey' and 'Poirot' were beautifully crafted productions when they were originally made. Now, the traditional (viz old IBA) concept of commercials being placed in a 'natural break' (eg a scene change or cliff-hanger etc) has been completely abandoned by ITV3 and horrid electronic captions are crudely cut to screen in mid-sentence, devoid of even the most basic cross-fade with accompanying lagging (or leading) sound to smooth the transition. Yet the original productions had quite delightful 'End of Part' stings which respected the 'natural break' concept - why do ITV3 deliberately desecrate classic programmes which were made to the highest production standards of the last fifty years ? Despite my great fondness for Rumpole and Poirot I have now given-up watching them being butchered on ITV3. This butchery extends to ITV2 and ITV4 too. We watch (at present) the Surface programme. I've lost count of the times it's been chopped in mid-scene for a commercial break. Likewise on ITV4. Occasionally, I like to take in an episode of UFO. Same thing. All this mindless 'vandalism' does (for me at least) is to put me off watching altogether. Clem |
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Clem Dye wrote:
This butchery extends to ITV2 and ITV4 too. We watch (at present) the Surface programme. I've lost count of the times it's been chopped in mid-scene for a commercial break. Likewise on ITV4. Occasionally, I like to take in an episode of UFO. Same thing. All this mindless 'vandalism' does (for me at least) is to put me off watching altogether. Unfortunately all of these type of channels have their playlists 'thrown together' by low paid operational trainees. They sift up and down recordings of the programmes to decide where to bung in the breaks, and enter the position (taken from the timecode track) into the playout computer. They've got no interest in the material they're viewing, and typically they're only employable because of their incredibly low attention spans. The result as noted, is crap. To be honest you may as well get the playout computer itself to randomly assign the break points, it couldn't do any worse. Of course the next logical progression will be to reduce the 'effort' that goes into 'presenting' material on 'proper' channels BBC1,2, ITV1, C4, 5. Expect no improvement. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
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Colonel Montague Kitchen-Sink [Retired] wrote: Yet the original productions had quite delightful 'End of Part' stings which respected the 'natural break' concept - why do ITV3 deliberately desecrate classic programmes which were made to the highest production standards of the last fifty years ? Because there's more advertising minutes allowed per hour now than when those progs were made. And I agree the butchering is horrible. All down to cost again. The progs could have been re-edited *properly* for today's requirements - they've obviously had the original EOP and BOP removed. -- *A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Stephen Henson wrote: The quality of the video source material is also grotty in some cases. Multiple analogue generations. The original would have been fine. Early Rumpoles on C Format and later ones MII. The static captions have some clearly visible shaking. These could well have been a camera pointed at a caption stand. Shaking did occur when they had to be changed quickly. ;-) An early version of "Taggart" recently shown had what looked like video tracking noise at one point followed by the effect often seen with crunched tape. Early Taggart was film all the way through post production. But archives will be tape - although the TX film print may still exist. But the cost of another transfer too high. These channels run on peanuts. -- *I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Colonel Montague Kitchen-Sink [Retired] wrote:
Stephen Henson wrote: What annoys me is cutting bits out to leave space for more adverts. This is often very crudely done in mid sentence. Two of my favourite old series have been butchered in this way by ITV3; both 'Rumpole of the Bailey' and 'Poirot' were beautifully crafted productions when they were originally made. Now, the traditional (viz old IBA) concept of commercials being placed in a 'natural break' (eg a scene change or cliff-hanger etc) has been completely abandoned by ITV3 and horrid electronic captions are crudely cut to screen in mid-sentence, devoid of even the most basic cross-fade with accompanying lagging (or leading) sound to smooth the transition. Yet the original productions had quite delightful 'End of Part' stings which respected the 'natural break' concept - why do ITV3 deliberately desecrate classic programmes which were made to the highest production standards of the last fifty years ? Despite my great fondness for Rumpole and Poirot I have now given-up watching them being butchered on ITV3. They're only copying what the UKtv* group have been doing for years. UKtv Drama is especially bad, not even showing series in story order which makes a nonsense of some episodes. -- Peter |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Stephen Henson wrote: The quality of the video source material is also grotty in some cases. Multiple analogue generations. The original would have been fine. Early Rumpoles on C Format and later ones MII. The static captions have some clearly visible shaking. These could well have been a camera pointed at a caption stand. Shaking did occur when they had to be changed quickly. ;-) An early version of "Taggart" recently shown had what looked like video tracking noise at one point followed by the effect often seen with crunched tape. Early Taggart was film all the way through post production. But archives will be tape - although the TX film print may still exist. But the cost of another transfer too high. These channels run on peanuts. The *really* early Taggarts were studio plus film. -- Peter |
