LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

Adrian A kindly pointed me to http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html in reply to
my query titled "Help for satellite (NOT Sky) newbie".

I've done a comprehensive comparison between what my box receives on a
per-channel basis, and what it says on the Web site.

Either my box is lying, or the Web site is seriously wrong (or out of date,
more likely).

Take a look for yourself. For example, the web site lists

12110 H, TP21, 27500

....as a Sky Digital with Videoguard channel. My box does not list anything
on that frequency, but it DOES list:

12109 H, with a TP number of 28, and it carries:

Turn on TV
Look4Love
TWC
Star Bazaar
Quiz TV
GDTV
Open Access
Audi Channel

This is just one example of numerous anomalies. Sometimes the frequencies
are off by 1MHz, and quite frequently the channels are completely wrong.

Is this something I'm misunderstanding, or is the LyngSat Web site a load of
crap? If so, is there a more reliable source of this data?

Thanks!

Steve

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

Thus spaketh Steve:

12110 H, TP21, 27500

...as a Sky Digital with Videoguard channel. My box does not list
anything on that frequency, but it DOES list:

12109 H, with a TP number of 28, and it carries:

Probably becuase the frequency could be 12,109.5 the website has rounded it
up, your box rounded it down.

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

Probably becuase the frequency could be 12,109.5 the website has rounded
it up, your box rounded it down.

Yes, but what about all the other anomalies I found??

STeve

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" wrote in message
...
Thus spaketh Steve:

12110 H, TP21, 27500

...as a Sky Digital with Videoguard channel. My box does not list
anything on that frequency, but it DOES list:

12109 H, with a TP number of 28, and it carries:

Probably because the frequency could be 12,109.5 the website has rounded it
up, your box rounded it down.

My STB assigns TP numbers, and determines FEC automatically. The key parameters
are polarity, symbol rate and the frequency which may have a small discrepancy.

Satellite TV channels are also listed on http://www.satcodx.com/uke/

Individual channels do come and go, or change parameters, or have strange
names/numbers which conceal their true nature.


--

Michael Chare

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Adrian A kindly pointed me to http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html in reply
to
my query titled "Help for satellite (NOT Sky) newbie".

Is this something I'm misunderstanding, or is the LyngSat Web site a load
of
crap? If so, is there a more reliable source of this data?

As a newbie you appear to have little respect for a website that has been
around 8 years of more bringing everyone satellite channel information from
many satellites. For many years I have use the website in question and it
has had very acurate information, although I have not recently checked it
out, I will be very surprised to find its as bad as you are suggesting. Are
you sure you have your own system configured correctly to display the
correct frequencies for the LNB in use?

Mike

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Mike" wrote in
:


"Steve" wrote in message
...

Adrian A kindly pointed me to http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html in
reply
to
my query titled "Help for satellite (NOT Sky) newbie".

Is this something I'm misunderstanding, or is the LyngSat Web site a
load
of
crap? If so, is there a more reliable source of this data?

As a newbie you appear to have little respect for a website that has
been around 8 years of more bringing everyone satellite channel
information from many satellites. For many years I have use the
website in question and it has had very acurate information, although
I have not recently checked it out, I will be very surprised to find
its as bad as you are suggesting. Are you sure you have your own
system configured correctly to display the correct frequencies for the
LNB in use?

Mike





Agreed in general, but I never assume a historically good website is still
up to date.

Two examples (non-tv) but I'm sure a lot of people rely on:
www.adslguide.org.uk - no ISP comparisons since October, a lot of the
pricing information is dated early 2005, and there are big gaps with some
ISP information where I know packages have changed in the last few months.
www.samknows.com - another ADSL information site, very few updates since
mid-2005 so I can no longer rely on the information.

My major gripe is that I go onto newsgroups/forums asking for infomation as
a "newbie" in some areas, and then get the usual Google pointer (not always
appropriate), or directed to "gospel" sites such as the above and Lyngsat,
regardless of whether they are actually up-to-date and useful!

The moral of the story? Don't believe the hype...

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Adrian A kindly pointed me to http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html in reply
to
my query titled "Help for satellite (NOT Sky) newbie".

I've done a comprehensive comparison between what my box receives on a
per-channel basis, and what it says on the Web site.

Either my box is lying, or the Web site is seriously wrong (or out of
date, more likely).


Surprised me with that info. that the site is wrong in many places.

