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[email protected] December 8th 05 07:23 AM

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Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:

Premier Sets like Band of Brothers still command good money. TV sets
are selling better than movies. Interest on movies seems to have
waded a bit, I coulnd't get $4.99 for A movies like Red Dragon.

I have been buying and selling DVDs on Ebay for 5 years, I basically
use it as a rental service, buy new, watch once and sell right away.

5 years ago, I lost maybe a couple of bucks on a disc, now the DVD
market has tanked that I couldn't get half price from my disc.

Isn't it the true sign that people are avoiding buying DVDs in
anticipation of the arrival of HD DVDs?

I am kind of suprised that I coulnd't get $15 for a LOTR EE set. But
I guess that makes sense, premier movices like LOTR will benefit the
most from HD and thus people are avoiding buying them. Just a few
thoughts.

jm December 8th 05 08:00 AM

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I am avoiding buying them. I may avoid buying a non-1080p input tv
because of it.


Derek Janssen December 8th 05 08:59 AM

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wrote:

Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay.


....Oh. Okay. I've heard that we'll all have flying cars someday, so
I'm selling all my old tires. ;)

Derek Janssen


afiggatt December 8th 05 03:17 PM

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wrote:

Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:


They are? I doubt if we will see any Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players before
the spring of 2006 and even that is uncertain. I hope your HD TV has a
DVI/HDCP or HDMI port because it is likely that the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
players will only send the 1080i HD signal out the copy protected
digital port. The component will likely be good for 480i/480p only.

I don't understand why anyone would dump their DVD collection just
because of BR or HD-DVD on the horizon. It will be years before many of
the DVD titles will be available on BR/HD-DVD. And will the modest
improvement in picture quality for many older movies (those in poorer
condition) be worth buying it all over again?

I don't expect to buy either a BR or HD-DVD player for at least 1 or 2
years after they hit the market and possibly even longer, depending in
part on how draconian the copy protected requirements are.

Alan F


Goro December 8th 05 04:02 PM

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jm wrote:
I am avoiding buying them. I may avoid buying a non-1080p input tv
because of it.


i can understand your sentiment, but isn't that basically ALL tv sets?
I'm only aware of 2 HDTVs that take native 1080p in (HP DLP and there's
one LCD, iirc). Top of the line Sony SXRD ($10k) doesn't. And 1080p
is not even quite "complete" as a format, is it? IIRC, currently 1080p
exists only in 24,25,30 fps and not the usual 50 or 60.

Without going into yet another rant on AACS et al, I'll say that I'm
normally an early adopter and i have a 50" 720p DLP TV and I EAGERLY
anticipate a hi-res DVD-type format b/c there current DVDs do not (to
me) look that good and the flaw are extremely noticeable on a 50"
screen. Now, whether h.264 is the solution or whether mpeg-2 at 480p
with higher bitrate could eliminate the artifacts that bother me is
something i donut no (or if there's another solution).

btw, has anyone watched any HD WMVs? output to a big tv? if so, how
do they look?

-goro-


[email protected] December 8th 05 04:05 PM

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You mean the flying cars are in Japan too???


[email protected] December 8th 05 04:07 PM

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Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.


Jeff Rife December 8th 05 04:51 PM

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) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
5 years ago, I lost maybe a couple of bucks on a disc, now the DVD
market has tanked that I couldn't get half price from my disc.

Isn't it the true sign that people are avoiding buying DVDs in
anticipation of the arrival of HD DVDs?


No, it's the true sign that you can get new DVDs for great prices from
places that you are certain will deliver.

--
Jeff Rife |
| http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/OverTheHedge/Chainsaw.gif

Bratboy December 8th 05 05:28 PM

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wrote in message
oups.com...
Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.