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In message , Kieran Seymour
wrote You obviously didn't watch "Invasion" on C4 last Sunday evening. It started at 8.06pm and finished at 8.51pm. And that included two ad-breaks. They cut out the20 minutes of additional of ad breaks that you would have seen on US TV -- Alan news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com |
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harrogate2 wrote:
Maybe for the simple reason that many of those series were made for three parts with two ad breaks of two or three minutes, whereas we now live in an age of mandatory three break minimum and usually of four minutes each. Yes, this is indeed the cause, but the objectionable effects described could be avoided by re-versioning the programmes to something closer to what the original Director intended. Explicitly, this would involve getting out the original mastertape, identifying the additional new NATURAL breaks, and (ideally) retaining the original tasteful Ends of Part stings. Most programmes comprise several specific scenes, so it's not difficult, and whilst inevitably, such re-versioning would cost a few bob in terms of time in an editing suite, the result should be far more professional than the cheap and nasty presentation we currently have to endure. Ever noticed how often these progs overrun by 2-3 minutes? And, despite the originals being 'one hour programmes' they are now often scheduled as 65 or even 70 minute slots - Tacky or what ! Mark Carver wrote: Unfortunately all of these type of channels have their playlists 'thrown together' by low paid operational trainees .... They've got no interest in the material they're viewing and typically they're only employable because of their incredibly low attention spans. It shows ! Are there any dedicated professionals with a passion for getting-it-right now left in British television ? OK that was a rhetorical question - I'm not really expecting an answer. |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:44:36 -0000, "Colonel Montague Kitchen-Sink [Retired]"
wrote: Are there any dedicated professionals with a passion for getting-it-right now left in British television ? OK that was a rhetorical question - I'm not really expecting an answer. The Dr Who Restoration Team are TV professionals I believe but they are doing the Dr Who stuff for love note money http://www.restoration-team.co.uk/ -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:30:02 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: Because there's more advertising minutes allowed per hour now than when those progs were made I wasn't aware that OFCOM had allowed the amount of commercials to be increased recently. AFAIK it's the same as it has been for at least 5 years http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/codes...uling_adv/rasa -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:05:28 +0000, Paul Hyett
wrote: I wonder if channels get more complaints about censorship than 'inappropriate' language/scenes? Complaints from viewers about censorship are easily ignored. Complaints from Ofcom about 'inappropriate' language/scenes are not. |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:35:26 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: Early Taggart was film all the way through post production. But archives will be tape - although the TX film print may still exist. But the cost of another transfer too high. These channels run on peanuts. It would be nice to think that one day, more of these original film prints would be tracked down to be given another lease of life through HD.. |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:54:17 -0000, "Mark Carver"
wrote: They sift up and down recordings of the programmes to decide where to bung in the breaks, and enter the position (taken from the timecode track) into the playout computer. You see this on Hallmark sometimes - quite often after the break you'll see a few frames of the scene before the break. |
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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:05:28 +0000, Paul Hyett wrote: I wonder if channels get more complaints about censorship than 'inappropriate' language/scenes? Complaints from viewers about censorship are easily ignored. Complaints from Ofcom about 'inappropriate' language/scenes are not. Indeed. And if viewers do not cancel their subscriptions complaining about on-screen crap and video-spam, BSKYB will not act unless they fear a financial penalty. |
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Nigel Barker wrote: I wasn't aware that OFCOM had allowed the amount of commercials to be increased recently. AFAIK it's the same as it has been for at least 5 years And Rumpole was made how many years ago? -- *Letting a cat out of the bag is easier than putting it back in * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Colonel Montague Kitchen-Sink [Retired] wrote:
