I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

For those on here who go on about logos on TV channels in the UK and
Australia I'm currently in the USA and have a 'taste of the
future' and it is not looking good.

On most of the main channels here, not only do they have an on-screen
logos for the TV channel but there seems to be a preponderance of
advertising logos during the programmes themselves. In most shows I
have watched, both comedy programmes and films, after most breaks a
'commercial' for other programmes on the channel is shown in the
bottom corner of the screen, or over the whole of the bottom of the
screen during the programme itself! These can go on for about 30
seconds, and are very distracting.

I have seen such logos before, when watching cricket on TV in Asia (I
think it was India vs Pakistan), but at least in that case the adverts
were fairly non-intrusive (e.g. no sound and just in an infobar on the
bottom of the screen) and there were no commercial breaks. Here in the
USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and commercials in
the programmes themselves!

I wonder where it will stop? With an entire programme obscured by one
long set of commercials? No doubt we will suffer this here before
long too?

David

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

On 22 Oct 2005, Dave wrote

in-programme, on-screen adverts

I wonder where it will stop? With an entire programme obscured by
one long set of commercials? No doubt we will suffer this here
before long too?

Probably: I assume it's a ploy to try and stymie skipping adverts by
using Tivo and such-like.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

BeeJay wrote in :


Another complaint I have is at the end of a programme the credits will
be squashed up so as to be unreadable while an ad for a following prog
is shown.

That's a real bugger! I could murder ch 5 when they do it - always in the
high to middle cast list, which, if you're watching the credits, is prolly
the bit of credits you want to watch. Grrr, blood pressure rising.....

mike

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

"Dave" wrote in message
oups.com...

On most of the main channels here, not only do they have an on-screen
logos for the TV channel but there seems to be a preponderance of
advertising logos during the programmes themselves. In most shows I
have watched, both comedy programmes and films, after most breaks a
'commercial' for other programmes on the channel is shown in the
bottom corner of the screen, or over the whole of the bottom of the
screen during the programme itself! These can go on for about 30
seconds, and are very distracting.

Check this out from Indian cable tv:
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?a...pe=post&id=105

the scrolling ads NEVER stopped. Not even for a moment. Only on this one
channel tho.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

I have seen such logos before, when watching cricket on TV in Asia (I
think it was India vs Pakistan), but at least in that case the adverts
were fairly non-intrusive (e.g. no sound and just in an infobar on the
bottom of the screen) and there were no commercial breaks. Here in the
USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and commercials in
the programmes themselves!

I wonder where it will stop? With an entire programme obscured by one
long set of commercials? No doubt we will suffer this here before
long too?

David


Luckily the advertising in this country is regulated, so at the moment this
isn't possible - at least on the mainstream channels.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:41:42 +0100, BeeJay wrote:

Another complaint I have is at the end of a programme the credits will
be squashed up so as to be unreadable while an ad for a following prog
is shown.

The worst example of bad behaviour by a broadcaster I witnessed
recently was when watching (via Sky+) an episode of Huff aired on FX
several weeks ago. The episode ended on quite an emotional note, with
one character at the bedside of another, with subdued lighting and
soft piano music. A few milliseconds after the credits started, this
was replaced by a promo for Penn & Teller: Bull****! - bright white
room, loud drum sounds and an annoying voiceover...

Charlie

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Dave wrote:
Here in
the USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and commercials
in the programmes themselves!

I was amazed at how much advertising there was on US tv. Cable was sold in
Australia partly on the idea that it had less/no ads. Well, go to the US and
then think twice about shelling out for cable/pay tv!

--
ant

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

"ant" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
Here in
the USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and commercials
in the programmes themselves!

I was amazed at how much advertising there was on US tv. Cable was sold in
Australia partly on the idea that it had less/no ads. Well, go to the US
and then think twice about shelling out for cable/pay tv!

Some channels are ad free, like Showtime

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Kevin Hendrikssen wrote:
"ant" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
Here in
the USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and
commercials in the programmes themselves!

