Dixons killing CRTs
 

Haven't seen this mentioned so far, unless I missed it (apologies if so)...

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus
they take more handling, space, etc...). As Currys are the same group,
they are likely to follow before too long.

Now I know we have had extended "debates" about CRT v LCD/Plasma, and we
don't need to see them again, but it highlights the fact that popular
demand is going the flat panel route regardless of technical superiority.

Dixons seem to be trying to lead the market again like they did when they
withdrew VCRs from general sale, but I haven't seen the likes of Comet and
Argos following suit even though that was quite a while ago.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

"NewsWD" wrote in message
...
Haven't seen this mentioned so far, unless I missed it (apologies if
so)...

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling
CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus
they take more handling, space, etc...). As Currys are the same group,
they are likely to follow before too long.

Now I know we have had extended "debates" about CRT v LCD/Plasma, and we
don't need to see them again, but it highlights the fact that popular
demand is going the flat panel route regardless of technical superiority.

Dixons seem to be trying to lead the market again like they did when they
withdrew VCRs from general sale, but I haven't seen the likes of Comet and
Argos following suit even though that was quite a while ago.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.


The problem for Dixons is that bottom end of the market is increasingly more
competitive with the likes of ASDA, Tesco stocking electrical items. So it
must be someone looking for something better which buys at the big
electrical stores, and those buyers must be getting flat TV's.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

"NewsWD" wrote in message
...
Haven't seen this mentioned so far, unless I missed it (apologies if
so)...

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling
CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus
they take more handling, space, etc...). As Currys are the same group,
they are likely to follow before too long.

Now I know we have had extended "debates" about CRT v LCD/Plasma, and we
don't need to see them again, but it highlights the fact that popular
demand is going the flat panel route regardless of technical superiority.

Dixons seem to be trying to lead the market again like they did when they
withdrew VCRs from general sale, but I haven't seen the likes of Comet and
Argos following suit even though that was quite a while ago.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.


More CRT TVs for Tesco to sell then

--
Regards
David

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NewsWD wrote:

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus
they take more handling, space, etc...). As Currys are the same group,
they are likely to follow before too long.

Now I know we have had extended "debates" about CRT v LCD/Plasma, and we
don't need to see them again, but it highlights the fact that popular
demand is going the flat panel route regardless of technical superiority.

Dixons seem to be trying to lead the market again like they did when they
withdrew VCRs from general sale, but I haven't seen the likes of Comet and
Argos following suit even though that was quite a while ago.

By 'removed from general sale' do you mean removed from their high
street stores? Haven't been into a Dixon's store for many years, but
they still have at least 10 VCR's to buy on their website. Isn't this
just a ploy to get consumers thinking their kit is old as the hills and
it's time to upgrade?

Dixons killing CRTs
 

My local co-op already dropped CRT sets a few months ago. They were already
running down stocks prior to a takeover of the store by Ikea and found that
the cost of handling CRT sets made them unprofitable. During its last few
weeks in business it stocked only plasmas and LCD's.

(kim)

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"NewsWD" wrote in message
...
Haven't seen this mentioned so far, unless I missed it (apologies if
so)...

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling
CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus

More like why sell a 28" Sony CRT for £200 when they can force you to buy a
28" LCD for 1/4 of the life span for 8 times the price by removing the
competition. In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is crap unless
viewed head on you'd have to by a 42" LCD at over £3,500 to be able to watch
it with other people, so they'd be forcing you to pay over 16 time the
price.

they take more handling, space, etc...). As Currys are the same group,
they are likely to follow before too long.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

More like why sell a 28" Sony CRT for £200 when they can force you to buy
a 28" LCD for 1/4 of the life span for 8 times the price by removing the
competition. In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is crap unless
viewed head on you'd have to by a 42" LCD at over £3,500 to be able to
watch it with other people, so they'd be forcing you to pay over 16 time
the price.

I think you should get up to date! Modern LCD screens are perfectly
viewable from at least +/- 45 deg. to head on.

I have seen no evidence that LCD life span is an issue, and they will not
flare and de-focus with old age as CRTs do. Also LCD and plasma screens will
always give inherently perfect geometry and colour registration with no
problems of convergence or scanning linearity.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:11:48 -0000, "Agamemnon"
wrote:

In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is crap unless
viewed head on...

Not all of them.

