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Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
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Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
"Brendan DJ Murphy" wrote in message ... | | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds28211.html | Now THAT for me might make the whole HD palaver worthwhile.....!! -- Regards, Graham. ROT13 for email address:- Rznvy: |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Graham wrote:
"Brendan DJ Murphy" wrote in message ... | | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds28211.html | Now THAT for me might make the whole HD palaver worthwhile.....!! I'd consider $ky HD if there was a single tuner box up for grabs rather than the $ky+ HD offering. I'm not really interested in re-subscribing to $ky, but assuming that the BBC also does it's HD thing during 2006 it might be an easy and cheaper way to get into it. No chance though. Clem |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
"Brendan DJ Murphy" wrote in message ... http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds28211.html Nothing to wet yourself over, if you ask me : ) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Thus spaketh Clem Dye:
Graham wrote: "Brendan DJ Murphy" wrote in message ... http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds28211.html Now THAT for me might make the whole HD palaver worthwhile.....!! I'd consider $ky HD if there was a single tuner box up for grabs rather than the $ky+ HD offering. I'm not really interested in re-subscribing to $ky, but assuming that the BBC also does it's HD thing during 2006 it might be an easy and cheaper way to get into it. No chance though. Clem I'm sure the BBC will be a FTA service, you could buy a proper HD satellite box and not a crippled Sky one. |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Clem Dye wrote:
I'd consider $ky HD if there was a single tuner box up for grabs rather than the $ky+ HD offering. I'm not really interested in re-subscribing to $ky, but assuming that the BBC also does it's HD thing during 2006 it might be an easy and cheaper way to get into it. No chance though. There is no doubt at all that once the BBC (et al) start HD sat transmissions there will be many non-Sky STBs available to receive them. The BBC and other FTA/FTV broadcasters will not make the same mistake with HD that they did with digital. I suspect that they all bitterly regret ever having become involved with Sky, as indeed apparently do all companies that ever become involved with Sky. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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Jomtien wrote:
Clem Dye wrote: I'd consider $ky HD if there was a single tuner box up for grabs rather than the $ky+ HD offering. I'm not really interested in re-subscribing to $ky, but assuming that the BBC also does it's HD thing during 2006 it might be an easy and cheaper way to get into it. No chance though. There is no doubt at all that once the BBC (et al) start HD sat transmissions there will be many non-Sky STBs available to receive them. The BBC and other FTA/FTV broadcasters will not make the same mistake with HD that they did with digital. I suspect that they all bitterly regret ever having become involved with Sky, as indeed apparently do all companies that ever become involved with Sky. Yes, it does seem that way. Aren't monopolies marvellous? Going for a non-$ky HD STB sounds like a good idea providing that it can handle SD stuff too. Of course the downside is that without $ky kit, the likes of C4, C5 etc. won't be up for grabs on SD. Still, I'm in a strong Freeview area, so not a big prob., but perhaps one for those not so fortunate who want to avoid $ky. Clem |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
In uk.media.tv.sky Jomtien wrote:
: I suspect that they all bitterly regret ever having become involved : with Sky, as indeed apparently do all companies that ever become : involved with Sky. Whereas I strongly suspect that you are engaging in wishful thinking! All of C4/C5 (and others) seem to find Sky very professional and will quite likely go with them for HD as well! |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Clem Dye wrote:
Of course the downside is that without $ky kit, the likes of C4, C5 etc. won't be up for grabs on SD. I will wager a small sum that both of these will stop encrypting just as soon as their contracts with Sky allow. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Brian McIlwrath wrote:
: I suspect that they all bitterly regret ever having become involved : with Sky, as indeed apparently do all companies that ever become : involved with Sky. Whereas I strongly suspect that you are engaging in wishful thinking! All of C4/C5 (and others) seem to find Sky very professional and will quite likely go with them for HD as well! Ask Sony, Panasonic, Tivo, ITV, the BBC etc. what they think about Sky. But ask them in private. Many broadcasters using Sky encryption do so because they were railroaded into it. Sky are masters of the "offer you can't refuse". -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
In article , Jomtien