I was amazed at how much advertising there was on US tv. Cable was
sold in Australia partly on the idea that it had less/no ads. Well,
go to the US and then think twice about shelling out for cable/pay
tv!

Some channels are ad free, like Showtime

When you buy a cable service (or the Dish) in the US, you get a certain
parcel of channels. Then you start paying more as you select more channels.
Eventually, you get to the top of the tree, where you can have certain
channels after you've bought and paid for all the other ones. 2nd top is
HBO. Top: Showtime.
You've paid for an awful lot of extra channels to get there though.

--
ant

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"Dave" wrote in message
oups.com...

I wonder where it will stop? With an entire programme obscured by one
long set of commercials? No doubt we will suffer this here before
long too?

It'll stop when mugs start voting with their feet.

Remembering a while ago on this group and one or two posters said along the
lines of "Dogs don't both me,I'm watching the programme,nothing else".
So the type of advertising you mention is for those people who did'nt care
about it that much so the broadcasters pushed it still further!

Depending on how much PAY TV channels do this (Remember Sky does it and
charges the viewer to watch this crap on screen) Then I'd guess IF the ones
you mention are encrypted channels then it would never be subscribed to
here...Apart from some idiots who like seeing a bit of screen of their
programme they want to watch.

Needless to say children are already being programmed with seeing Dogs on TV
from an early age...You only need to see CITV or Cbeebies etc.
As they grow up, they'll think it quite normal to have all kinds of crap on
screen...Perhaps they're finding it too expensive to run TV channels now and
hoping to kill TV off totally (Certainly going the right about it anyway
IMHO)

T.W.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Dave wrote:
For those on here who go on about logos on TV channels in the UK and
Australia I'm currently in the USA and have a 'taste of the
future' and it is not looking good.

On most of the main channels here, not only do they have an on-screen
logos for the TV channel but there seems to be a preponderance of
advertising logos during the programmes themselves. In most shows I
have watched, both comedy programmes and films, after most breaks a
'commercial' for other programmes on the channel is shown in the
bottom corner of the screen, or over the whole of the bottom of the
screen during the programme itself! These can go on for about 30
seconds, and are very distracting.

I have seen such logos before, when watching cricket on TV in Asia (I
think it was India vs Pakistan), but at least in that case the adverts
were fairly non-intrusive (e.g. no sound and just in an infobar on the
bottom of the screen) and there were no commercial breaks. Here in the
USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and commercials in
the programmes themselves!

I wonder where it will stop? With an entire programme obscured by one
long set of commercials? No doubt we will suffer this here before
long too?

David

Me thinks that there will be a direct correlation between the number of
households with PVRs that allow ad skipping and the number of intrusive
scrolling ads etc.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Luckily the advertising in this country is regulated, so at the moment
this
isn't possible - at least on the mainstream channels.

But then programme sponsorship never used to be allowed until the commercial
operators put pressure on the regulators to change that.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

"

Some channels are ad free, like Showtime

And, of course, the BBC.


mike

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Dave wrote:
For those on here who go on about logos on TV channels in the UK and
Australia I'm currently in the USA and have a 'taste of the
future' and it is not looking good.

On most of the main channels here, not only do they have an on-screen
logos for the TV channel but there seems to be a preponderance of
advertising logos during the programmes themselves. In most shows I
have watched, both comedy programmes and films, after most breaks a
'commercial' for other programmes on the channel is shown in the
bottom corner of the screen, or over the whole of the bottom of the
screen during the programme itself! These can go on for about 30
seconds, and are very distracting.

I have seen such logos before, when watching cricket on TV in Asia (I
think it was India vs Pakistan), but at least in that case the adverts
were fairly non-intrusive (e.g. no sound and just in an infobar on the
bottom of the screen) and there were no commercial breaks. Here in the
USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and commercials in
the programmes themselves!

I wonder where it will stop? With an entire programme obscured by one
long set of commercials? No doubt we will suffer this here before
long too?