I really see no reason to "dump" dvd's because an HD version may be coming.
You have no garuntee if this or that title you really like is ever gonna be
rereleased in HD-DVD or BlueRay so you could sell something you cant get
again. I'd also imagine most if not all of those new HD players coming out
NEXT YEAR will have some sort of decent upscale. At least wait till several
players and at least some supply of HD-DVD's are physically avail at local
stores before you dump everything. Heck I seem to recall how Superbit was
gonna make ppl replace all their movies, back when 1st introduced, because
it was so much better. That didnt turn out to be true, as far as I can tell
anyway, with only a Handfull of titles in SuperBit it sure didnt render
regular DVD's obsolete and I kind of doubt HD-DVD will either. Course I have
different ideas for HD DVD. I'm looking forward to being able to buy entire
Seasons on a single disk instead of 6 disc's to shuffle everything is right
there. Wi



Large Farva December 8th 05 07:44 PM

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wrote in message
...
Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:


LOL! You're not too smart are you?



Premier Sets like Band of Brothers still command good money. TV sets
are selling better than movies. Interest on movies seems to have
waded a bit, I coulnd't get $4.99 for A movies like Red Dragon.


That's because you can get it at Walmart for $4.99, and by the time you add
shipping to yours, it's a ripoff.



5 years ago, I lost maybe a couple of bucks on a disc, now the DVD
market has tanked that I couldn't get half price from my disc.


That's because DVD's now cost half as much as they did 5 years ago.

Plus with DVD Shrink, there's no reason to buy these crappy movies that are
not worth $20. Rent it and copy it.



Isn't it the true sign that people are avoiding buying DVDs in
anticipation of the arrival of HD DVDs?


Hell no. Not even close. Only tech savvy people even know what HD-DVD is,
which leaves out 90% of the DVD buying public.



Black Locust December 8th 05 10:33 PM

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In article ,
wrote:

Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:


You sir, are a moron of the highest order. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are here?
I'll be damned if I've seen a single player or disc in Circuit City yet..

I am kind of suprised that I coulnd't get $15 for a LOTR EE set. But
I guess that makes sense, premier movices like LOTR will benefit the
most from HD and thus people are avoiding buying them. Just a few
thoughts.


Most anyone who wants LotR, already owns them. You think fans of the
movies are going to wait until 2006 to purchase them? Just how dense are
you?

But by all means, dump your entire DVD collection before the OVERHYPED
HD formats have even launched. Sure, it's thousands of dollars down the
toilet, but it's pocket change to you, right? I'm sure you're some rich
douchebag with tons of $$$ to burn, but you're still an idiot in my
book.

I built a DVD collection to have my favorite movies and TV series
available to me for many years to come on a small compact disc that
never wears out or deteriorates and provides good video/audio quality.
Apparently you built a DVD collection because it was the "cool" thing to
do at the time. Now hurry up and jump on that HD bandwagon before it's
too late!
--
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we." - George Dumbya Bush

[email protected] December 8th 05 10:37 PM

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wrote:
Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:

Premier Sets like Band of Brothers still command good money. TV sets
are selling better than movies. Interest on movies seems to have
waded a bit, I coulnd't get $4.99 for A movies like Red Dragon.

I have been buying and selling DVDs on Ebay for 5 years, I basically
use it as a rental service, buy new, watch once and sell right away.

5 years ago, I lost maybe a couple of bucks on a disc, now the DVD
market has tanked that I couldn't get half price from my disc.

Isn't it the true sign that people are avoiding buying DVDs in
anticipation of the arrival of HD DVDs?

I am kind of suprised that I coulnd't get $15 for a LOTR EE set. But
I guess that makes sense, premier movices like LOTR will benefit the
most from HD and thus people are avoiding buying them. Just a few
thoughts.


Most buyers won't buy on eBay unless they are getting a better deal
than
what they would pay at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc. That's the motive for
buying online.

Also consider that you are offering used DVDs. Even if they are in
"like new" condition,
buyers still expect a discount if they are previously viewed.

If a DVD title is selling for $9.98 at Wal Mart how much would you
expect to get
for the same title (used) if you are selling online?

