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Freesat from Sky
Just wondered if anyone at all had ordered this. It seems like a
deliberate rip-off. £150 for freesat, which doesn't even give more4, or free Sky installation, plus 3 months at £7.50, and then 9 @ £15, with 2 of their mixes, total cost £157.50, after which you are free to cancel. Has anyone actually ordered the £150 offer, as it doesn't look at all attractive. |
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On 21 Oct 2005 04:01:50 -0700, wrote:
| Just wondered if anyone at all had ordered this. It seems like a | deliberate rip-off. | | £150 for freesat, which doesn't even give more4, or free Sky | installation, plus 3 months at £7.50, and then 9 @ £15, with 2 of | their mixes, total cost £157.50, after which you are free to cancel. | | Has anyone actually ordered the £150 offer, as it doesn't look at all | attractive. You do not have to pay GBP150 to get freesatfromsky you need only spend GBP20 see sig. Next year BBC and ITV will launch a *real* freesat http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/4221722.stm This will work off generic STB and dish. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Sat ITV, Ch4, Ch5, only GBP20 http://www.freesatfromsky.com - "what is freesat?" - "view T&C" - What will I receive "£20 ... one Viewing Card". You will also need $ky box and dish. List of Channels at http://www.wickonline.com/fta.htm |
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"Freesat"?
Sky are canny, they have an effective monopoly, and "pitch" prices at whatever they believe will maximise revenue. Most people can't self-install, and even buying 2nd hand equipment often might not leave too much change from £150, after getting a card for ITV (and of course, in some places satellite is the only viable tv reception system!). After which, once you've got a receiver and card, it's so easy to upgrade to subscription channels, just needs a phone call ......... As Dave Fawthrop says, ITV wil be going actually free to air (unencrypted), then there should be some competition, forcing prices down. Unfortunately, good tv progs cost money to make, and that's why we should properly fund public service broadcasting, despite this being a "tax". |
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spiney wrote:
"Freesat"? Sky are canny, they have an effective monopoly, and "pitch" prices at whatever they believe will maximise revenue. Quite. Their is a perception in the UK that satellite TV = Sky and only Sky. There are more satellites receivable in the UK than the Astra 2 cluster that Sky use. Most people can't self-install, and even buying 2nd hand equipment often might not leave too much change from £150, after getting a card for ITV (and of course, in some places satellite is the only viable tv reception system!). Really? With kits like these http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...=1&doy=21 m10 and those sold by Lidl is slowly dispelling the myths that DIY isn't an option and the only route is Sky. After which, once you've got a receiver and card, it's so easy to upgrade to subscription channels, just needs a phone call ......... If you haven't already fallen for the sales pitch and committed yourself to £500 a year in subs :-( As Dave Fawthrop says, ITV wil be going actually free to air (unencrypted), then there should be some competition, forcing prices down. Which is good for everyone except Sky. Unfortunately, good tv progs cost money to make, and that's why we should properly fund public service broadcasting, despite this being a "tax". |
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Minty wrote: Quite. Their is a perception in the UK that satellite TV = Sky and only Sky. There are more satellites receivable in the UK than the Astra 2 cluster that Sky use. Most people can't self-install ..... Really? With kits like these http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...=1&doy=21 m10 and those sold by Lidl is slowly dispelling the myths that DIY isn't an option and the only route is Sky. After which ... If you haven't already fallen for the sales pitch and committed yourself to £500 a year in subs :-( As Dave Fawthrop says, ... Which is good for everyone except Sky. Yes, Minty, agreed. The Lidl receivers/kits are unbelievably good value, and (of course) will get ITV after it starts non-encrypted satellite broadcasting. However, note that Sky's version of BBCi can't be got on such receivers (special software). Minidishes are cheap, and used Sky digiboxes too, but new digiboxes cost more than "Freesat" (due to Sky's installer subsidy). |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote: On 21 Oct 2005 04:01:50 -0700, wrote: | Just wondered if anyone at all had ordered this. It seems like a | deliberate rip-off. | | £150 for freesat, which doesn't even