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NewsWD wrote:
Haven't seen this mentioned so far, unless I missed it (apologies if so)...

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus
they take more handling, space, etc...).

Isn't it the case that waste laws are helping with this - CRT's are
classed differently to LCD/Plasma. We have a lot of users (commercial)
trying to get rid of their CRT's before the new law takes effect.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

"Colin Forrester" wrote in message
...

.. We have a lot of users (commercial)
trying to get rid of their CRT's before the new law takes effect.

What's this about?

Note you say commercial, but we as domestic from time to want to throw old
TV sets and computer monitors out, so what ever this law is we might be
next.
--
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David

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"David" wrote in message
...

"Colin Forrester" wrote in message
...

. We have a lot of users (commercial)
trying to get rid of their CRT's before the new law takes effect.

What's this about?

Note you say commercial, but we as domestic from time to want to throw old
TV sets and computer monitors out, so what ever this law is we might be
next.
--

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Regards
David

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"NewsWD" wrote in message
...
Haven't seen this mentioned so far, unless I missed it (apologies if
so)...

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling
CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus
they take more handling, space, etc...). As Currys are the same group,
they are likely to follow before too long.

Presumably this is because Dixons shops are highstreet stores and therefore
smaller than Currys, so they think they can put the space to better use.
After all who wants to buy a 36-in CRT in town and carry it home on the bus?
Currys on the other hand are largely on retail parks where people can get to
the door with their car. Obviously on-line sales are a different matter.

Adrian

Dixons killing CRTs
 

David wrote:

"Colin Forrester" wrote in message
...

. We have a lot of users (commercial)
trying to get rid of their CRT's before the new law takes effect.

What's this about?

Note you say commercial, but we as domestic from time to want to throw old
TV sets and computer monitors out, so what ever this law is we might be
next.

Umm, it might prove difficult (and dangerous !) to break up my 32inch
CRT TV and hide the bits in the bottom of my wheelie bin, under all the
leaves and branches, under all the 'allowable' rubbish.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

Alan White wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:11:48 -0000, "Agamemnon"
wrote:

In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is crap unless
viewed head on...

The viewing angle issue ceased to be an issue at least a year ago.
Modern LCDs have similar viewing angles to CRTs nowadays

--
Mike

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In message .com, Mark
Carver wrote
David wrote:

"Colin Forrester" wrote in message
...

. We have a lot of users (commercial)
trying to get rid of their CRT's before the new law takes effect.

What's this about?

Note you say commercial, but we as domestic from time to want to throw old
TV sets and computer monitors out, so what ever this law is we might be
next.

Umm, it might prove difficult (and dangerous !) to break up my 32inch
CRT TV and hide the bits in the bottom of my wheelie bin, under all the
leaves and branches, under all the 'allowable' rubbish.



Just do what everyone else will do when something becomes difficult to
dispose of - or cost money. Dump it in the countryside or the nearest
lay-by.
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

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"Mike Redrobe" wrote in message
...
Alan White wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:11:48 -0000, "Agamemnon"
wrote:

In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is crap unless
viewed head on...

The viewing angle issue ceased to be an issue at least a year ago.
Modern LCDs have similar viewing angles to CRTs nowadays


Really. Well when I had a look in my local Sony Centre the LCD screen were
dimmer that the CRT's and as soon as you moved off centre the picture got
even dimmer or the colour tones and contrast changed, while the CRT's could
be viewed form any angle without dimming or the picture quality changing.
And these were LCD's which cost over £3,500. The cheaper ones costing only
2,500 were so ****ty that even head on the picture was 1/4 of the brightness
of the CRT's and 1/2 of the expensive LCD's and the colour and contrast were
pale.

--
Mike

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"Malcolm H" wrote in message
...


More like why sell a 28" Sony CRT for £200 when they can force you to buy
a 28" LCD for 1/4 of the life span for 8 times the price by removing the
competition. In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is crap unless
viewed head on you'd have to by a 42" LCD at over £3,500 to be able to
watch it with other people, so they'd be forcing you to pay over 16 time
the price.

I think you should get up to date! Modern LCD screens are perfectly
viewable from at least +/- 45 deg. to head on.

