Article: "Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"
 

I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

here are some excerpts..

"AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Europe's first high-definition
television channel went on the air over the weekend with a trial
broadcast of music and sports programming. Only next year is the
technology set to go mainstream."

Oh boy.. Europe's 1st ... very first HDTV station goes on the air.

Baghdad bob (Sinclare) can finally come back to hdtv newsgourp and
write something intelligent... NOT!!!!

"Europe's shift to the sharper images and clearer sound of
high-definition TV is moving much slower than in the United States,
where several million HDTV sets are already in use."

Slower... No kidding ... how about snails pace..

Thanks, Tim.
Hmmmm...Interesting that COFDM rcvrs will be _more_ expensive than our 8vsb
models.

I sure hope those folks don't experience the horrendous
interference/overload problems that the Brits have been battling..
-Dave


"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...
I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

here are some excerpts..

"AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Europe's first high-definition
television channel went on the air over the weekend with a trial
broadcast of music and sports programming. Only next year is the
technology set to go mainstream."

Oh boy.. Europe's 1st ... very first HDTV station goes on the air.

Baghdad bob (Sinclare) can finally come back to hdtv newsgourp and
write something intelligent... NOT!!!!

"Europe's shift to the sharper images and clearer sound of
high-definition TV is moving much slower than in the United States,
where several million HDTV sets are already in use."

Slower... No kidding ... how about snails pace..

Thanks, Tim.
Hmmmm...Interesting that COFDM rcvrs will be _more_ expensive than our 8vsb
models.

I sure hope those folks don't experience the horrendous
interference/overload problems that the Brits have been battling..
-Dave


"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...
I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

here are some excerpts..

"AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Europe's first high-definition
television channel went on the air over the weekend with a trial
broadcast of music and sports programming. Only next year is the
technology set to go mainstream."

Oh boy.. Europe's 1st ... very first HDTV station goes on the air.

Baghdad bob (Sinclare) can finally come back to hdtv newsgourp and
write something intelligent... NOT!!!!

"Europe's shift to the sharper images and clearer sound of
high-definition TV is moving much slower than in the United States,
where several million HDTV sets are already in use."

Slower... No kidding ... how about snails pace..

"David" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Tim.
Hmmmm...Interesting that COFDM rcvrs will be _more_ expensive than our
8vsb
models.

I sure hope those folks don't experience the horrendous
interference/overload problems that the Brits have been battling..
-Dave


"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...
I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"


http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

here are some excerpts..

"AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Europe's first high-definition
television channel went on the air over the weekend with a trial
broadcast of music and sports programming. Only next year is the
technology set to go mainstream."

Oh boy.. Europe's 1st ... very first HDTV station goes on the air.

Baghdad bob (Sinclare) can finally come back to hdtv newsgourp and
write something intelligent... NOT!!!!

"Europe's shift to the sharper images and clearer sound of
high-definition TV is moving much slower than in the United States,
where several million HDTV sets are already in use."

Slower... No kidding ... how about snails pace..


You mean Bob has been lying, exaggerating, twisting facts, and misleading us
all this time? Who would have known?

Leonard Caillouet

"David" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Tim.
Hmmmm...Interesting that COFDM rcvrs will be _more_ expensive than our
8vsb
models.

I sure hope those folks don't experience the horrendous
interference/overload problems that the Brits have been battling..
-Dave


"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...
I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"


http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

here are some excerpts..

"AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Europe's first high-definition
television channel went on the air over the weekend with a trial
broadcast of music and sports programming. Only next year is the
technology set to go mainstream."

Oh boy.. Europe's 1st ... very first HDTV station goes on the air.

Baghdad bob (Sinclare) can finally come back to hdtv newsgourp and
write something intelligent... NOT!!!!

"Europe's shift to the sharper images and clearer sound of
high-definition TV is moving much slower than in the United States,
where several million HDTV sets are already in use."

