First Impressions of HDTV
 

- I was a little undewhelmed at first, mainly because my expectations
were so high. But over the last few days, as I've seen more HDTV
content, I'm now very, very impressed. My only regret is that I
probably should have gone for a bigger TV.

- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable. If
you watch 20 baseball games a year (assuming those games are broadcast
in HD) buying an HDTV is worth the money. If you follow hockey at all,
buying an HDTV is worth the money. It looks *that* good. I haven't seen
any football yet but I imagine it will look great too. Can't wait for
the Superbowl.

- Letterman, Leno, and Conan all look pretty good, but nothing that
blew me away like sports content did.

- Concerts look fantastic.

- Nature programs look just as un-frigging-believable as sports do.

- There sure is a hell of a lot of SD content on "HDTV channels".\

- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

First Impressions of HDTV
 

Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:


- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

A few months? LOL. Keep reading the newsgroup. You will be totally
disappointed once you find out how long it's gonna take to get a lot of
HD broadcasts!

It'll also probably take forever to be able to record HDTV programs on a
DVD recorder! Ugh...

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article ,
HDTVnovice wrote:


It'll also probably take forever to be able to record HDTV programs on a
DVD recorder! Ugh...


nah. The changing technology is no doubt why ReplayTV switched to a
software model and partnered with Hauppage.

http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/Abo...ess.asp?ID=613

In a few months you'll be able to build whatever you want, using the
tuners you want, and stream it to your TV in the appropriate fashion.


Hmmm...I hope that includes HDTV programs. And even if HDTV programs
are included, I wonder if you can record it on pure 1080i or have to
settle for something much less, like 480P.

And I wonder how all those copyright protection technologies are
implemented with that.

I can almost smell lawsuits from left to right, especially from the
Bluray and HD-DVD people :)

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Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:
- I was a little undewhelmed at first, mainly because my expectations
were so high. But over the last few days, as I've seen more HDTV
content, I'm now very, very impressed. My only regret is that I
probably should have gone for a bigger TV.

- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable. If
you watch 20 baseball games a year (assuming those games are broadcast
in HD) buying an HDTV is worth the money. If you follow hockey at all,
buying an HDTV is worth the money. It looks *that* good. I haven't seen
any football yet but I imagine it will look great too. Can't wait for
the Superbowl.

Make sure you buy a setup disk, such as Avia, to properly set the
brightness/contrast/color/sharpness on your set. It will get even
better.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

HDTVnovice wrote:
Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:


- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

A few months? LOL. Keep reading the newsgroup. You will be totally
disappointed once you find out how long it's gonna take to get a lot of
HD broadcasts!

Nearly every primt time show on network TV is in High Def. I consider
that a "lot" of programming.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

HDTVnovice wrote:
Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:


- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

A few months? LOL. Keep reading the newsgroup. You will be totally
disappointed once you find out how long it's gonna take to get a lot of
HD broadcasts!

It'll also probably take forever to be able to record HDTV programs on a
DVD recorder! Ugh...

OK, it's not a DVD but last night I watched 90 minutes of '24' that I
recorded last week in HD. Check out Wes Newell's posts about MythTV as
DVR. Personally, I'm using an HDTV Wonder with the ATI software. It
does NOT lend itself well to archiving but it does do a good job of
timeshifting.

GG

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The first time I was blown away was when I saw a horned beetle crawling on
sand and you could see every hair in the beetle and every grain of sand like
it was inches away.

"Greg The Winner Zoidberg" wrote in message
oups.com...
- I was a little undewhelmed at first, mainly because my expectations
were so high. But over the last few days, as I've seen more HDTV
content, I'm now very, very impressed. My only regret is that I
probably should have gone for a bigger TV.

- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable. If
you watch 20 baseball games a year (assuming those games are broadcast
in HD) buying an HDTV is worth the money. If you follow hockey at all,
buying an HDTV is worth the money. It looks *that* good. I haven't seen
any football yet but I imagine it will look great too. Can't wait for
the Superbowl.

- Letterman, Leno, and Conan all look pretty good, but nothing that
blew me away like sports content did.

- Concerts look fantastic.

- Nature programs look just as un-frigging-believable as sports do.

- There sure is a hell of a lot of SD content on "HDTV channels".\

- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

First Impressions of HDTV
 

What do you have for a TV? Size and is it native 720p or 1080i?

Matt

- I was a little undewhelmed at first, mainly because my expectations
were so high. But over the last few days, as I've seen more HDTV
content, I'm now very, very impressed. My only regret is that I
probably should have gone for a bigger TV.

- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable. If
you watch 20 baseball games a year (assuming those games are broadcast
in HD) buying an HDTV is worth the money. If you follow hockey at all,
buying an HDTV is worth the money. It looks *that* good. I haven't seen
any football yet but I imagine it will look great too. Can't wait for
the Superbowl.

- Letterman, Leno, and Conan all look pretty good, but nothing that
blew me away like sports content did.

- Concerts look fantastic.

- Nature programs look just as un-frigging-believable as sports do.

- There sure is a hell of a lot of SD content on "HDTV channels".\

- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

First Impressions of HDTV
 

Matt wrote:
What do you have for a TV? Size and is it native 720p or 1080i?

Matt

Panasonic 26" 1080i. It's for a bedroom, so the size is pretty good for
now. But I can definitely tell that with HD, bigger would be better.

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HDTVnovice ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
It'll also probably take forever to be able to record HDTV programs on a
DVD recorder!

Well, duh! DVD recorders can only handle SD, not HD. You'll never be
able to record HD on them.

As for any future HD-DVD recorder...who cares how long it takes before they
are available? Even at 50GB/disc, it would only be able to hold 6 hours.
I'd rather record to a big, cheap hard drive, edit out commercials, then
save to a disc (if I want to preserve it).

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Panasonic only makes two 26" HD televisions that I could find. One is a LCD
and has 1366x768 resolution. Thats closest to 720p. The other is tube and
all the specs on it I could find say are 900 horizontal lines. Thats not
native 1080i AFAIK.

Reason I ask is I am looking at buying a native 40" 1366x768 LCD set and am
wondering if it will not look as good as a native 1080i set since most
content is 1080i.

Why the could not have just made one or the other the standard I will never
understand.

Matt

What do you have for a TV? Size and is it native 720p or 1080i?

Matt

Panasonic 26" 1080i. It's for a bedroom, so the size is pretty good for
now. But I can definitely tell that with HD, bigger would be better.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

G-squared ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Personally, I'm using an HDTV Wonder with the ATI software. It
does NOT lend itself well to archiving but it does do a good job of
timeshifting.

Add in VideoReDo and a dual-layer DVD recorder and you're set to archive.
Remove the commercials and a typical Fox scripted show takes about 4GB per
original hour. You can put one show on a SL DVD or two on a DL. You can
play back from the DVD-ROM drive with no problems (HD requires at most 20Mbps,
which is just a 2x drive).

--
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| expeditious velocity"
|
| -- Brain

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:58:18 -0600, "Matt" wrote:

Panasonic only makes two 26" HD televisions that I could find. One is a LCD
and has 1366x768 resolution. Thats closest to 720p. The other is tube and
all the specs on it I could find say are 900 horizontal lines. Thats not
native 1080i AFAIK.

The CRT will probably not be capable of resolving the 1920 horisontal
pixels that the 1920x1080i signal is capable of. What I understand, it
is not often there even in the source material.

But maybe you are confusing the number of lines the TV can display,
wich is 1080 per two half frames, with a specification of how high the
horizontal resolution is (number of black/white bars reduced to a
certain contrast ratio.
That is a relavant specification in particular for a CRT, with an
"analogue" resolution limit in the horizontal direction.
/Jan

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Jeff Rife wrote:
G-squared ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Personally, I'm using an HDTV Wonder with the ATI software. It
does NOT lend itself well to archiving but it does do a good job of
timeshifting.

Add in VideoReDo and a dual-layer DVD recorder and you're set to archive.
Remove the commercials and a typical Fox scripted show takes about 4GB per
original hour. You can put one show on a SL DVD or two on a DL. You can
play back from the DVD-ROM drive with no problems (HD requires at most 20Mbps,
which is just a 2x drive).

--
Jeff Rife | "I feel the need...the need for
| expeditious velocity"
|
| -- Brain

Hey thanks, Jeff. My DVR computer already has a DL DVD drive so I only
need the software? Cool.

GG

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Larry Bud wrote:

HDTVnovice wrote:

Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:


- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

A few months? LOL. Keep reading the newsgroup. You will be totally
disappointed once you find out how long it's gonna take to get a lot of
HD broadcasts!


Nearly every primt time show on network TV is in High Def. I consider
that a "lot" of programming.


Well, I'm happy with it since I'm usually home during prime time :)

But, I'm replying to Mr. Zoidberg about his comment about "getting HD
content on EVERY channel 24/7 in a few months". That is just wishful
thinking at this point in time.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable.