I have seen no evidence that LCD life span is an issue, and they will not

Why should I pay 3,500 for an LCD screen when the lamp will burn out in 5
years while a CRT will last over 20 years. In fact since I normally leave
the TV switched on to listen to it while I'm at the computer at my rate of
usage the lamp would but out or be so dim as to make the TV unmatchable in
less than a year.

flare and de-focus with old age as CRTs do. Also LCD and plasma screens
will always give inherently perfect geometry and colour registration with
no problems of convergence or scanning linearity.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

"Agamemnon" wrote in message
...


Really. Well when I had a look in my local Sony Centre the LCD
screen were dimmer that the CRT's and as soon as you moved off
centre the picture got even dimmer or the colour tones and
contrast changed, while the CRT's could be viewed form any angle
without dimming or the picture quality changing. And these were
LCD's which cost over £3,500. The cheaper ones costing only 2,500
were so ****ty that even head on the picture was 1/4 of the
brightness of the CRT's and 1/2 of the expensive LCD's and the
colour and contrast were pale.


Yeh but Sony have only made over priced **** for the last 10 years.

--
Ian

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"Alan" wrote in message
...

Just do what everyone else will do when something becomes difficult to
dispose of - or cost money. Dump it in the countryside or the nearest
lay-by.
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

"Everyone" doesn't do that - only aresholes. Are you one of them?

Dixons killing CRTs
 

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In , "Malcolm H"
wrote:

I have seen no evidence that LCD life span is an issue, and they will not
flare and de-focus with old age as CRTs do. Also LCD and plasma screens
will
always give inherently perfect geometry and colour registration with no
problems of convergence or scanning linearity.

True. But instead they have introduced whole new set of problems that
CRT's do not suffer from! Consumer-grade deinterlacing, motion
prediction artefacts, dead pixels, smearing, posterisation, poor gamma
correction, black and white crushing (means dark scenes impossible to
see), etc.

Plus of course not only will prices drop significantly over the next couple
of years, but just after punters have forked out a fortune there will be
newer and better models arriving on the market, or at least so they would
have us believe.

http://www.canon.com/technology/display/

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"NewsWD" wrote in message
...

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

In the LONG term, it is likely that CRT TV's will disappear. It's what
happens in the short to medium term that is more interesting, depending how
the price differential between the two technologies goes.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

Mike Henry wrote


Plus of course not only will prices drop significantly over the next
couple of years, but just after punters have forked out a fortune
there will be newer and better models arriving on the market, or at
least so they would have us believe.

http://www.canon.com/technology/display/

Indeed. I'm not buying anything until OLED is popular and cheap. And
even then, only if it can display an interlaced signal (or I can
afford a professional de-interlacer and scaler).

Dam right, I'm so happy to have a CRT back.

I've learnt something about handling - it now sits on an upside down carpet
offcut on the (wood) floor so I can move it.

Now I can watch a film in cinema type lighting and enjoy it again.


--

mike

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My guess is that the factories in China are all being changed over to LCD
production...the UK market may be high value for LCDs for a short time ..but
you'll know when output has geared up when the bigger LCDs start to appear
in Tesco's etc under "own name" brands etc...and the prices drop like a
stone...


"Graculus" wrote in message
...
"NewsWD" wrote in message
...

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

In the LONG term, it is likely that CRT TV's will disappear. It's what
happens in the short to medium term that is more interesting, depending
how the price differential between the two technologies goes.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

NewsWD wrote:

Haven't seen this mentioned so far, unless I missed it (apologies if so)...

Small piece in my local paper has said Dixons are to phase out selling CRTs
in their shops as apparently sales are poor compared to LCD/Plasma (plus
they take more handling, space, etc...). As Currys are the same group,
they are likely to follow before too long.

Now I know we have had extended "debates" about CRT v LCD/Plasma, and we
don't need to see them again, but it highlights the fact that popular
demand is going the flat panel route regardless of technical superiority.

Dixons seem to be trying to lead the market again like they did when they
withdrew VCRs from general sale, but I haven't seen the likes of Comet and
Argos following suit even though that was quite a while ago.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

I recently went into my local Dixons to buy an LCD TV with integrated
digital tuner. There was not one on offer except for huge plasma ones.

What's the point of only stocking TVs that only receive analogue, when
analogue is for the chop shortly ?

Dixons killing CRTs
 

Roly wrote


What's the point of only stocking TVs that only receive analogue, when
analogue is for the chop shortly ?

So they can sell you a digital one then.