Slower... No kidding ... how about snails pace..


You mean Bob has been lying, exaggerating, twisting facts, and misleading us
all this time? Who would have known?

Leonard Caillouet

"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...
I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

I like the part where the European HD set top boxes cost $550

I though Bob told us that they were so cheap that manufacturers paid you to
take one.

Randy Sweeney wrote:

"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...

I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"


http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

I like the part where the European HD set top boxes cost $550

I though Bob told us that they were so cheap that manufacturers paid you to
take one.


The European HDTV is delivered via satellite. The only thing I have
talked about is OTA DVB-T receivers.

If broadcasters had been allowed to use DVB-T COFDM in the US OTA DVB-T
SDTV receivers would be vying with DVD players for news headlines about
surprisingly low priced electronics this Christmas.

Both HD and SD COFDM receivers would be available at $75 (SD) and $125
(HD).

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...

The European HDTV is delivered via satellite. The only thing I have
talked about is OTA DVB-T receivers.

If broadcasters had been allowed to use DVB-T COFDM in the US OTA DVB-T
SDTV receivers would be vying with DVD players for news headlines about
surprisingly low priced electronics this Christmas.

Both HD and SD COFDM receivers would be available at $75 (SD) and $125
(HD).


The reason OTA HDTV set top boxes are expensive has ZERO to do with the
modulation standard.

The real reason HDTV STB's are expensive is because of the hardware needed
to decode high resolution MPEG is not inconsequential. For example, it
takes a Pentium 3 GHz to really decode HDTV broadcasts in software, so the
hardware you are looking at is quite "beefy". Also, the boxes are having
low sales because many people are buying HDTV's only to watch DVD, so they
cannot lower the price yet until sales pick up. Many people are watching
digital satellite and cable on big rear projectors, thinking they are
watching HDTV (often stretched out and distorted, too).

8VSB has a few bugs that could be worked out, but price of the STB's is
no different than COFDM.

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
Randy Sweeney wrote:

"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...

I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"



http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

I like the part where the European HD set top boxes cost $550

I though Bob told us that they were so cheap that manufacturers paid you
to
take one.


The European HDTV is delivered via satellite. The only thing I have
talked about is OTA DVB-T receivers.

If broadcasters had been allowed to use DVB-T COFDM in the US OTA DVB-T
SDTV receivers would be vying with DVD players for news headlines about
surprisingly low priced electronics this Christmas.

Both HD and SD COFDM receivers would be available at $75 (SD) and $125
(HD).


So there is still no OTA HDTV in Europe with the famed DVB-T COFDM
modulation.

Both HD and SD COFDM receivers would be available at $75 (SD) and $125
(HD).

What difference does it make if ours is $300 and theirs is $100? I will sit
down tonight and have 5 different networks to watch HD stuff on, tonight and
every night...COFDM is doing such gangbuster business that Europe announces
"whoopee, we finally have HDTV!!"...and it isn't even COFDM, it's off some damn
satellite I have to pay $550 to watch to watch 2 channels...plus they sound
like half ass PBS HD loops that run in carousel fashion all day long with some
soccer games thrown in.

"Randy Sweeney" wrote in message
...

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
Randy Sweeney wrote:

"Tim Keating" wrote in message
...

I found this article today which is titled,

"Europe's first high-definition channel makes trial run"




http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/sil...es/6778743.htm

I like the part where the European HD set top boxes cost $550

I though Bob told us that they were so cheap that manufacturers paid
you
to
take one.


The European HDTV is delivered via satellite. The only thing I have
talked about is OTA DVB-T receivers.

If broadcasters had been allowed to use DVB-T COFDM in the US OTA DVB-T
SDTV receivers would be vying with DVD players for news headlines about
surprisingly low priced electronics this Christmas.

Both HD and SD COFDM receivers would be available at $75 (SD) and $125
(HD).