David

It'll stop pretty quickly for me. Once that happens I shan't bother
watching TV any more. There's bugger-all on worth watching now. Lump in
DOGs and coming next overlays and so forth and it's enough (for me) to
want to junk the whole deal. I've got plenty of DVDs to keep me busy.
That said, even DVDs have advertising junk stuck on to them, sometimes
anything up to ten minutes worth.

Grrrrr.


Clem

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

That said, even DVDs have advertising junk stuck on to them, sometimes
anything up to ten minutes worth.

Ah, but there are ways round that ;-)

http://www.dvdshrink.org/what.html

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

In message , Simon Chambers
wrote

Luckily the advertising in this country is regulated, so at the moment this
isn't possible - at least on the mainstream channels.


It hasn't stopped intrusive DOGs from appearing on the screen.

Did it stop TUTV placing banner advertising on Ch5? The advertising may
not have been broadcast as part of the program content but it was seen
on screen by many people watching CH5.
--
Alan

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

In message , mike ring
wrote
"

Some channels are ad free, like Showtime

And, of course, the BBC.

There are more advertisements on the BBC in the UK than on some of the
'commercial' channels.

--
Alan

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

DB wrote:
That said, even DVDs have advertising junk stuck on to them, sometimes
anything up to ten minutes worth.


Ah, but there are ways round that ;-)

http://www.dvdshrink.org/what.html



Yeah true, but why should have to go to the trouble to rip my DVDs just
to skip ads.? These should be optional, not mandatory, FFS.


Clem

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Really? Can you give an example of a commercial channel that has less
advertising than BBC1 in the UK?

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Although BBC America has commercials and the annoying logo ads in the
programmes ;-( Interestingly enough it seems to show lots of ITV shows
like Footballers Wive$ and Mile High. I thought American's had more
taste!

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Yeah true, but why should have to go to the trouble to rip my DVDs just to
skip ads.? These should be optional, not mandatory, FFS.

True but, unlike the examples being talked of in this thread, you do at
least have some option. If they started burning ads over the top of the main
programme on the DVD then that would be a different matter.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

"Dave" wrote in message
ps.com...
Really? Can you give an example of a commercial channel that has less
advertising than BBC1 in the UK?

'Five' in the early hours of the morning has no ads at all.

--
Max Demian

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

mike ring wrote in
. 1.4:

"

Some channels are ad free, like Showtime

And, of course, the BBC.



Well, that went well.

It was the sardonic comment of a disgusted ex-employee

I thought you folks knew me better than to think otherwise

sigh

mike

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

Dave wrote:
For those on here who go on about logos on TV channels in the UK and
Australia I'm currently in the USA and have a 'taste of the
future' and it is not looking good.

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have disparaged?

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote in message
oups.com...
Dave wrote:
For those on here who go on about logos on TV channels in the UK and
Australia I'm currently in the USA and have a 'taste of the
future' and it is not looking good.

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

I think the most annoying is when they put up things under the Logo like
*Starting next week* and other graffitti :-(

( I thought you'd have guessed when I mentioned in my post the fact children
are being programmed into expecting a DOG all the time onscreen thanks to
CITV,Cbeebies and so on)

Strange these dogs only arrived as Satellite TV came about,So we know who to
blame..O-K it was originally intended to *let the viewer know which channel
they were on* but in these days of EPG's, There's certainly no need for them
anymore.
Add to that the voice-over jerk who can't wait to start talking over end
credits about what's coming on next and the fancy graphics guy doing the
split screen,All amounts to third rate TV

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

The Wizard wrote:
"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote in message
oups.com...
Dave wrote:
For those on here who go on about logos on TV channels in the UK and
Australia I'm currently in the USA and have a 'taste of the
future' and it is not looking good.

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

I think the most annoying is when they put up things under the Logo like
*Starting next week* and other graffitti :-(

You just mean the ordinary watermark style channel logo that's on
constantly? Do you have the animated logos over there yet?