I believe the low prices on eBay has more to do with the lower prices
at Wal-Mart.
rather than the anticipation of Blu-Ray discs.

----------------------------------
http://auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/


[email protected] December 9th 05 12:54 AM

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Its not like the move from Laser Discs to DVDs. I sold off my LDs when
they
were still selling used for $15 to $25. Over the years I replaced most
of those
LD titles with the same DVD titles for the same price or less.

Why sell off your DVDs at $5 each. The prices have pretty much bottomed
out.

---------------------
http://auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/


Matthew L. Martin December 9th 05 01:56 AM

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Bratboy wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.



I really see no reason to "dump" dvd's because an HD version may be coming.
You have no garuntee if this or that title you really like is ever gonna be
rereleased in HD-DVD or BlueRay so you could sell something you cant get
again.


Which is why I still have ~750 laserdiscs.

Matthew

--
What if you arrived at the fountain of youth, only to find dead toddlers
floating in the pond? -- John O on AFB

SBFan2000 December 9th 05 03:26 AM

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Your giving them to much credit. :-) Even summer of 2006 is highly
unlikely. And if its true that BluRay is going to require a internet
connection there will be many that won't buy, including me. As for people
dumping their dvds for BR, I think you'll find most of them are trolls
looking for a fight.


"afiggatt" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:


They are? I doubt if we will see any Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players before
the spring of 2006 and even that is uncertain. I hope your HD TV has a
DVI/HDCP or HDMI port because it is likely that the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD
players will only send the 1080i HD signal out the copy protected
digital port. The component will likely be good for 480i/480p only.

I don't understand why anyone would dump their DVD collection just
because of BR or HD-DVD on the horizon. It will be years before many of
the DVD titles will be available on BR/HD-DVD. And will the modest
improvement in picture quality for many older movies (those in poorer
condition) be worth buying it all over again?

I don't expect to buy either a BR or HD-DVD player for at least 1 or 2
years after they hit the market and possibly even longer, depending in
part on how draconian the copy protected requirements are.

Alan F





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Allan December 9th 05 03:28 AM

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:44:25 GMT, "Large Farva"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:


LOL! You're not too smart are you?


Because he is selling his collection now??

Premier Sets like Band of Brothers still command good money. TV sets
are selling better than movies. Interest on movies seems to have
waded a bit, I coulnd't get $4.99 for A movies like Red Dragon.


That's because you can get it at Walmart for $4.99, and by the time you add
shipping to yours, it's a ripoff.


Well Amazon has it new for $10.99... never been to Wallmart but I
doubt your claim of $4.99... so I call your bull****.

5 years ago, I lost maybe a couple of bucks on a disc, now the DVD
market has tanked that I couldn't get half price from my disc.


That's because DVD's now cost half as much as they did 5 years ago.


All DVD's... interesting claim.

New Sin City is $26.... don't remember paying $52 a year ago.







"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game
because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from
-- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."
- Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_

Allan December 9th 05 03:30 AM

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:33:24 -0600, Black Locust
wrote:


But by all means, dump your entire DVD collection before the OVERHYPED
HD formats have even launched. Sure, it's thousands of dollars down the
toilet, but it's pocket change to you, right? I'm sure you're some rich
douchebag with tons of $$$ to burn, but you're still an idiot in my
book.


Little harsher than normal Black.






"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game
because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from
-- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."
- Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_

[email protected] December 9th 05 04:41 AM

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It's spelled "Wal-Mart" and their website has Red Dragon for $10.87.
This does not mean the other poster was wrong, as their stores and
website often have different pricing. It's too bad you never visit
Wal-Mart, because they have some really great DVD deals, especially on
movies.

-beaumon


Galley December 9th 05 05:13 AM

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:23:08 GMT, spewed forth these words of
wisdom:

Blue Ray and HD DVD are here, so I am making a move to dump my entire
DVD collection on Ebay. Few Observations:


I dumped a large majority of my CD collection, thinking SACD was the future. Big
mistake!