Now, the traditional (viz old IBA) concept of commercials being placed in a 'natural break' (eg a scene change or cliff-hanger etc) has been completely abandoned by ITV3 and horrid electronic captions are crudely cut to screen in mid-sentence, devoid of even the most basic cross-fade with accompanying lagging (or leading) sound to smooth the transition. Yet the original productions had quite delightful 'End of Part' stings which respected the 'natural break' concept - why do ITV3 deliberately desecrate classic programmes which were made to the highest production standards of the last fifty years ? There also seems to be a desire to ensure that commercial breaks are aligned with those on the other channels. Hence there is little incentive to skip to another channel to skip the adverts (and less chance you may get engrossed in some other program and fail to return!) So even if the broadcasters wanted to redo the ad transitions nicely at natural break points to accomodate more ad time, they probably would not since they would risk loosing viewers mid program. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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In uk.media.tv.sky on Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Heracles Pollux wrote :
Complaints from viewers about censorship are easily ignored. Complaints from Ofcom about 'inappropriate' language/scenes are not. Indeed. And if viewers do not cancel their subscriptions complaining about on-screen crap and video-spam, BSKYB will not act unless they fear a financial penalty. But there needs to be some middle ground - something between accepting all the crap they throw at us, and cancelling your subscription entirely. As for censorship : If you have kids in the house, then it's *your* job to prevent them watching something you consider inappropriate. If not, then STFU and don't try to use the gov't to dictate to other adults what they may or may not watch! :( -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett |
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John Rumm wrote:
There also seems to be a desire to ensure that commercial breaks are aligned with those on the other channels. That's the one. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:32:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Nigel Barker wrote: I wasn't aware that OFCOM had allowed the amount of commercials to be increased recently. AFAIK it's the same as it has been for at least 5 years And Rumpole was made how many years ago? Point taken. OFCOM also legislates that advertising breaks must only occur in 'natural break' so it looks like there are strong grounds for a complaint if UK Gold are ignoring this. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/codes...cog_nat_breaks -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:03:02 +0000, John Rumm
wrote: There also seems to be a desire to ensure that commercial breaks are aligned with those on the other channels. That's a bit of a conspiracy theory - I doubt if it's that co-ordinated. Otherwise one 'rogue' channel could just scoop all the viewers by showing programmes while everyone else is in a break. There would be more of a financial incentive to disobey that rule (if one existed) than to obey it - so it could never hold. Commercial breaks tend to occur at the same kind of time across all the channels because the programmes all tend to start at the same kind of time (on the hour or half hour), tend to last the same kind of time (half an hour, one hour), and so will naturally have those breaks at pretty even positions throughout each show. (Especially when legislation governs this - e.g. the 20 minute rule.) |
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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:03:02 +0000, John Rumm wrote: There also seems to be a desire to ensure that commercial breaks are aligned with those on the other channels. That's a bit of a conspiracy theory - I doubt if it's that co-ordinated. Otherwise one 'rogue' channel could just scoop all the viewers by showing programmes while everyone else is in a break. There would be more of a financial incentive to disobey that rule (if one existed) than to obey it - so it could never hold. Commercial breaks tend to occur at the same kind of time across all the channels because the programmes all tend to start at the same kind of time (on the hour or half hour), tend to last the same kind of time (half an hour, one hour), and so will naturally have those breaks at pretty even positions throughout each show. (Especially when legislation governs this - e.g. the 20 minute rule.) They dont 'tend' to occur together, a quick flip through the Sky channels from 106 upwards during an ad break would show that they are synchronised, at least the ones numbered up to 130 are. And its more likely the first ad break in would be at about 8 minutes in, not 15. -- Tumbleweed email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com |
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Stephen Henson wrote: Two of my favourite old series have been butchered in this way by ITV3; both 'Rumpole of the Bailey' and 'Poirot' were beautifully crafted productions when they were originally made. Yes Rumpole is one of the programmes I've noticed where this is particularly badly done. Just watched Rumpole tonight. With some horrendous 'edits' into the breaks. Looks like they were done by machine - not man. Even clipped words. Although obviously at some point the original EOP and BOP must have been edited out. But what was even worse was the *appalling* sound quality. This was a later episode made on MII and the original TX master would have been fine. The transfer from that (or a copy) suggested the play in machine not having been lined up or had worn sound heads, etc. A classic case of Dolby C miss tracking. The pictures, however, were pretty good. -- *I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:23:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote: They dont 'tend' to occur together, a quick flip through the Sky channels from 106 upwards during an ad break would show that they are synchronised, at least the ones numbered up to 130 are. And its more likely the first ad break in would be at about 8 minutes in, not 15. 100 channels all showing half-hour imports, all starting them on the hour, and all placing the breaks roughly half way through (which is only sensible) will of course all end up in breaks at roughly the same time. That doesn't mean that those channels have colluded to make that happen - just that they all start their programmes on a neat boundary, and they try to make programme parts of roughly equal length, because that's just common sense. |