Seriously, 5 or 6 years time, who knows what will happen, it's beyond what
they hope will be the life of your new telly

--

mike

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:39:50 +0000, Chas Gill wrote:


"Alan" wrote in message
...

Just do what everyone else will do when something becomes difficult to
dispose of - or cost money. Dump it in the countryside or the nearest
lay-by.
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

"Everyone" doesn't do that - only aresholes. Are you one of them?

He was probably parodying those earlier in this thread that were concerned
about disposing of their toxic waste before laws come in to prevent them
being an arse.

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:04:48 +0000, David wrote:


"Colin Forrester" wrote in message
...

. We have a lot of users (commercial)
trying to get rid of their CRT's before the new law takes effect.

What's this about?

Toxic waste.

Note you say commercial, but we as domestic from time to want to throw old
TV sets and computer monitors out, so what ever this law is we might be
next.

It would be nicer if you just ensured you got rid of your stuff
responsibly whatever the law.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:00:44 +0000, Mike Henry wrote:


And even
then, only if it can display an interlaced signal (or I can afford a
professional de-interlacer and scaler).

Genuine q? What can one of them do a decent PC with DTT card cannot?

A PC/DTT setup will certainly be your best bet for HDTV.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:46:10 +0000, Agamemnon wrote:


"Malcolm H" wrote in message
...


More like why sell a 28" Sony CRT for £200 when they can force you to
buy a 28" LCD for 1/4 of the life span for 8 times the price by
removing the competition. In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is
crap unless viewed head on you'd have to by a 42" LCD at over £3,500
to be able to watch it with other people, so they'd be forcing you to
pay over 16 time the price.

I think you should get up to date! Modern LCD screens are perfectly
viewable from at least +/- 45 deg. to head on.

I have seen no evidence that LCD life span is an issue, and they will
not

Why should I pay 3,500 for an LCD screen when the lamp will burn out in 5
years while a CRT will last over 20 years. In fact since I normally leave
the TV switched on to listen to it while I'm at the computer at my rate of
usage the lamp would but out or be so dim as to make the TV unmatchable in
less than a year.

Turn your heating on and open you windows too.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

"steve" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:46:10 +0000, Agamemnon wrote:


"Malcolm H" wrote in message
...


More like why sell a 28" Sony CRT for £200 when they can force you to
buy a 28" LCD for 1/4 of the life span for 8 times the price by
removing the competition. In fact since the picture on an LCD screen is
crap unless viewed head on you'd have to by a 42" LCD at over £3,500
to be able to watch it with other people, so they'd be forcing you to
pay over 16 time the price.

I think you should get up to date! Modern LCD screens are perfectly
viewable from at least +/- 45 deg. to head on.

I have seen no evidence that LCD life span is an issue, and they will
not

Why should I pay 3,500 for an LCD screen when the lamp will burn out in 5
years while a CRT will last over 20 years. In fact since I normally leave
the TV switched on to listen to it while I'm at the computer at my rate
of
usage the lamp would but out or be so dim as to make the TV unmatchable
in
less than a year.

Dman useless MS spellchecker. but = burn and unmatchable = unmatchable.


Turn your heating on and open you windows too.

Yes. CRTs make good central hearing radiators too.

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On 25 Jan 2006 23:04:35 GMT, mike
wrote:

Roly wrote

What's the point of only stocking TVs that only receive analogue, when
analogue is for the chop shortly ?

So they can sell you a digital one then.

Seriously, 5 or 6 years time, who knows what will happen, it's beyond what
they hope will be the life of your new telly

The general thought goes along the line that if you ever need to
upgrade your Digital receiver then you won't have to throw away your
TV as well.

I don't think that I would consider buying an IDTV until at least they
have moved to HDTV and MPeg4.

Cardman
http://www.cardman.org
http://www.cardman.com
http://www.cardman.co.uk

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In article -
berlin.de, steve says...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:00:44 +0000, Mike Henry wrote:


And even
then, only if it can display an interlaced signal (or I can afford a
professional de-interlacer and scaler).

Genuine q? What can one of them do a decent PC with DTT card cannot?

A PC/DTT setup will certainly be your best bet for HDTV.

Just as long as you stay away from LCD monitors.


--
Conor

Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them
as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B

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"steve" wrote in message
...
It would be nicer if you just ensured you got rid of your stuff
responsibly whatever the law.

