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Jeff Rife September 27th 03 07:32 PM

Matthew L. Martin ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
have drop out problems due to
multipath


Oddly enough, this problem is only reported by you and appears to be a
very rare problem.


I have a station where the analog is multipath hell with one primary ghost
about 35% away from the main image, and lots of secondary ghosts. The
digital station from the same tower comes in clean and clear.

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Bulk Daddy September 27th 03 09:51 PM

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in
s.com:


The various versions of COFDM were designed to fix the problems
of reception that plagued NTSC and they have succeeded. COFDM was
designed for the future.


Great! We have HDTV now! You can keep waiting.

Matthew


Yep. I don't use OTA and even I would not like to see it changed now.
Bob has made up his mind that the color of the sky can be an even better
shade of blue if we would all just see it his way.

This thread is dead. Next topic.



Bulk Daddy September 27th 03 09:51 PM

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in
s.com:


The various versions of COFDM were designed to fix the problems
of reception that plagued NTSC and they have succeeded. COFDM was
designed for the future.


Great! We have HDTV now! You can keep waiting.

Matthew


Yep. I don't use OTA and even I would not like to see it changed now.
Bob has made up his mind that the color of the sky can be an even better
shade of blue if we would all just see it his way.

This thread is dead. Next topic.



David September 27th 03 10:04 PM


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
Since test have shown that ATSC coverage is no better than NTSC is and I
don't think that test really even measured how bad dynamic multipath
affects ATSC, I don't think that ATSC 8-VSB is an acceptable alternative
to NTSC.


Not true, of course. ATSC is clearly superior to NTSC.
Thousands of postings on internet forums have confirmed it.



David September 27th 03 10:04 PM


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
Since test have shown that ATSC coverage is no better than NTSC is and I
don't think that test really even measured how bad dynamic multipath
affects ATSC, I don't think that ATSC 8-VSB is an acceptable alternative
to NTSC.


Not true, of course. ATSC is clearly superior to NTSC.
Thousands of postings on internet forums have confirmed it.



David September 27th 03 10:06 PM


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...

So while driving around Manhattan in what has to be the most challenging
environment for dynamic and static multipath, COFDM reception is
exceptional. We are using omni antennas that range from 3" to 15". No
directional antenna at all, no rotors.



OOOH! OOOH!
We all want HDTV in our cars!!
Where do we sign up?



David September 27th 03 10:06 PM


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...

So while driving around Manhattan in what has to be the most challenging
environment for dynamic and static multipath, COFDM reception is
exceptional. We are using omni antennas that range from 3" to 15". No
directional antenna at all, no rotors.



OOOH! OOOH!
We all want HDTV in our cars!!
Where do we sign up?



David September 27th 03 10:32 PM


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
Think of that next time your rotor on
that 30 ft. antenna has a problem.


Do you mean the 30' antennas that they *must* use in England right now?

http://www.directsatellites.co.uk/Aerials.htm

Did you know that the present English COFDM system is NOT DESIGNED to work
with indoor antennas?

From a British
"Freeview is not designed to be received on an indoor aerial."

"If the breakup is intermittent on all or most channels then the
interference is likely to be localised, such as a fridge being opened, lamp
being turned on or off, Motorbike Driving past your house etc. "

"The best way to combat this is to mount you aerial as high as possible. "

"Use high grade cable (CT100 Satellite Cable is best) and connect the aerial
directly to your box (no wall plates or joins). "


Jeez, what a terribly inadequate OTA DTV system they have in England.
COFDM is so weak and flimsy.

http://www.kswindells.34sp.com/index...view/faqs.html

"Sound on digital can also sometimes be troubled by loud clicks and harsh
cracks."

"I would not necessarily recommend a change to digital unless you are
getting poor results with analogue TV, and you are willing to take some
trouble to get it working properly. "

http://www.stedmundsbury.gov.uk/tvproblems.htm

And on and on and on....






David September 27th 03 10:32 PM


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
Think of that next time your rotor on
that 30 ft. antenna has a problem.


Do you mean the 30' antennas that they *must* use in England right now?

http://www.directsatellites.co.uk/Aerials.htm

Did you know that the present English COFDM system is NOT DESIGNED to work
with indoor antennas?

From a British
"Freeview is not designed to be received on an indoor aerial."

"If the breakup is intermittent on all or most channels then the
interference is likely to be localised, such as a fridge being opened, lamp
being turned on or off, Motorbike Driving past your house etc. "

"The best way to combat this is to mount you aerial as high as possible. "

"Use high grade cable (CT100 Satellite Cable is best) and connect the aerial
directly to your box (no wall plates or joins). "


Jeez, what a terribly inadequate OTA DTV system they have in England.
COFDM is so weak and flimsy.

http://www.kswindells.34sp.com/index...view/faqs.html

"Sound on digital can also sometimes be troubled by loud clicks and harsh
cracks."

"I would not necessarily recommend a change to digital unless you are
getting poor results with analogue TV, and you are willing to take some
trouble to get it working properly. "

http://www.stedmundsbury.gov.uk/tvproblems.htm

And on and on and on....






David September 27th 03 10:40 PM


"John S. Dyson" wrote in message Note that Bob had
several times claimed that 480p(i) was good
enough for the public. Also, he obviously has interest in pay
per view (and some kind of wierd mobile scheme.) Almost any
usage of bandwidth beyond some low quality SDTV channels will
eliminate MPEG HDTV as a viable option.
Bob is obviously NOT interested in HDTV, but is interested in
taking away FREE OTA HDTV and (mis) using the spectrum for his
own selfish reasons.
John


Yup, that's been his agenda for years.
It's the main reason why he was thrown off the AVS forum.




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