says... Ask Sony, Panasonic, Tivo, ITV, the BBC etc. what they think about Sky. But ask them in private. Could that be to do with the fact that they're jealous of the money that Sky makes? -- Conor Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Jomtien wrote: Brian McIlwrath wrote: : I suspect that they all bitterly regret ever having become involved : with Sky, as indeed apparently do all companies that ever become : involved with Sky. Whereas I strongly suspect that you are engaging in wishful thinking! All of C4/C5 (and others) seem to find Sky very professional and will quite likely go with them for HD as well! Ask Sony, Panasonic, Tivo, ITV, the BBC etc. what they think about Sky. But ask them in private. Many broadcasters using Sky encryption do so because they were railroaded into it. Sky are masters of the "offer you can't refuse". Greg Dyke's autobiography goes into a fair amount of detail regarding the BBC's move to FTA. Nothing that regular readers of this newsgroup won't already know, but you're left with no doubt as to Dyke's opinion of Sky. |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Conor wrote:
In article , Jomtien says... Ask Sony, Panasonic, Tivo, ITV, the BBC etc. what they think about Sky. But ask them in private. Could that be to do with the fact that they're jealous of the money that Sky makes? Why would they be jealous of a company that makes money by lying to customers? |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:00:00 +0100, Jomtien wrote:
Clem Dye wrote: Of course the downside is that without $ky kit, the likes of C4, C5 etc. won't be up for grabs on SD. I will wager a small sum that both of these will stop encrypting just as soon as their contracts with Sky allow. They could stop encrypting NOW if they wanted to. (Just because you subscribe to a magazine doesn't mean you have to read it.) But as both of them re-signed encryption deals fairly recently, it seems pretty unlikely that they DO want to. |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Conor wrote:
Ask Sony, Panasonic, Tivo, ITV, the BBC etc. what they think about Sky. But ask them in private. Could that be to do with the fact that they're jealous of the money that Sky makes? That seems most unlikely. There are many much richer companies around yet I doubt that any of the companies I mentioned have any strong opinion about those. No, those companies don't like Sky simply because they have all been shafted by Sky at some point. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Zero Tolerance wrote:
Of course the downside is that without $ky kit, the likes of C4, C5 etc. won't be up for grabs on SD. I will wager a small sum that both of these will stop encrypting just as soon as their contracts with Sky allow. They could stop encrypting NOW if they wanted to. (Just because you subscribe to a magazine doesn't mean you have to read it.) It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever have any proof either way. But as both of them re-signed encryption deals fairly recently, it seems pretty unlikely that they DO want to. And why should C4 and C5 be so pleased with Sky when the BBC and ITV clearly aren't, I wonder? -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:22:24 +0100, Jomtien wrote:
It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. That would certainly make sense for channels where Sky paid C4 - like E4 or FilmFour - but I very much doubt that there would be any obligation to use the service for the FTV encoding. After all, C4 and C5 are the clients there - THEY are paying money to Sky for that service. That is their choice. And why should C4 and C5 be so pleased with Sky when the BBC and ITV clearly aren't, I wonder? Because ITV have viewed Sky as their mortal enemies since even before the analogue launch days, and because the BBC has the most to lose if Sky becomes the dominant satellite platform. Remember, the BBC's motives in going FTA on satellite, and in launching Freeview, are solely to maintain the status quo that everyone who has a television must be *forced* to pay for the BBC. It is their publicly-stated aim to ensure that they are never forced to be funded only by people who *want* their services, they want *everyone* to have to pay, and to have to *keep* paying. |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:22:24 +0100, Jomtien wrote:
No, those companies don't like Sky simply because they have all been shafted by Sky at some point. ITV were running press campaigns and trying to get Sky ruled illegal back before Sky even launched or had an opportunity to shaft anyone. Maybe the real reason is that they're just scared of competition. |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Zero Tolerance wrote:
It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. That would certainly make sense for channels where Sky paid C4 - like E4 or FilmFour - but I very much doubt that there would be any obligation to use the service for the FTV encoding. After all, C4 and C5 are the clients there - THEY are paying money to Sky for that service. That is their choice. As I said, it has been suggested otherwise. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:35:36 +0100, Jomtien wrote:
Zero Tolerance wrote: It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. That would certainly make sense for channels where Sky paid C4 - like E4 or FilmFour - but I very much doubt that there would be any obligation to use the service for the FTV encoding. After all, C4 and C5 are the clients there - THEY are paying money to Sky for that service. That is their choice. As I said, it has been suggested otherwise. I suggest that these suggestions may be false. You can 'suggest' anything you like. Doesn't make it true. |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