--
Galley's Music Scene
A different music topic every weekday
http://www.GalleysMusicScene.com/

Allan December 9th 05 05:49 AM

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On 8 Dec 2005 19:41:52 -0800, wrote:

It's spelled "Wal-Mart" and their website has Red Dragon for $10.87.
This does not mean the other poster was wrong, as their stores and
website often have different pricing. It's too bad you never visit
Wal-Mart, because they have some really great DVD deals, especially on
movies.



Never been in a "Wal-Mart" ... and I no longer buy DVD's... so....








"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game
because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from
-- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."
- Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_

[email protected] December 9th 05 06:06 AM

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article ,
Allan [email protected] .org wrote:

are selling better than movies. Interest on movies seems to have
waded a bit, I coulnd't get $4.99 for A movies like Red Dragon.

That's because you can get it at Walmart for $4.99, and by the time you add
shipping to yours, it's a ripoff.


Well Amazon has it new for $10.99... never been to Wallmart but I
doubt your claim of $4.99... so I call your bull****.


no, it's true. Sure, you have to hunt through that big bin of DVDs they
stick in the aisle, but there you have it.


Wal-Mart's listed price for Red Dragon is $10.87
There are a lot of titles available for $9.98 at my local Wal-Mart.

Most of these will rarely sell for more than $5.00 used on eBay.
$5.00 might be a little high considering that you have to pay atleast
$2.00 postage
if not more.
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Allan December 9th 05 02:48 PM

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:44:04 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
wrote:

In article ,
Allan [email protected] .org wrote:

are selling better than movies. Interest on movies seems to have
waded a bit, I coulnd't get $4.99 for A movies like Red Dragon.

That's because you can get it at Walmart for $4.99, and by the time you add
shipping to yours, it's a ripoff.


Well Amazon has it new for $10.99... never been to Wallmart but I
doubt your claim of $4.99... so I call your bull****.


no, it's true. Sure, you have to hunt through that big bin of DVDs they
stick in the aisle, but there you have it.


Amazon on-line is $10.99... Wal-mart on-line is close to that.
Cheapest price at DVD price search... $9.19. It's Bull****.






"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game
because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from
-- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."
- Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_

NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 03:19 PM

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On 8 Dec 2005 07:02:30 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:

current DVDs do not (to
me) look that good and the flaw are extremely noticeable on a 50"
screen.


You probably have you brightness up too high.

That posterization of dark areas will carry though to the new format
likely as well.

NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 03:26 PM

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On 8 Dec 2005 07:07:11 -0800, Gave us:

Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.


If the current resolution of DVDs and *that* library of transfers
took as many years as it did, how long do you think that
re-transferring that same library to a new, higher res, longer capture
time per frame masters will take? There were long lines at the
companies which performed the original DVD library of transfers.

You pretty much screw yourself pitching away titles that you don't
have any clue as to when they will be appearing in the new format.

Several years, it will take. Many titles will not even get a new
transfer treatment as well. There will simply be a BR or whatever
release of the same source media at no improvement in resolution.
Count on it.

You are screwing yourself to dump a collection of discs because
something new will be coming out. Especially when you don't even know
the time line for it.

DVDs are going to be around for quite a while, and they are quite
high enough in resolution for nearly all applications.

NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 03:28 PM

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:33:24 -0600, Black Locust
Gave us:

I built a DVD collection to have my favorite movies and TV series
available to me for many years to come on a small compact disc that
never wears out or deteriorates and provides good video/audio quality.


Exactly.

NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 03:30 PM

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On 8 Dec 2005 15:54:33 -0800, Gave us:

Its not like the move from Laser Discs to DVDs. I sold off my LDs when
they
were still selling used for $15 to $25. Over the years I replaced most
of those
LD titles with the same DVD titles for the same price or less.