How is it you're watching baseball but you haven't seen a football game yet?

ef

First Impressions of HDTV
 

EF in FLA wrote:
- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable.

How is it you're watching baseball but you haven't seen a football game yet?

ef

HDTV Preview channel. They showed baseball clips but no football.
Showed hockey clips too. I've seen entire basketball games in HD but
was very unimpressed.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

It's the CT-26WX15.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

HDTVnovice wrote:
Larry Bud wrote:

HDTVnovice wrote:

Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:


- Overall, I would say most HD content is about twice as good as DVD
quality. For whatever reason, sports and nature shows look about 100
times as good. Now it's just a matter of getting HD content on every
channel 24/7. Should only be a few months until that happens, right?

A few months? LOL. Keep reading the newsgroup. You will be totally
disappointed once you find out how long it's gonna take to get a lot of
HD broadcasts!


Nearly every primt time show on network TV is in High Def. I consider
that a "lot" of programming.


Well, I'm happy with it since I'm usually home during prime time :)

But, I'm replying to Mr. Zoidberg about his comment about "getting HD
content on EVERY channel 24/7 in a few months". That is just wishful
thinking at this point in time.

Well SOME people are working on more HD.

http://broadcastengineering.com/news.../bth/20060123/

Enjoy
GG

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Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:
EF in FLA wrote:

- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable.

How is it you're watching baseball but you haven't seen a football game yet?

ef


HDTV Preview channel. They showed baseball clips but no football.
Showed hockey clips too. I've seen entire basketball games in HD but
was very unimpressed.


InHD and InHD2 both have shown basketball games b4 and they're very
impressive.

I have noticed that sports in HD in any of the big 4 networks (ABC, CBS,
NBC, FOX) appear to be subpar (picture-wise) compared to the ones I've
seen in InHD and InHD2.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

In article ,
HDTVnovice wrote:

It'll also probably take forever to be able to record HDTV programs on a
DVD recorder! Ugh...

But there are alternatives to DVD recording. Check out "EyeTV" for
the Mac, for example.

First Impressions of HDTV
 

It's the CT-26WX15.

http://www.panasonic.ca/English/audi...tau/specs2.asp

It appears to simply state 900 horizontal lines of resolution but nothing on
vertical lines. So its not native 1080i or 720p. I am sure it displays
both though. Being 480 goes into 900 quite easilly it likely displays DVD's
quite nicely.

Matt

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Agreed



"Gadgetguy" [email protected] wrote in message
...
Greg The Winner Zoidberg wrote:
EF in FLA wrote:

- Sports (baseball and hockey mostly) look un-frigging-believable.

How is it you're watching baseball but you haven't seen a football game
yet?

ef


HDTV Preview channel. They showed baseball clips but no football.
Showed hockey clips too. I've seen entire basketball games in HD but
was very unimpressed.


InHD and InHD2 both have shown basketball games b4 and they're very
impressive.

I have noticed that sports in HD in any of the big 4 networks (ABC, CBS,
NBC, FOX) appear to be subpar (picture-wise) compared to the ones I've
seen in InHD and InHD2.

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Matt wrote:
It's the CT-26WX15.

http://www.panasonic.ca/English/audi...tau/specs2.asp

It appears to simply state 900 horizontal lines of resolution but nothing on
vertical lines. So its not native 1080i or 720p. I am sure it displays
both though. Being 480 goes into 900 quite easilly it likely displays DVD's
quite nicely.

You have confused horizontal resolution with scan lines. At 900 lines as
claimed the CRT should be able to display 1600 pixels on each scan line.

Matthew
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"Greg The Winner Zoidberg" wrote in message
oups.com...
- I was a little undewhelmed at first, mainly because my expectations
were so high. But over the last few days, as I've seen more HDTV
content, I'm now very, very impressed. My only regret is that I
probably should have gone for a bigger TV.

and his eyes were opened.

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george1234 ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Well, duh! DVD recorders can only handle SD, not HD. You'll never be
able to record HD on them.

Not entirely true. I record HD with my myhd-130 OTA PCI card. I can
save the transport stream to dvd as a data file. I can then play back
the dvd on the computer dvd file

Thionk data files, not dvd video formats

A DVD recorder can't handle this. A computer DVD-R/RW drive can, but
those aren't DVD recorders.

Some of us have been archiving transport streams to DVD-ROM for a couple
of years, but we don't call them "DVD recorders".

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