So there is still no OTA HDTV in Europe with the famed DVB-T COFDM
modulation.

Having finally upgraded my 2nd generations POS STB tuner (Panasonic) to the
new Sony SAT 300 I gotta say I'm impressed with the substantial improvement
the new 8VSB tuners have made. Tunes every channel available to me in about
1 - 2 seconds. The old Panasonic took 5 -10 seconds.

Both HD and SD COFDM receivers would be available at $75 (SD) and $125
(HD).


Sure BOB, about the same time that pigs will fly.

COFDM is doing such gangbuster business that Europe announces
"whoopee, we finally have HDTV!!"...and it isn't even COFDM, it's off some
damn
satellite I have to pay $550 to watch to watch 2 channels...plus they sound
like half ass PBS HD loops that run in carousel fashion all day long with
some
soccer games thrown in.

For some reason this guy, BOB, insists on making a fool of himself on a
periodic basis. Who are we to stop him?

There is a major difference in the price of an 8-VSB HDTV receiver and a
COFDM DVB-T HDTV receiver NOW. You can order COFDM HDTV receivers NOW
for $145. Within six months of that first order they can be had for $125.

magnulus wrote:

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...

The European HDTV is delivered via satellite. The only thing I have
talked about is OTA DVB-T receivers.

If broadcasters had been allowed to use DVB-T COFDM in the US OTA DVB-T
SDTV receivers would be vying with DVD players for news headlines about
surprisingly low priced electronics this Christmas.

Both HD and SD COFDM receivers would be available at $75 (SD) and $125
(HD).



The reason OTA HDTV set top boxes are expensive has ZERO to do with the
modulation standard.

The real reason HDTV STB's are expensive is because of the hardware needed
to decode high resolution MPEG is not inconsequential. For example, it
takes a Pentium 3 GHz to really decode HDTV broadcasts in software, so the
hardware you are looking at is quite "beefy". Also, the boxes are having
low sales because many people are buying HDTV's only to watch DVD, so they
cannot lower the price yet until sales pick up. Many people are watching
digital satellite and cable on big rear projectors, thinking they are
watching HDTV (often stretched out and distorted, too).

8VSB has a few bugs that could be worked out, but price of the STB's is
no different than COFDM.

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 04:10:51 GMT, Bob Miller wrote:
There is a major difference in the price of an 8-VSB HDTV receiver and a
COFDM DVB-T HDTV receiver NOW. You can order COFDM HDTV receivers NOW
for $145. Within six months of that first order they can be had for $125.

The only one I found was $899AU ($663.85 USD) at
http://www.hometheatre.net.au/qtr2140.htm. But unless you're just talking
sh*t, I'm sure you can provide us a link.

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
"It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars" - Garrison Keillor

"BB" wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 04:10:51 GMT, Bob Miller wrote:
There is a major difference in the price of an 8-VSB HDTV receiver and a
COFDM DVB-T HDTV receiver NOW. You can order COFDM HDTV receivers NOW
for $145. Within six months of that first order they can be had for
$125.

The only one I found was $899AU ($663.85 USD) at
http://www.hometheatre.net.au/qtr2140.htm. But unless you're just talking
sh*t, I'm sure you can provide us a link.


The most expensive OTA HDTV receiver (just the receiver) has been 599,
that I have seen. More common is 399, and they even make a few that cost
299 or less. So COFDM HDTV receivers are no cheaper than what we have in
the US.

"Charles Tomaras" tomarasATtomaras.com wrote in message
...
:
: Having finally upgraded my 2nd generations POS STB tuner (Panasonic) to the
: new Sony SAT 300 I gotta say I'm impressed with the substantial improvement
: the new 8VSB tuners have made. Tunes every channel available to me in about
: 1 - 2 seconds. The old Panasonic took 5 -10 seconds.
:
=================
Overall, the Sony 300 is vastly superior to my old Mits (Hughes).
Less problem in every area...................

within these hallowed halls Bob Miller of added
the following to the collective concience:
There is a major difference in the price of an 8-VSB HDTV receiver
and a COFDM DVB-T HDTV receiver NOW. You can order COFDM HDTV
receivers NOW for $145. Within six months of that first order they
can be had for $125.