Why sell off your DVDs at $5 each. The prices have pretty much bottomed
out.


I have LD titles that you cannot find... anywhere.

They still hold their original value... if not more.

Goro December 9th 05 03:30 PM

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NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 8 Dec 2005 07:02:30 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:

current DVDs do not (to
me) look that good and the flaw are extremely noticeable on a 50"
screen.


You probably have you brightness up too high.


Calibrated using Avia. of course, the whites saturate a bit quickly on
the DLP, so i had to manually correct this down a bit. Regardless,
DVDs look very good and light years ahead of any previous format, but
still show their limitations and on bigger screens, they show up more
visisbly.

OTA HDTV already shows a potential noticeable (to me) increase in
picture quality. HDTV right now suffers from motion artifacting, but i
assume this is from bitrate issue.

-goro-

That posterization of dark areas will carry though to the new format
likely as well.



NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 03:31 PM

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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:26:30 -0500, "SBFan2000"
Gave us:

I think you'll find most of them are trolls
looking for a fight.


And you are a top posting idiot looking to instigate one.

Goro December 9th 05 03:37 PM

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NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 8 Dec 2005 07:07:11 -0800, Gave us:

Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.


If the current resolution of DVDs and *that* library of transfers
took as many years as it did, how long do you think that
re-transferring that same library to a new, higher res, longer capture
time per frame masters will take? There were long lines at the
companies which performed the original DVD library of transfers.

You pretty much screw yourself pitching away titles that you don't
have any clue as to when they will be appearing in the new format.

Several years, it will take. Many titles will not even get a new
transfer treatment as well. There will simply be a BR or whatever
release of the same source media at no improvement in resolution.
Count on it.


This is too true. The first SEVERAL YEARS of BR, you will have to be
extremely careful when replacing a DVD with a BRDisc. Likely, you'll
have to check to see if it's from a HDMaster or whether it's from the
previous master. In the latter case, it's likely to look the same as
(or very close to) an upsampled 480p SD DVD (sans macroblocking,
htouhg, right?) Still, for newer movies and latter day movies (some
DVDs tout "From an HD master") it might be worth it. MIGHT.

And then there's the diminsihing returns for (say) CASABLANCA and that
huge catalog of classic movies that i love. Unlikely that (a) they'll
get to it anytime soon and (b) that it will look any better. But with
a higher bit rate and not macroblocking, maybe it would look better?

You are screwing yourself to dump a collection of discs because
something new will be coming out. Especially when you don't even know
the time line for it.

DVDs are going to be around for quite a while, and they are quite
high enough in resolution for nearly all applications.


I agree with this sentiment.

-goro-


NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 03:40 PM

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:49:41 -0500, Allan
[email protected] .org Gave us:


Never been in a "Wal-Mart" ... and I no longer buy DVD's... so....

Ever been over a 40 IQ?

NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 04:39 PM

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On 9 Dec 2005 06:30:54 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:

OTA HDTV already shows a potential noticeable (to me) increase in
picture quality. HDTV right now suffers from motion artifacting, but i
assume this is from bitrate issue.


Nope. It's the conversion that takes place for the DLP.

I have a CRT style HDTV, and there are NO artifacts EVER.

I go look at even the best FPDs and see it in even simple motion.

General Instrument (the inventors of the HDTV format) used 16
processors on their motion estimator board alone. I know that TVs
cannot incorporate that.

You will all see huge improvements when companies like faroudja (sp)
start using cell cpus in TVs for such things as motion processing for
the down conversion that gets done for DLP renderings. Even a
standard LCD display sports the same problems... but not my CRT.

CRTs STILL RULE! And this is one reason why. NO downconversion!

NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 04:49 PM

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On 9 Dec 2005 06:37:27 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:


NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 8 Dec 2005 07:07:11 -0800, Gave us:

Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.


