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Steven Sullivan August 25th 03 10:07 PM

Rooster wrote:
(CEO) wrote in message . com...
You don't mention whether your receiver or dvd player ACTUALLY DECODES
DD DTS.


Sorry, you're right. I should have been more clear about certain
things. The receiver in question is a Kenwood VR-6050. It does decode
both DD and DTS and is connected by TOSLINK.


Hmmm! You have a receiver which doesn't allow for increasing the
volume on the center channel, independent of the right and left


Yes, it does allow for independent volume adjustments for the center
channel. However, raising it all the way to +10 barely makes a
difference in many cases. I know it's not the speaker because I've had
three different center speakers and they all sounded pretty much the
same.


Have you ever calibrated your speaker levels, using something like
the AVIA or Sond & Vision disc?


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-S.


Steven Sullivan August 25th 03 10:10 PM

Daroost19732 wrote:
From: (Kevin)


(Rooster) wrote in message
.com...
(CEO) wrote in message
.com...
You don't mention whether your receiver or dvd player ACTUALLY DECODES
DD DTS.

Sorry, you're right. I should have been more clear about certain
things. The receiver in question is a Kenwood VR-6050. It does decode
both DD and DTS and is connected by TOSLINK.

Hmmm! You have a receiver which doesn't allow for increasing the
volume on the center channel, independent of the right and left

Yes, it does allow for independent volume adjustments for the center
channel. However, raising it all the way to +10 barely makes a
difference in many cases. I know it's not the speaker because I've had
three different center speakers and they all sounded pretty much the
same.

speakers? That sounds like a "stereo" receiver (or stereo setting),
which DOESN'T decode DD DTS. If so, that's a major part of your
dilemma.

Again, it is a DD/DTS receievr and I am using it in either DD or DTS
mode (Depending on the movie). Some movies, the center volume seems at
least adequate. On others, it seems really low or muffled in
comparison to the music and surround effects in all other speakers.


I, like others, suspect your equipment. I've used my DD/DTS 5.1
system with a center speaker and without (phantom center). In both
cases the dialog was loud, crisp and clear. Turning the center volume
way up in the reciever made the dialog too loud. We don't want you to
miss out on this. :-)


Hmmmm....that is as I thought it should be. I had expected the level control
for the center speaker to have much more of an affect than it actually does. I
would also suspect my equipment if I hadn't had the same issue with three
seperate receivers. First was a cheap Aiwa, then a moderately priced Yamaha and
now the Kenwood. The center speakers have been KLH (Not surprised it didn't
sound so hot) Then, I had a Yamaha center and now I'm using the Athena
Technologies AS-C1. I moved the center to the left channel and it sounded fine.



Is it perhaps something about the position of the center speaker? Test this by
sending the center channel info to the left or right speaker. If it sounds louder,
then you need to move your center speaker or do some room treatment.



Have you run a 5.1 setup test?


Yes, I've run the one on the Terminator 2 DVD and the test tones available on
my receiver. There is sound coming from all speakers but again, the sound from
the center is lower and can only be evened out by setting the center volume all
the way to +10. I've also played around with the speaker distance settings and
that helped a little.


I suspect this is a speaker placement issue, then.





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-S.


Kevin August 26th 03 04:07 PM

(Daroost19732) wrote in message ...
From:
(Kevin)
Hmmmm....that is as I thought it should be. I had expected the level control
for the center speaker to have much more of an affect than it actually does. I
would also suspect my equipment if I hadn't had the same issue with three
seperate receivers. First was a cheap Aiwa, then a moderately priced Yamaha and
now the Kenwood. The center speakers have been KLH (Not surprised it didn't
sound so hot) Then, I had a Yamaha center and now I'm using the Athena
Technologies AS-C1. I moved the center to the left channel and it sounded fine.


Seems you have tried different movie disks, receivers, speakers, and
even speaker cables. The only constant left is the DVD player.
Unless speaker placement or room acoustics are the culprit but it
doesn't seem likely from your descriptions. So i guess trying it out
with a new DVD player is the only test left to perform.

Or, better yet, go listen to someone else's system. Preferably a
friend who's set up their own system or if there's a high end
Audio/Video store near you (don't go to a BestBuy or anything) ask
them to demo a 5.1 DVD on one of their good setups. The salesguy will
most likely turn it way up to give you an "impressive" demo, but just
turn the volume back down yourself.

Just out of curiosity, how loud do you normally listen to your movies? My
receiver's volume control starts out at 92 (lowest) and goes to 1. I've found
that somewhere around 45 is about the loudest I want to go, without going deaf
in the louder parts of action flicks. Is it possible that I'm just not turning
the master volume up loud enough?


I'm not at home to look at my receiver volume dial but i don't think
i've ever gone past halfway. The wife doesn't like things too loud.
Sometimes i turn it up for fun and rumbles but that's usually during a
scene without dialog. I'd say i listen to movies very quietly
compared to most home theater enthusiasts and the dialog track comes
through just fine at low and high volumes.

Well, the entire 5.1 isn't bad, just the voices. I've even found that music
and sound effects coming from the center sound fine. It's almost as if the
speaking parts of the movies have been turned way down, leaving everything else
alone. I've only found a few films where everything sounds great. Off the top
of my head, Braveheart and Die Another Day.


Now i'm confusing myself. My center speaker has been out of comission
for a couple months and my techincal know-how seems to have gone into
hiding. When listening to a DD 5.1 movie, how much sound effect and
music should be coming through the center speaker? I always though,
but i've never actually tested this, that 90% of the sound from the
center speaker should be dialog only. With only a small amount of
sound effects/music being audible. If you're hearing a lot of music
or effect through the center speaker then maybe you're in Pro Logic
mode instead of digital 5.1? Of course i could be wrong. Anyone
else know?

Good luck. i don't know what else to suggest. Other than getting 5.1
(or maybe upgrade to 7.1 while you have the chance) direct neural
connections into the brain. I strongly suggest wireless if you go
this way. :-)

Kevin


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