Provide a link or STFU!

I'll make it *real* easy for you, COFDM HDTV receivers available for $145
can be found at the following ...

insert link here

drewdawg ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Provide a link or STFU!

I'll make it *real* easy for you, COFDM HDTV receivers available for $145
can be found at the following ...

insert link here

How many people want to bet that Bob provides a link to a US$145 COFDM HDTV
receiver...with shipping costs of US$500?

--
Jeff Rife | "If the world were destroyed and you were the
For address harvesters: | last man within a thousand mile radius, I would
| swim across the ocean on a rumor that Screech
| from 'Saved by the Bell' was spotted in Japan."
| -- Ellen

"Jeff Rife" wrote in message
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drewdawg ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Provide a link or STFU!

I'll make it *real* easy for you, COFDM HDTV receivers available for
$145
can be found at the following ...

insert link here

How many people want to bet that Bob provides a link to a US$145 COFDM
HDTV
receiver...with shipping costs of US$500?

Watch it Jeff, you may be starting to think too much like Bob...remember the
dangers of working in the loony bin too long. :-)

Leonard Caillouet

Leonard Caillouet ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Watch it Jeff, you may be starting to think too much like Bob...remember the
dangers of working in the loony bin too long. :-)

How do you know so much about my employer? :)

Anyway, the cheap prices with outrageous shipping cost scam is one of my
hot-buttons. At this point, if somebody online has really high shipping
costs, I won't buy from them even if they are the cheapest total cost,
because you get screwed if you end up returning the item for a refund.

--
Jeff Rife | Sam: Hey, how's life treating you there, Norm?
For address harvesters: |
| Norm: Beats me...then it kicks me and leaves me
| for dead.
|

within these hallowed halls Jeff Rife of added the
following to the collective concience:
drewdawg ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Provide a link or STFU!

I'll make it *real* easy for you, COFDM HDTV receivers available for
$145 can be found at the following ...

insert link here

How many people want to bet that Bob provides a link to a US$145
COFDM HDTV receiver...with shipping costs of US$500?

I'm betting Bob will *NOT* provide a link proving once again how full of
**** he really is. It's been a day BOB, where's the link?

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
There is a major difference in the price of an 8-VSB HDTV receiver and a
COFDM DVB-T HDTV receiver NOW. You can order COFDM HDTV receivers NOW
for $145. Within six months of that first order they can be had for $125.

Please provide a link to a retailer that is selling COFDM receivers for
$145.

within these hallowed halls drewdawg of
added the following to the collective
concience:
within these hallowed halls Jeff Rife of added the
following to the collective concience:
drewdawg ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Provide a link or STFU!

I'll make it *real* easy for you, COFDM HDTV receivers available for
$145 can be found at the following ...

insert link here

How many people want to bet that Bob provides a link to a US$145
COFDM HDTV receiver...with shipping costs of US$500?

I'm betting Bob will *NOT* provide a link proving once again how full
of **** he really is. It's been a day BOB, where's the link?

YAY, I WON! lol rotfl

within these hallowed halls drewdawg of
added the following to the collective
concience:
within these hallowed halls Jeff Rife of added the
following to the collective concience:
drewdawg ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Provide a link or STFU!

I'll make it *real* easy for you, COFDM HDTV receivers available for
$145 can be found at the following ...

insert link here

How many people want to bet that Bob provides a link to a US$145
COFDM HDTV receiver...with shipping costs of US$500?

I'm betting Bob will *NOT* provide a link proving once again how full
of **** he really is. It's been a day BOB, where's the link?
I see BOOBY isn't answering this, instead spewing more bull****.