If the current resolution of DVDs and *that* library of transfers
took as many years as it did, how long do you think that
re-transferring that same library to a new, higher res, longer capture
time per frame masters will take? There were long lines at the
companies which performed the original DVD library of transfers.

You pretty much screw yourself pitching away titles that you don't
have any clue as to when they will be appearing in the new format.

Several years, it will take. Many titles will not even get a new
transfer treatment as well. There will simply be a BR or whatever
release of the same source media at no improvement in resolution.
Count on it.


This is too true. The first SEVERAL YEARS of BR, you will have to be
extremely careful when replacing a DVD with a BRDisc. Likely, you'll
have to check to see if it's from a HDMaster or whether it's from the
previous master. In the latter case, it's likely to look the same as
(or very close to) an upsampled 480p SD DVD (sans macroblocking,
htouhg, right?) Still, for newer movies and latter day movies (some
DVDs tout "From an HD master") it might be worth it. MIGHT.


That is the thing. The telecine studios that do the current
conversion will take even longer to do these conversions and the new
movies always get to butt in line. This means that a LOT of current
media will get re-released from the same masters. That means no
improvement, or none that will be discernable.

And then there's the diminsihing returns for (say) CASABLANCA and that
huge catalog of classic movies that i love.


Having them already on Laser disc and DVD is quite fine. There are
still a few DVDs I have yet to get as replacements for some of my
laser disc titles. There are some that will never get released as
well. Note that the frame stop access discs have yet to be replicated
in DVD form. I have a laser disc of overhead US shots that I know
will never get made on DVD as one can simply log on to google earth to
get even closer views! But when I had that ****er... I had the
****... and was the only one that could show folks their house! I had
many an eye popped moment... :-]

Unlikely that (a) they'll
get to it anytime soon and (b) that it will look any better. But with
a higher bit rate and not macroblocking, maybe it would look better?


I don't know... maybe. With the huge capacity involved, one would
think that they could make discs with no compression at all.

You are screwing yourself to dump a collection of discs because
something new will be coming out. Especially when you don't even know
the time line for it.

DVDs are going to be around for quite a while, and they are quite
high enough in resolution for nearly all applications.


I agree with this sentiment.


My collection was made for a reason. There is no reason or desire
on my part to sell them for a fraction of what I paid for them in some
lame effort to recoup some tid bit of cash to start my next
collection.

I will start said collection (maybe). But my current libraries go
nowhere.

I ALSO have every computer I ever assembled or bought. From my
first to my current. Several thousand dollars worth of gear. Hehe...
you'd know I would pick the one hobby in all the world that has the
worst depreciation rate known to man! Computers!

I do have an original 10MB Tandon Hard drive though. MAYBE one day,
it will be worth something even close to half its original cost of
over $800. Doubtful though.

NunYa Bidness December 9th 05 04:50 PM

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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:59:54 GMT, Justin Gave
us:

wrote on [8 Dec 2005 19:41:52 -0800]:
It's spelled "Wal-Mart" and their website has Red Dragon for $10.87.
This does not mean the other poster was wrong, as their stores and
website often have different pricing. It's too bad you never visit
Wal-Mart, because they have some really great DVD deals, especially on
movies.


It's a shame Wal-Mart is evil.


True that.

Jeff Rife December 9th 05 04:57 PM

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Goro ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
This is too true. The first SEVERAL YEARS of BR, you will have to be
extremely careful when replacing a DVD with a BRDisc. Likely, you'll
have to check to see if it's from a HDMaster or whether it's from the
previous master.


Probably not.

Many movies released on laserdisc in the 1990s were from HD masters
(everything THX certified had to be), and almost everything today gets
the same treatment, because it doesn't really cost any more than telecine
to SD.

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Goro December 9th 05 05:29 PM

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NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 06:30:54 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:

OTA HDTV already shows a potential noticeable (to me) increase in
picture quality. HDTV right now suffers from motion artifacting, but i
assume this is from bitrate issue.


Nope. It's the conversion that takes place for the DLP.