Are these wrong as well?
http://www.kingofsat.net/en/
http://www.satcodx.com/eng/
http://www.transponder-news.de/

If your you find these same as Lyngsat I wonder if the box is OK.
--
Regards
David

Please reply to News Group

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

In article , Mike
writes

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Adrian A kindly pointed me to http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html in reply
to
my query titled "Help for satellite (NOT Sky) newbie".

Is this something I'm misunderstanding, or is the LyngSat Web site a load
of
crap? If so, is there a more reliable source of this data?

As a newbie you appear to have little respect for a website that has been
around 8 years of more bringing everyone satellite channel information from
many satellites. For many years I have use the website in question and it
has had very acurate information, although I have not recently checked it
out, I will be very surprised to find its as bad as you are suggesting. Are
you sure you have your own system configured correctly to display the
correct frequencies for the LNB in use?

I don't see any disrespect, it seem like a perfectly good question to
me!.

So is it wrong or not?...

--
Tony Sayer

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike
writes

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Adrian A kindly pointed me to http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html in
reply
to
my query titled "Help for satellite (NOT Sky) newbie".


I don't see any disrespect, it seem like a perfectly good question to
me!.

Tony Sayer

I agree, its fine to ask the question, but its not a good idea to say you
are a newbie and then go on to suggest a longstanding satellite related
website is 'crap' in the same post. I've been using http://www.lyngsat.com/
for many years, and it gets updated regularly.

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

Mike wrote:

are a newbie and then go on to suggest a longstanding satellite related
website is 'crap' in the same post. I've been using http://www.lyngsat.com/

He said "is it crap" not "it is crap". Big difference.

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

He said "is it crap" not "it is crap". Big difference.

Exactly - I asked "is it crap?", and I even began my question by suggesting
it was ME who'd got it wrong.

Anyway, enough of this. It still looks to me like the Lyngsat site is wrong
in a number of areas. I'll compare it with the other sites Michael and
David gave links to, and report back.

If I've got my knickers in a twist, or my sat box is misreporting what is on
which frequency, I'll make a public and humble apology in this forum. If
not, I'll rephrase my question into a statement!

Steve

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Mike" wrote in
:

As a newbie you appear to have little respect for a website that has
been around 8 years of more bringing everyone satellite channel
information from many satellites.

As a newbie, how is he supposed to know much about it? Even if he does
have 'respect' for it, is he supposed to believe that Lyngsat is
infallible?

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

In article ,
Anthony Haines wrote:
"Mike" wrote in
:

As a newbie you appear to have little respect for a website that has
been around 8 years of more bringing everyone satellite channel
information from many satellites.

As a newbie, how is he supposed to know much about it? Even if he does
have 'respect' for it, is he supposed to believe that Lyngsat is
infallible?

Like all of us a newbie is expected to treat anything and everything with
respect unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. Not "is this site
crap?" but "is this site reliable?". It's a different approach but it's one
that we could all use to general benefit.

--
John Cartmell [email protected] followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"John Cartmell" wrote

Like all of us a newbie is expected to treat anything and everything with
respect unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. Not "is this site
crap?" but "is this site reliable?". It's a different approach but it's
one
that we could all use to general benefit.

OK, OK, I put my hands up! I was feeling pretty cheesed off, which may well
have coloured my language.

Please, everyone, accept my humble apologies.

Is there any chance we could put this behind us now?

Steve

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

In article , Steve
wrote:

"John Cartmell" wrote

Like all of us a newbie is expected to treat anything and everything with
respect unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. Not "is this site
crap?" but "is this site reliable?". It's a different approach but it's
one that we could all use to general benefit.

OK, OK, I put my hands up! I was feeling pretty cheesed off, which may
well have coloured my language.

Please, everyone, accept my humble apologies.

Is there any chance we could put this behind us now?

We're all cheesed off at times and make stupid comments - usually far worse
than your own minor slip. What does clear it all up nicely is what you have
just done! ;-)

--
John Cartmell [email protected] followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"John Cartmell" wrote

Like all of us a newbie is expected to treat anything and everything with
respect unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. Not "is this site
crap?" but "is this site reliable?". It's a different approach but it's
one
that we could all use to general benefit.

OK, OK, I put my hands up! I was feeling pretty cheesed off, which may
well have coloured my language.

Please, everyone, accept my humble apologies.

Is there any chance we could put this behind us now?

Steve

Don't you take any notice of them.

Bill

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

In article ,
(Steve) wrote:

Is this something I'm misunderstanding, or is the LyngSat Web site a
load of crap?

