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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:03:02 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

There also seems to be a desire to ensure that commercial breaks are
aligned with those on the other channels.

That's a bit of a conspiracy theory - I doubt if it's that
co-ordinated. Otherwise one 'rogue' channel could just scoop all the
viewers by showing programmes while everyone else is in a break. There
would be more of a financial incentive to disobey that rule (if one
existed) than to obey it - so it could never hold.

Commercial breaks tend to occur at the same kind of time across all
the channels because the programmes all tend to start at the same kind
of time (on the hour or half hour), tend to last the same kind of time
(half an hour, one hour), and so will naturally have those breaks at
pretty even positions throughout each show. (Especially when
legislation governs this - e.g. the 20 minute rule.)

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:03:02 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

There also seems to be a desire to ensure that commercial breaks are
aligned with those on the other channels.

That's a bit of a conspiracy theory - I doubt if it's that
co-ordinated. Otherwise one 'rogue' channel could just scoop all the
viewers by showing programmes while everyone else is in a break. There
would be more of a financial incentive to disobey that rule (if one
existed) than to obey it - so it could never hold.

Commercial breaks tend to occur at the same kind of time across all
the channels because the programmes all tend to start at the same kind
of time (on the hour or half hour), tend to last the same kind of time
(half an hour, one hour), and so will naturally have those breaks at
pretty even positions throughout each show. (Especially when
legislation governs this - e.g. the 20 minute rule.)


They dont 'tend' to occur together, a quick flip through the Sky channels
from 106 upwards during an ad break would show that they are synchronised,
at least the ones numbered up to 130 are.
And its more likely the first ad break in would be at about 8 minutes in,
not 15.

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In article ,
Stephen Henson wrote:
Two of my favourite old series have been butchered in this way by ITV3;
both 'Rumpole of the Bailey' and 'Poirot' were beautifully crafted
productions when they were originally made.

Yes Rumpole is one of the programmes I've noticed where this is
particularly badly done.

Just watched Rumpole tonight. With some horrendous 'edits' into the
breaks. Looks like they were done by machine - not man. Even clipped
words. Although obviously at some point the original EOP and BOP must have
been edited out.

But what was even worse was the *appalling* sound quality. This was a
later episode made on MII and the original TX master would have been fine.
The transfer from that (or a copy) suggested the play in machine not
having been lined up or had worn sound heads, etc. A classic case of Dolby
C miss tracking.

The pictures, however, were pretty good.

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:23:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

They dont 'tend' to occur together, a quick flip through the Sky channels
from 106 upwards during an ad break would show that they are synchronised,
at least the ones numbered up to 130 are.
And its more likely the first ad break in would be at about 8 minutes in,
not 15.

100 channels all showing half-hour imports, all starting them on the
hour, and all placing the breaks roughly half way through (which is
only sensible) will of course all end up in breaks at roughly the same
time.

That doesn't mean that those channels have colluded to make that
happen - just that they all start their programmes on a neat boundary,
and they try to make programme parts of roughly equal length, because
that's just common sense.

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Hmm. Doesn't BBC1 do that? Does it work for them?

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:23:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

They dont 'tend' to occur together, a quick flip through the Sky channels
from 106 upwards during an ad break would show that they are synchronised,
at least the ones numbered up to 130 are.
And its more likely the first ad break in would be at about 8 minutes in,
not 15.

100 channels all showing half-hour imports, all starting them on the
hour, and all placing the breaks roughly half way through (which is
only sensible) will of course all end up in breaks at roughly the same
time.

That doesn't mean that those channels have colluded to make that
happen - just that they all start their programmes on a neat boundary,
and they try to make programme parts of roughly equal length, because
that's just common sense.


Weak theory - ad breaks in the US arent coordinated, whilst, rather
mysteriously, they are on Sky. Plus, they are a mix of US and UK shows
(which would have very different frequencies and timings for ads) , and some
also are shows that wouldnt normally have an ad break, red dwarf for
example. Yet, they all have their ad breaks at the same time when shown on
Sky. Jst try it, Switch to 106 and wait for a break, then skim up the
channels. And down. All will be on an ad break. Wait till it finishes. Skim
up, and down. None will be.

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Kieran Seymour wrote:
You obviously didn't watch "Invasion" on C4 last Sunday evening. It
started at 8.06pm and finished at 8.51pm. And that included two
ad-breaks.

Were they very short ad breaks? Don't forget that the average US show is
only around 41 mins long, so showing it in 45 mins including 2 short ad
breaks (ie about 2 mins each) sounds about right!

The original American episodes are easy enough to find. They're 42
minutes long excluding end credits. Converted to PAL they're just over 40
and a half minutes long. Having already seen some of the later episodes
of Invasion I was quite surprised they put it on at 8pm.

From what I saw of one episode of Invasion on both E4 and C4, you either
got the programme uncut but in 4:3 on E4 or cut and in 16:9 on C4. I can't
even be bothered to watch it any more.

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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:49:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

Weak theory - ad breaks in the US arent coordinated, whilst, rather
mysteriously, they are on Sky. Plus, they are a mix of US and UK shows
(which would have very different frequencies and timings for ads) , and some
also are shows that wouldnt normally have an ad break, red dwarf for
example. Yet, they all have their ad breaks at the same time when shown on
Sky. Jst try it, Switch to 106 and wait for a break, then skim up the
channels. And down. All will be on an ad break. Wait till it finishes. Skim
up, and down. None will be.

Centre breaks aside, go up and down the channels a few minutes before
a programme starts and they'll all be in commercials. Of course they
will - and you're surprised by that? That's supposed to be some kind
of conspiracy?

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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:49:38 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

Weak theory - ad breaks in the US arent coordinated, whilst, rather
mysteriously, they are on Sky. Plus, they are a mix of US and UK shows
(which would have very different frequencies and timings for ads) , and
some
also are shows that wouldnt normally have an ad break, red dwarf for
example. Yet, they all have their ad breaks at the same time when shown on
Sky. Jst try it, Switch to 106 and wait for a break, then skim up the
channels. And down. All will be on an ad break. Wait till it finishes.
Skim
up, and down. None will be.

Centre breaks aside, go up and down the channels a few minutes before
a programme starts and they'll all be in commercials. Of course they
will - and you're surprised by that? That's supposed to be some kind
of conspiracy?


No, its suposed to be soem kind of fact. You'd need two parties for a
onspiracy,and there is only one, Sky. The point is, its not a coincidence
the mid break ad breaks are the same, its arranged that way.

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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:55:55 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

No, its suposed to be soem kind of fact. You'd need two parties for a
onspiracy,and there is only one, Sky. The point is, its not a coincidence
the mid break ad breaks are the same, its arranged that way.

That would only hold true if Sky operated every television channel
there was.