I have a CRT style HDTV, and there are NO artifacts EVER.

I go look at even the best FPDs and see it in even simple motion.

General Instrument (the inventors of the HDTV format) used 16
processors on their motion estimator board alone. I know that TVs
cannot incorporate that.

You will all see huge improvements when companies like faroudja (sp)
start using cell cpus in TVs for such things as motion processing for
the down conversion that gets done for DLP renderings. Even a
standard LCD display sports the same problems... but not my CRT.

CRTs STILL RULE! And this is one reason why. NO downconversion!


Wow. Interseting. I DO agree that CRTs (direct view) have better
picture than DLP/LCD/LCos/SCRD/etc and was a major reason i didn't buy
my DLP. BUT the size, weight of CRTs are formidable. The tradeoff is
not so bad, but it is interesting to note that the artifacting i see on
(say) NFL Crowd scenes are a result of the DLPs... I'll have to check
out a CRT HDTV sometime soon.

-goro-


Goro December 9th 05 05:42 PM

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NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 06:37:27 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:


NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 8 Dec 2005 07:07:11 -0800, Gave us:

Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.

If the current resolution of DVDs and *that* library of transfers
took as many years as it did, how long do you think that
re-transferring that same library to a new, higher res, longer capture
time per frame masters will take? There were long lines at the
companies which performed the original DVD library of transfers.

You pretty much screw yourself pitching away titles that you don't
have any clue as to when they will be appearing in the new format.

Several years, it will take. Many titles will not even get a new
transfer treatment as well. There will simply be a BR or whatever
release of the same source media at no improvement in resolution.
Count on it.


This is too true. The first SEVERAL YEARS of BR, you will have to be
extremely careful when replacing a DVD with a BRDisc. Likely, you'll
have to check to see if it's from a HDMaster or whether it's from the
previous master. In the latter case, it's likely to look the same as
(or very close to) an upsampled 480p SD DVD (sans macroblocking,
htouhg, right?) Still, for newer movies and latter day movies (some
DVDs tout "From an HD master") it might be worth it. MIGHT.


That is the thing. The telecine studios that do the current
conversion will take even longer to do these conversions and the new
movies always get to butt in line. This means that a LOT of current
media will get re-released from the same masters. That means no
improvement, or none that will be discernable.


This is also built-in obsolescence which they love so very much. it
actually encourages them to release a huge catalog with inferior
masters so that they can provide an IMPROVED IMAGE SE version later.
You know they had to be loving the Non-anamorphic to Anamorphic
crossover.

And then there's the diminsihing returns for (say) CASABLANCA and that
huge catalog of classic movies that i love.


Having them already on Laser disc and DVD is quite fine. There are
still a few DVDs I have yet to get as replacements for some of my
laser disc titles. There are some that will never get released as
well. Note that the frame stop access discs have yet to be replicated
in DVD form. I have a laser disc of overhead US shots that I know
will never get made on DVD as one can simply log on to google earth to
get even closer views! But when I had that ****er... I had the
****... and was the only one that could show folks their house! I had
many an eye popped moment... :-]


That is cool as hell. CAV LDs regardless of the material were
inherently eye-popping to most people who've only seen VHS.

My LD jewels were Crtierion Kurosawa THE BAD SLEEP WELL and
DODES'KA-DEN as well as FIRES ON THE PLAINS and THE BURMESE HARP.
ALso, a gold disc DRUNKEN MASTER II with original soundtrack and
ending, and FIST OF LEGEND. A few more rare ones and some of which
I've sold for quite a bit. I like HAVING them, but I rarely pull out
my CLD-79 to watch any of them.

Unlikely that (a) they'll
get to it anytime soon and (b) that it will look any better. But with
a higher bit rate and not macroblocking, maybe it would look better?


I don't know... maybe. With the huge capacity involved, one would
think that they could make discs with no compression at all.