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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:23:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed" wrote: They dont 'tend' to occur together, a quick flip through the Sky channels from 106 upwards during an ad break would show that they are synchronised, at least the ones numbered up to 130 are. And its more likely the first ad break in would be at about 8 minutes in, not 15. 100 channels all showing half-hour imports, all starting them on the hour, and all placing the breaks roughly half way through (which is only sensible) will of course all end up in breaks at roughly the same time. That doesn't mean that those channels have colluded to make that happen - just that they all start their programmes on a neat boundary, and they try to make programme parts of roughly equal length, because that's just common sense. Weak theory - ad breaks in the US arent coordinated, whilst, rather mysteriously, they are on Sky. Plus, they are a mix of US and UK shows (which would have very different frequencies and timings for ads) , and some also are shows that wouldnt normally have an ad break, red dwarf for example. Yet, they all have their ad breaks at the same time when shown on Sky. Jst try it, Switch to 106 and wait for a break, then skim up the channels. And down. All will be on an ad break. Wait till it finishes. Skim up, and down. None will be. -- Tumbleweed email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com |
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Edster wrote: "Carl Waring" wrote in message Kieran Seymour wrote: You obviously didn't watch "Invasion" on C4 last Sunday evening. It started at 8.06pm and finished at 8.51pm. And that included two ad-breaks. Were they very short ad breaks? Don't forget that the average US show is only around 41 mins long, so showing it in 45 mins including 2 short ad breaks (ie about 2 mins each) sounds about right! The original American episodes are easy enough to find. They're 42 minutes long excluding end credits. Converted to PAL they're just over 40 and a half minutes long. Having already seen some of the later episodes of Invasion I was quite surprised they put it on at 8pm. From what I saw of one episode of Invasion on both E4 and C4, you either got the programme uncut but in 4:3 on E4 or cut and in 16:9 on C4. I can't even be bothered to watch it any more. -- What'd you like, Normie? A reason to live. Gimme another beer. ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser Mobile: 07977820478 | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk ICQ:19835705 | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:49:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote: Weak theory - ad breaks in the US arent coordinated, whilst, rather mysteriously, they are on Sky. Plus, they are a mix of US and UK shows (which would have very different frequencies and timings for ads) , and some also are shows that wouldnt normally have an ad break, red dwarf for example. Yet, they all have their ad breaks at the same time when shown on Sky. Jst try it, Switch to 106 and wait for a break, then skim up the channels. And down. All will be on an ad break. Wait till it finishes. Skim up, and down. None will be. Centre breaks aside, go up and down the channels a few minutes before a programme starts and they'll all be in commercials. Of course they will - and you're surprised by that? That's supposed to be some kind of conspiracy? |
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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:49:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed" wrote: Weak theory - ad breaks in the US arent coordinated, whilst, rather mysteriously, they are on Sky. Plus, they are a mix of US and UK shows (which would have very different frequencies and timings for ads) , and some also are shows that wouldnt normally have an ad break, red dwarf for example. Yet, they all have their ad breaks at the same time when shown on Sky. Jst try it, Switch to 106 and wait for a break, then skim up the channels. And down. All will be on an ad break. Wait till it finishes. Skim up, and down. None will be. Centre breaks aside, go up and down the channels a few minutes before a programme starts and they'll all be in commercials. Of course they will - and you're surprised by that? That's supposed to be some kind of conspiracy? No, its suposed to be soem kind of fact. You'd need two parties for a onspiracy,and there is only one, Sky. The point is, its not a coincidence the mid break ad breaks are the same, its arranged that way. -- Tumbleweed email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com |
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:55:55 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote: No, its suposed to be soem kind of fact. You'd need two parties for a onspiracy,and there is only one, Sky. The point is, its not a coincidence the mid break ad breaks are the same, its arranged that way. That would only hold true if Sky operated every television channel there was. |
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