Seven network here have this great new animated monstrosity: instead of
just a glassy, see-through 7 in a circle, they have a red and white
animated cartoon TV set, showing the 7 on its screen, JUMPING UP AND
DOWN and waving its arms to get your attention. Jumps around for about
30 seconds before it changes to the usual watermark.

It comes on after ad breaks (along with a banner advertising Desperate
Housewives or Lost, that together cover the bottom quarter of the
screen) but also comes on without warning during dramatic climaxes -
right at the moment someone gets shot, usually.

Do you get that sort of nonsense on UK TV?

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn'tgood)
 

Wolfgang Wildeblood wrote:

The Wizard wrote:
"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote in message
oups.com...
Dave wrote:
For those on here who go on about logos on TV channels in the UK and
Australia I'm currently in the USA and have a 'taste of the
future' and it is not looking good.

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

I think the most annoying is when they put up things under the Logo like
*Starting next week* and other graffitti :-(

You just mean the ordinary watermark style channel logo that's on
constantly? Do you have the animated logos over there yet?

Seven network here have this great new animated monstrosity: instead of
just a glassy, see-through 7 in a circle, they have a red and white
animated cartoon TV set, showing the 7 on its screen, JUMPING UP AND
DOWN and waving its arms to get your attention. Jumps around for about
30 seconds before it changes to the usual watermark.

It comes on after ad breaks (along with a banner advertising Desperate
Housewives or Lost, that together cover the bottom quarter of the
screen) but also comes on without warning during dramatic climaxes -
right at the moment someone gets shot, usually.

Do you get that sort of nonsense on UK TV?

heh, I was ****ed off last night because I was filming the Italian Job
on BBC3 and didn't know they're testing a new thing called 'catch up'
so half way through my pristine copy of this old gem I now have a
small but colourful icon for this catch up in the top right corner. It
looks, against a classic movie like this, incongruous and far too eye
catching.

The Dysney channel don't need theirs to jump around. You have a
transparent Mickey's head which fills the lower left quarter of the
screen and a big f*off red button with PRESS HERE!!!! or something
attached to it taking the top left up. You can miss action behind
those two! :O)

--
Paul (Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

You just mean the ordinary watermark style channel logo that's on
constantly? Do you have the animated logos over there yet?

Yes, and not yet. Stands for Digital Onscreen Graphic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_On-screen_Graphic

If you don't have a term for them like the UK's "DOG" or the US's "bug"
in Australia, then maybe it's time you had one that suitably captured
their essence. I suggest "Station Hallmark Insignia Token" or "Picture
Imprint Screen Symbol".

--
Dave Farrance

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

"Dave Farrance" wrote in message
...
"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have
disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

You just mean the ordinary watermark style channel logo that's on
constantly? Do you have the animated logos over there yet?

Yes, and not yet. Stands for Digital Onscreen Graphic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_On-screen_Graphic

If you don't have a term for them like the UK's "DOG" or the US's "bug"
in Australia, then maybe it's time you had one that suitably captured
their essence. I suggest "Station Hallmark Insignia Token" or "Picture
Imprint Screen Symbol".

**** and ****?? Surely that's the stuff showing UNDER the dogs? ;-)

Speaking of animated dogs, I remember the complaints over the spinning
doughnut on Sky One (something to do with the Simpletons)

Was'nt there a site that showed some of the most annoying on screen
graffitti though for the OP to check out?
LogofreeTV I think?

T.W.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

Luckily the advertising in this country is regulated, so at the moment
this
isn't possible - at least on the mainstream channels.

But then programme sponsorship never used to be allowed until the
commercial
operators put pressure on the regulators to change that.

Can someone explain the difference between Leerdammer paying for
advertisements
& paying for sponsorship of 'Midsomer Murders'?

Well it used to be the case that programmes couldn't, in any way whatsoever,
however tenuous, be linked to any company that is advertising a product.
There had to be a clear signpost where one ended and the other began. With
programme sponsorship, this is no longer the case as the sponsorship is
quite clearly linked to the programme. There are still limitations of what
can and can't be done with sponsorship. For example, religious, news and
current affairs programmes can't be sponsored, and there is a restriction on
duration.