That's what I'm hoping. Espeically in the case of TV shows. I mean, I
love video quality and the more prisitne the video, the better, BUT,
I've also goten used to watching Xvids on my tv. 720MB/hr. I do
notice the downgraded image quality, but for tv shows, i don't midn too
much. For movies... a bit more.

As an aside, you know there are actually a few DVD5s out there. Or at
least DVDs where the movie itself fits on a DVD5. Sony's STEAMBOY and
Dreamwork's TOKYO GODFATHERS dvds occur to me off the top of my head
and I believe also BELLEVILLE RENDEZVOUS. STEAMBOY in particular
deserves a Superbit-type full bitrate presentation.

While i'm at it, i'd like to see edge-enhancement go away or at least
be an option. There are some cases where it's quite noticeable and
irritating (yes, i have sharpness turned nearly all the way down on the
tv). THE RIGHT STUFF and Tetsuya Kumakawa's SLEEPING BEAUTY ballet are
notable, iirc.

You are screwing yourself to dump a collection of discs because
something new will be coming out. Especially when you don't even know
the time line for it.

DVDs are going to be around for quite a while, and they are quite
high enough in resolution for nearly all applications.


I agree with this sentiment.


My collection was made for a reason. There is no reason or desire
on my part to sell them for a fraction of what I paid for them in some
lame effort to recoup some tid bit of cash to start my next
collection.


Much of my collection is a "collection." I have my beloved Criterions.
Truffaut, Kurosawa, Bergman. There's alot of Foreign films which i
love, like Patrice Leconte stuff and the stuff from Korea. ANd some tv
shows that i love like FUTURAMA, BATMAN TAS, FREAKS AND GEEKS, etc.
But I've somehow managed to get a bunch of DVDs of movies that I've
only watched once and don't really want to watch again. I think i
bought them in a form of video-rental. I wanted to watch it so i
bought it instead of renting it (stupidly).

I will start said collection (maybe). But my current libraries go
nowhere.


DVD-BRD will be a very long migration process for me. It might be so
long that i endup on whatever format follows BRD.

-goro-


SBFan2000 December 10th 05 03:10 AM

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Not positive but I think I remember seeing Red Dragon in the bin at walmart
for 2 for $11, so that would be 5.50. But again, not positive, dug through
it for bout 30-40 minutes and saw MANY different movies.


wrote in message
ups.com...
It's spelled "Wal-Mart" and their website has Red Dragon for $10.87.
This does not mean the other poster was wrong, as their stores and
website often have different pricing. It's too bad you never visit
Wal-Mart, because they have some really great DVD deals, especially on
movies.

-beaumon





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3W December 10th 05 06:10 AM

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"Goro" wrote in message
oups.com...
i can understand your sentiment, but isn't that basically ALL tv sets?
I'm only aware of 2 HDTVs that take native 1080p in (HP DLP and there's
one LCD, iirc). Top of the line Sony SXRD ($10k) doesn't. And 1080p
is not even quite "complete" as a format, is it? IIRC, currently 1080p
exists only in 24,25,30 fps and not the usual 50 or 60.


What usual 50 or 60 fps? No material is transmitted at 60 fps. Current TV is
transmitted at 60 FIELDS per second, not 60 frames. And since we're talking
1080p (as in PROGRESSIVE), the transmission will necessarily be frames not
fields.



3W December 10th 05 06:15 AM

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"Allan" [email protected] .org wrote in
message ...
That's because DVD's now cost half as much as they did 5 years ago.


All DVD's... interesting claim.

New Sin City is $26.... don't remember paying $52 a year ago.


He wrote 5 years, not one year.



Allan December 10th 05 07:09 AM

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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:40:32 GMT, NunYa Bidness
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:49:41 -0500, Allan
[email protected] b.org Gave us:


Never been in a "Wal-Mart" ... and I no longer buy DVD's... so....

Ever been over a 40 IQ?


What... your mother getting over time at Wal-mart this week?






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