If the powers that be are so unrealistic as to make waste disposal
disproportionately expensive for dubious 'environmental' reasons then
ordinary people will break the law and dump things in laybys. Fortunately
this is an area where the public can easily ignore the law and thus expose
the absurdity of some environmental policies.

I live in a village and we are bedevilled by people dumping at the side of
the road, but can you blame them when the local dumpit forbids vehicles
except cars (discrimination against van drivers) and pedestrians
(discrimination against non car owners)?

It's all a con, basically. We have to pay an extra 50p when we get a new
tyre to cover disposal of the old one, yet old tyres can be recycled in all
sorts of ways.

There's no real shortage of landfill in the UK. We have massive opencast
coalmines despoiling the countryside, so why not do the same thing in
reverse and use valleys as massive dumps? Topsoil off, dump, topsoil back
on.

Bill

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Bill Wright wrote:
"steve" wrote in message
...

It would be nicer if you just ensured you got rid of your stuff
responsibly whatever the law.


If the powers that be are so unrealistic as to make waste disposal
disproportionately expensive for dubious 'environmental' reasons then
ordinary people will break the law and dump things in laybys. Fortunately
this is an area where the public can easily ignore the law and thus expose
the absurdity of some environmental policies.

I live in a village and we are bedevilled by people dumping at the side of
the road, but can you blame them when the local dumpit forbids vehicles
except cars (discrimination against van drivers) and pedestrians
(discrimination against non car owners)?

It's all a con, basically. We have to pay an extra 50p when we get a new
tyre to cover disposal of the old one, yet old tyres can be recycled in all
sorts of ways.

There's no real shortage of landfill in the UK. We have massive opencast
coalmines despoiling the countryside, so why not do the same thing in
reverse and use valleys as massive dumps? Topsoil off, dump, topsoil back
on.

Then build on it, then ... ;-)

Bill



Well, I blame privatisation ;-)

In fairness LB Newham's tip (private) allows anything FOC (except paint
curiously, and probably weapons grade plutonium, and ...), and vans, but
you have to take your driving license to prove you're a resident.

Rob

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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:



There's no real shortage of landfill in the UK. We have massive opencast
coalmines despoiling the countryside, so why not do the same thing in
reverse and use valleys as massive dumps? Topsoil off, dump, topsoil back
on.

there was the valley in mid-Wales used to dump car tyres, it caught fire.
quite fun really.

--
From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey

Using a RISC OS5 computer

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In article ,
Rob wrote:

[Snip]

Well, I blame privatisation ;-)

It is mainly due to ODPM witha bit of EU thrown in for good measure.

--
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Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles wrote:

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

There's no real shortage of landfill in the UK. We have massive opencast
coalmines despoiling the countryside, so why not do the same thing in
reverse and use valleys as massive dumps? Topsoil off, dump, topsoil back
on.

there was the valley in mid-Wales used to dump car tyres, it caught fire.
quite fun really.

I lived in a house that had been built on the site of an old
(legitimate) tyre dump. It had caught fire, and been destroyed. Along
came Bryant Homes and built a housing estate. It was very difficult to
get anything to grow, or even survive in the garden.

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I think you should get up to date! Modern LCD screens are perfectly
viewable from at least +/- 45 deg. to head on.

I have seen no evidence that LCD life span is an issue, and they will not

Why should I pay 3,500 for an LCD screen when the lamp will burn out in 5
years while a CRT will last over 20 years. In fact since I normally leave
the TV switched on to listen to it while I'm at the computer at my rate of
usage the lamp would but out or be so dim as to make the TV unmatchable in
less than a year.

flare and de-focus with old age as CRTs do. Also LCD and plasma screens
will always give inherently perfect geometry and colour registration with
no problems of convergence or scanning linearity.

What is this lamp you're talking about? We're not talking about projection.

Dixons killing CRTs
 

Agamemnon wrote:
Dman useless MS spellchecker. [...] unmatchable = unmatchable.

Ah, yes. Much better.

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Malcolm H wrote:
What is this lamp you're talking about? We're not talking about
projection.

He means the backlight in an LCD panel. He seems to have a fairly
pessimistic view of its lifespan. I believe MTBF figures are currently
in the range 30,000 to 50,000 hours, which is comparable with a CRT. Not
sure about the cost or difficulty of replacement - I suspect that for
most people, by the time the backlight expires, technology will have
moved on and they'll want a new display rather than fixing the old one.