"Jomtien" wrote in message ... It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever have any proof either way. If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. http://www.burnyourbonus.co.uk/ |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
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Jomtien wrote: It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever have any proof either way. The only real evidence we had was the on-again/off-again statements about More4 being FTA. In the end, Channel 4 blamed Sky, so no wonder we lept to the conclusion that Channel 4's contract with Sky *requires* Sky to be given first-pick of channels to join their packages. Not Sky's fault - they're a business doing their best for their shareholders - Channel 4's fault. Did they not read the contract? Did they read it but decide it didn't matter? Dave -- Email: MSN Messenger: |
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"Phil" wrote in message ... It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever have any proof either way. If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. And BBC and ITV broadcast without encryption because? I thought the satellite footprint was now tighter so less problem Loz |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
loz wrote:
"Phil" wrote in message ... It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever have any proof either way. If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. And BBC and ITV broadcast without encryption because? I thought the satellite footprint was now tighter so less problem Loz BBC and ITV transmit from Astra 1D, as you say, a tighter footprint. The other channels transmit from satellites with a footprint covering more of europe, this _may_ be part of the reason they stay encrypted. -- Adrian A |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
In uk.tech.tv.sky loz wrote:
: And BBC and ITV broadcast without encryption because? The BBC are thought to have to pay significantly more for many of their programmes since going FTA. They also pay Sky significant sums for the EPG (regulated) and for the "postcode mapping" of 101 and 102 by area/country (a Sky facility). Whether going FTA has actually saved them money only they know! : I thought the satellite footprint was now tighter so less problem It might help but people who want to watch BBC have just bought larger dishes where possible! |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Phil wrote:
It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever have any proof either way. If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. Really? The BBC and ITV apparently don't find that a problem. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:32:06 +0100, Jomtien wrote:
If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. Really? The BBC and ITV apparently don't find that a problem. That's why they show fewer, and older, films now. |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
"Jomtien" wrote in message ... Phil wrote: It has been suggested that the contracts between Sky and C4/C5 actually oblige them to use the encryption. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever have any proof either way. If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. Really? The BBC and ITV apparently don't find that a problem. because as another poster pointed out when I also asked by BBC and ITV are FTA, both those channels have a different footprint to C4 http://www.uk-satellite-tv.co.uk/foo...on_103674.html Loz |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Zero Tolerance wrote:
If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. Really? The BBC and ITV apparently don't find that a problem. That's why they show fewer, and older, films now. Can't say that I have noticed that. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
loz wrote:
If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. Really? The BBC and ITV apparently don't find that a problem. because as another poster pointed out when I also asked by BBC and ITV are FTA, both those channels have a different footprint to C4 And what would stop C4 and C5 moving to 2D if they wished to go FTA? -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5 UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
Jomtien wrote:
loz wrote: If they did not encrypt it would cost much more to screen films because they would be watched all over Europe. That is the reason they encrypt. Really? The BBC and ITV apparently don't find that a problem. because as another poster pointed out when I also asked by BBC and ITV are FTA, both those channels have a different footprint to C4 And what would stop C4 and C5 moving to 2D if they wished to go FTA? Are there any available transponders on 2D? -- Adrian A |
Discovery Channel will be on Sky High-Definition!
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:48:01 -0000, "Adrian" wrote:
And what would stop C4 and C5 moving to 2D if they wished to go FTA? Are there any available transponders on 2D? C4 have a few 2D transponders already. Sky have some 2D transponders also, and since they handle C5's uplink, they could probably arrange for them to be broadcast via that capacity if that became necessary. |
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