Incidently, I wasn't saying that I necessarily object to sponsorship in this
form but that the rules were changed, after pressure from the broadcasters,
to allow it. There's no reason to suppose that sponsorship within programmes
couldn't, one day, also be allowed.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

current affairs programmes can't be sponsored
So that "A Current Affair is sponsored by Nissan" stuff is illegal?
And if it is, how come Nine can get away with it.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:30:33 +0100, "DB" wrote:


Luckily the advertising in this country is regulated, so at the moment
this
isn't possible - at least on the mainstream channels.

But then programme sponsorship never used to be allowed until the commercial
operators put pressure on the regulators to change that.

Can someone explain the difference between Leerdammer paying for advertisements
& paying for sponsorship of 'Midsomer Murders'?

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:12:27 GMT, Edster wrote:

"ant" wrote in message

Dave wrote:
Here in
the USA, the main channels have loads of commercials, and commercials
in the programmes themselves!

I was amazed at how much advertising there was on US tv. Cable was sold in
Australia partly on the idea that it had less/no ads. Well, go to the US and
then think twice about shelling out for cable/pay tv!

Has there been an increase in the amount of advertising on US TV? I'm
sure 1 hour shows used to last for 45 minutes without ads, now they
only last for 42 minutes.

I watched some old 'Smother Brothers' & 'Johnny Carson' shows my pal recorded in
the 60s & there was far less advertising, just 4 breaks per hour & no more than
currently on ITV.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

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Jonathan Wilson wrote:
current affairs programmes can't be sponsored
So that "A Current Affair is sponsored by Nissan" stuff is illegal?
And if it is, how come Nine can get away with it.

This is a cross-posted thread, and I think you've just replied to a
discussion of the situation in the UK. Our UK correspondents have
presumably never had the pleasure of making Uncle Ray's acquaintance.

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

current affairs programmes can't be sponsored
So that "A Current Affair is sponsored by Nissan" stuff is illegal?

It would be in the UK.

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

Dave Farrance wrote:
"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

You just mean the ordinary watermark style channel logo that's on
constantly? Do you have the animated logos over there yet?

Yes, and not yet.

Poor, deprived Pommies :-) I found a small picture of Seven's new logo
I was complaining about - imagine this guy in the corner of the screen,
jumping up and down, waving his arms at you:

http://www1.50years.tv/current/commo...lt/1000_45.jpg

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:25:41 GMT, Dave Farrance
wrote:

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

You just mean the ordinary watermark style channel logo that's on
constantly? Do you have the animated logos over there yet?

Yes, and not yet. Stands for Digital Onscreen Graphic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_On-screen_Graphic

Digitally Originated Graphics is the correct term.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:25:41 GMT, Dave Farrance
wrote:

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:

We don't often get British newsgroups cross-posted into aus.tv so I
need to ask, what are these "DOGs" that several of you have
disparaged?

Logos Such as Sky One, UK Gold etc.

You just mean the ordinary watermark style channel logo that's on
constantly? Do you have the animated logos over there yet?

Yes, and not yet. Stands for Digital Onscreen Graphic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_On-screen_Graphic

Digitally Originated Graphics is the correct term.

You'd better correct the wiki then.

--
Max Demian

What's a "DOG"? (was: I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good)
 

Nigel Barker wrote:

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:25:41 GMT, Dave Farrance wrote:
... Stands for Digital Onscreen Graphic. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_On-screen_Graphic

Digitally Originated Graphics is the correct term.

Oh. I've added a note to that page. Somebody else can sort out how it
fits in.

--
Dave Farrance

I've seen the future of TV logos and it isn't good
 

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:20:17 +0100, Alan
wrote:

Did it stop TUTV placing banner advertising on Ch5? The advertising may
not have been broadcast as part of the program content but it was seen
on screen by many people watching CH5.

It didn't stop them, but C5 did get spanked for doing so, so it's
unlikely they'll do it again.