give more4, or free Sky | installation, plus 3 months at £7.50, and then 9 @ £15, with 2 of | their mixes, total cost £157.50, after which you are free to cancel. | | Has anyone actually ordered the £150 offer, as it doesn't look at all | attractive. You do not have to pay GBP150 to get freesatfromsky you need only spend GBP20 see sig. Well that's clearly not true. £20 gets you a card, which you still need to stick in a skybox, which needs to be connected to a satellite dish. These are not free. Here's an alternative option from Maplin (£130). http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...305&doy=21m10D The text obviously wasn't read before being cut and pasted on the site: Free to Air Digital Satellite Kit Includes Satellite dish, receiver, and LNB PLUG AND PLAY, No Subscriptions, No Cards, No Hassle DIY instructions and National Install Hotline included* (* Note Installation quotes available from National qualified and insured company) do this in small letters at bottom end somewhere! Complete list of Digital channels available for multi languages Receive BBC1, BBC2, ITV News, ITV3 etc. Coming soon early 2006 - ITV1 &ITV2 |
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I believe there's currently a Sky CAM, which will accept Sky cards in CI slot satellite receivers. I think you believe wrong |
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John Patrick wrote: I believe there's currently a Sky CAM, which will accept Sky cards in CI slot satellite receivers. I think you believe wrong Sky haven't officially authorised this, and it probably doesn't work reliably, but see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videoguard . |
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John Patrick wrote:
I believe there's currently a Sky CAM, which will accept Sky cards in CI slot satellite receivers. I think you believe wrong No, he's right, it's called the Dragon Cam. |
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"Adrian" wrote in message om... John Patrick wrote: I believe there's currently a Sky CAM, which will accept Sky cards in CI slot satellite receivers. I think you believe wrong No, he's right, it's called the Dragon Cam. I think the latest firmware has removed the NDS bit. |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:00:00 +0100, "Adrian" wrote:
John Patrick wrote: I believe there's currently a Sky CAM, which will accept Sky cards in CI slot satellite receivers. I think you believe wrong No, he's right, it's called the Dragon Cam. Being a long term Sky Digital subscriber I'm a bit dopey when it comes to the rest of the satellite market, so please bear with me.... I have a home built Windows Media Center PC which records from my Sky digibox using a Scart-composite video connection into my analogue capture card. Obviously my recorded picture quality is not as good as a direct RGB connection from the digibox to the TV. But, if I bought a DVB-S card for my PC and stuck in a Dragon Cam and my Sky card into that, am I likely to see anything useful and be able to record the original MPEG2 data without any extra wires or signal conversion? Is there a good site I can view to see which channels I might get, if the encypted (or all) Sky digital channels will not be available? If the CAM and Sky card won't get me Sky channels is there any point in getting the CAM at all. My viewing interests are mainstream English speaking entertainment (comedy, dramas, documentaries, sci--fi and films) - not sport or foreign stuff. I understand MCE is not compatible with DVB-S cards but I'm quite happy to run something else on Win XP if I can get much improved picture quality and more reliable channel changing (no more IR blaster etc.). Thanks, Tim. -- To save on your shopping click here - http://www.rpoints.com/?ruid=44653 To sign up with PlusNet click here - http://tinyurl.com/b9wqs |
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"Ad C" wrote in message ... In article . com, says... Unfortunately, good tv progs cost money to make, and that's why we should properly fund public service broadcasting, despite this being a "tax". It is just a shame we don't get good programmes for the money then. We might if they forgot about the phoney 'ratings war', leave the dross and crap to the commercial sector... |
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Tiny Tim wrote:
But, if I bought a DVB-S card for my PC and stuck in a Dragon Cam and my Sky card into that, am I likely to see anything useful and be able to record the original MPEG2 data without any extra wires or signal conversion? Currently you can. There is absolutely no guarantee that this will work tomorrow though. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/7rm2m UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:26:21 +0200, Jomtien wrote:
Tiny Tim wrote: But, if I bought a DVB-S card for my PC and stuck in a Dragon Cam and my Sky card into that, am I likely to see anything useful and be able to record the original MPEG2 data without any extra wires or signal conversion? Currently you can. There is absolutely no guarantee that this will work tomorrow though. Sounds almost tempting enough to give it a go. Can you recommend a site with a bit more info about this sort of setup? If Sky did do some fiddling what might I end up still being able to view - a bunch of foreign junk only, FTA/FTV or just FTV stuff? I think the DVB-S card and CAM will cost over £120 so I don't want to spend that just for an "experiment". -- To save on your shopping click here - http://www.rpoints.com/?ruid=44653 To sign up with PlusNet click here - http://tinyurl.com/b9wqs |
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"Noel" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:07:02 +0100, ":::Jerry::::" wrote: We might if they forgot about the phoney 'ratings war', leave the dross and crap to the commercial sector... Until then, why should the TV owning public be expected to subsidise the production of such dross and crap (inevitably yet another 'reality' programme) through the payment of an annual TV Tax? Why shouldn't we though, at least with true publicly funded PBS there is a chance that things will change... It's only because of the 'rating war' that we are in this situation, I also suspect that we are also starting to come out of that rut, remember that it takes time for new programmes to come on air. |
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"Ad C" wrote in message k... In article s.net, LID says... Why shouldn't we though, at least with true publicly funded PBS there is a chance that things will change... It's only because of the 'rating war' that we are in this situation, I also suspect that we are also starting to come out of that rut, remember that it takes time for new programmes to come on air. Nothing have chnaged in the last 15 years, so it is certainly is going to change now. The BBc knows it got a licence to waste money and waste they do. Change your record and take your head out of your rear end FFS. Or are you just one of those who morn the passing of 'Dusty Bin'?... |
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"Ad C" wrote in message k... In article s.net, LID says... It is just a shame we don't get good programmes for the money then. We might if they forgot about the phoney 'ratings war', leave the dross and crap to the commercial sector... I agree and stop wasting money on stupid things. Maybe they should stop employing so many people that do n nothing all day Do tell more, just who are these workless people and were are they employed?... |
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Tiny Tim wrote:
Can you recommend a site with a bit more info about this sort of setup? A search for Dragon Cam should provide the info needed. It's not something I follow myself. If Sky did do some fiddling what might I end up still being able to view - a bunch of foreign junk only, FTA/FTV or just FTV stuff? If Sky cared to alter their encryption technique slightly you would probably no longer be able to receive any UK encrypted channels. UK FTA would not be affected. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/7rm2m UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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"spiney" wrote in message ups.com... "Freesat"? Sky are canny, they have an effective monopoly, and "pitch" prices at whatever they believe will maximise revenue. Why is pitch in inverted commas? What you describe is true of firms which seek to maximise revenues. Some others attempt to maximise profits, or maximise sales volumes. Most people can't self-install, and even buying 2nd hand equipment often might not leave too much change from £150, after getting a card for ITV (and of course, in some places satellite is the only viable tv reception system!). After which, once you've got a receiver and card, it's so easy to upgrade to subscription channels, just needs a phone call ......... As Dave Fawthrop says, ITV wil be going actually free to air (unencrypted), then there should be some competition, forcing prices down. Unfortunately, good tv progs cost money to make, and that's why we should properly fund public service broadcasting, despite this being a "tax". No, it does follow that PSB needs taxpayer's money for TV to have good programmes. Advertising and subscriptions are better alternatives than do not force people to fund PSB. -- MESSAGE ENDS. John Porcella |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:12:31 +0200, Jomtien wrote:
Tiny Tim wrote: Can you recommend a site with a bit more info about this sort of setup? A search for Dragon Cam should provide the info needed. It's not something I follow myself. OK, thanks. If Sky did do some fiddling what might I end up still being able to view - a bunch of foreign junk only, FTA/FTV or just FTV stuff? If Sky cared to alter their encryption technique slightly you would probably no longer be able to receive any UK encrypted channels. UK FTA would not be affected. But is the decoding algorithm taken care of by the hardware or the card? I don't mind continuing to pay my Sky subscription - I just want to go straight from the MPEG data stream to disk without loads of analogue conversions in between. If the encryption changes would another card get me out of any hole or would I be looking for new hardware? Thanks, Tim. -- To save on your shopping click here - http://www.rpoints.com/?ruid=44653 To sign up with PlusNet click here - http://tinyurl.com/b9wqs |
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Reading around your grammar Not my grammar, but the grammar of English. (I take it English is not your first language), You 'take' it wrongly. you fail to offer any arguments as to why subscription is better than direct funding. Stating something does not make it so. Correct! Subscription is better, as I wrote, since it does not force payments of taxes by those not interested in that TV channel. A subscription service is the complete opposite to PSB. So? Regarding advertising, that by definition means ratings, ratings and ratings. I know, and rightly so. -- MESSAGE ENDS. John Porcella |
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"John Porcella" wrote in message ... Correct! Subscription is better, as I wrote, since it does not force payments of taxes by those not interested in that TV channel. I would'nt say so looking at Sky's packages.... Suppose people don't want Sky One and want UK Gold or vice-versa, We still end up paying for both. Actually, you could say ALL Sky subscriptions are taxes due to the fact the channels advertise to make their income (and this is third rate programming with DOGS, Red dots,*Coming soon* etc) Always Add to Sky Advert Sky, What do you want to watch? "Something without Dogs,Adverts and on-screen Graffitti" and err I bet they could'nt offer that :-/ |
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Tiny Tim wrote:
If Sky cared to alter their encryption technique slightly you would probably no longer be able to receive any UK encrypted channels. UK FTA would not be affected. But is the decoding algorithm taken care of by the hardware or the card? I don't mind continuing to pay my Sky subscription - ...... If the encryption changes would another card get me out of any hole or would I be looking for new hardware? Dragon Cams only emulate the decryption module in a Sky box: they still need an official card. Such a card will always be valid but if Sky choose to make some alteration to the decryption process your unofficial CAM could stop working with the card (this would have no effect at all on regular Sky digibox users). The makers of these CAMs have already stated that they will not necessarily update the firmware to counter such changes. I just want to go straight from the MPEG data stream to disk without loads of analogue conversions in between. Sky's most likely reason for wanting to disable these CAMs would be to prevent precisely that. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/7rm2m UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/ Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:18:35 +0200, Jomtien wrote:
Tiny Tim wrote: If Sky cared to alter their encryption technique slightly you would probably no longer be able to receive any UK encrypted channels. UK FTA would not be affected. But is the decoding algorithm taken care of by the hardware or the card? I don't mind continuing to pay my Sky subscription - ...... If the encryption changes would another card get me out of any hole or would I be looking for new hardware? Dragon Cams only emulate the decryption module in a Sky box: they still need an official card. Such a card will always be valid but if Sky choose to make some alteration to the decryption process your unofficial CAM could stop working with the card (this would have no effect at all on regular Sky digibox users). The makers of these CAMs have already stated that they will not necessarily update the firmware to counter such changes. I just want to go straight from the MPEG data stream to disk without loads of analogue conversions in between. Sky's most likely reason for wanting to disable these CAMs would be to prevent precisely that. Thanks for the replies, Jomtien. It's certainly something to think about. I am very tempted to take a chance and go for this setup. -- To save on your shopping click here - http://www.rpoints.com/?ruid=44653 To sign up with PlusNet click here - http://tinyurl.com/b9wqs |
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