Probably the former I'm afraid. Please check what LNB the receiver
thinks you have, and alter if necessary. Your receiver is reporting
that the transponder at 11260 is on 12109, which says to me that the LNB
LO settings are wrong. I'm sure somebody will be along to correct me if
I am wrong, but check it anyway (it is in the Antenna Setup menu I
believe) - it will give you something to do between everybody having a
go at me for being wrong and somebody popping up with the right answer :-)

SPB

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

Thanks, Simon, for that reply.

My LNB is "Quad universal SkyWare SX719QS/S LNB, mounted on a standard Sky
minidish.

My receiver (the Fortec Star Lifetime Classic from Maplin) has the following
choices for the "LNB" setting:

5150
9750
10000
10050
10600
10750
11200
11475
SINGLE-SL
SINGLE-SH
0
UNI

I have it set to UNI.

I have the "LNB Power" set to 14/18, although I've tried it on 14/19 and it
seems the same.

The "22kHz" can be set to OFF, ON or AUTO. However, when the LNB type is
set to UNI the "22kHz" setting goes straight to AUTO and is greyed out
(visible but can't be altered).

I've had my knuckes rapped for dissing the Lyngsat site, and am quite happy
to be shown that I've got my set up wrong. If so, I'll make a fulsome
apology!

Does it look like I've got everything set up correctly? I can't see
anything wrong myself.

Thanks,

Steve

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Simon, for that reply.

My LNB is "Quad universal SkyWare SX719QS/S LNB, mounted on a standard Sky
minidish.

My receiver (the Fortec Star Lifetime Classic from Maplin) has the
following choices for the "LNB" setting:

5150
9750
10000
10050
10600
10750
11200
11475
SINGLE-SL
SINGLE-SH
0
UNI

I have it set to UNI.
It might be worth selecting 10.600 and 9.750 manually instead of setting UNI
and then doing a rescan, just in case the box has a fault. The UNI setting
switches automatically between these two options.

Has the box got one LNB connector or two, by the way? Some boxes have auto
input switching and some have loopthrough to a second box. The latter is
useful for diagnosing switching faults when you have left your expensive
test gear at home (or your son has nicked it out of your van while you were
having a lie-in).


I have the "LNB Power" set to 14/18, although I've tried it on 14/19 and
it seems the same.
Check with a volt meter whether the voltage on the LNB connector switches as
it should.


The "22kHz" can be set to OFF, ON or AUTO. However, when the LNB type is
set to UNI the "22kHz" setting goes straight to AUTO and is greyed out
(visible but can't be altered).
That makes sense.


I've had my knuckes rapped for dissing the Lyngsat site, and am quite
happy to be shown that I've got my set up wrong. If so, I'll make a
fulsome apology!
Don't you take any notice of them. They're all a set of grumpy old men on
here! There's only me that's nice.

Bill

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

In article ,
(Steve) wrote:

I've had my knuckes rapped for dissing the Lyngsat site, and am quite
happy to be shown that I've got my set up wrong. If so, I'll make a
fulsome apology!

Don't know about that, but although Lyngsat can have the odd error, it
does have a good reputation so I would be most surprised if it was as
wrong as your results make it look.

Does it look like I've got everything set up correctly? I can't see
anything wrong myself.

IME it usually take someone else to spot these things :-) Follow Bill's
advice - he knows far more about it than me! And, as he pointed out, he
is the only nice one here.

SPB

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Simon Bradley" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
(Steve) wrote:

IME it usually take someone else to spot these things :-) Follow Bill's
advice - he knows far more about it than me!
I'm on the very edge of my EOE here I might point out. I have very little to
do with this sort of thing. Alan Pemberton knows all about things like this,
but he's a hermit so we don't see much of him.

And, as he pointed out, he
is the only nice one here.
Yes, that bit is definitely correct.


SPB

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

In article ,
(Bill Wright) wrote:

I'm on the very edge of my EOE here I might point out. I have very
little to do with this sort of thing. Alan Pemberton knows all about
things like this, but he's a hermit so we don't see much of him.

Bill, some modest bloke has hacked your account!

is the only nice one here.
Yes, that bit is definitely correct.

Sorry, forget that!

Still, straying back to the original problem, I'm sure somebody will
come along who has the same set of kit and tell Steve what the problem
is :-)

SPB

LyngSat Web site wrong??
 

"Alan Pemberton" wrote in message
rve.co.uk.invalid...
Bill Wright wrote:

I do believe I contributed to this thread twice before it bifurcated.

That's legal, but in some states not with your cousin.

Bill