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Channel numbers
Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? I'm particularly surprised that a new channel like More4 will have four different numbers (165, 166, 142 and 13). Could they not find a three-digit number that was unused on all four networks, and maybe had some fours in it? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and
Telewest? What is it the French say? Viva Le Difference! -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
"John Rowland" wrote in message ... Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? I'm particularly surprised that a new channel like More4 will have four different numbers (165, 166, 142 and 13). Could they not find a three-digit number that was unused on all four networks, and maybe had some fours in it? Channel numbers are assigned as channels join each platform. They all join at different times. 165 and 166 on sky for more4 and +1 makes perfect sense as it puts them directly after E4 and E4+1. I assume 13 on freeview puts it after E4 too. |
John Rowland wrote:
Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? I'm particularly surprised that a new channel like More4 will have four different numbers (165, 166, 142 and 13). Could they not find a three-digit number that was unused on all four networks, and maybe had some fours in it? http://www.channel4.com/more4/ Umm, it says "Free To Air" on D-Sat, I wonder if they really mean that ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
Mark Carver wrote:
http://www.channel4.com/more4/ Umm, it says "Free To Air" on D-Sat, I wonder if they really mean that ? Why wouldn't they? They know "Freesat" is coming. They know the BBC is FTA. They know ITV3 is FTA. They're not stupid. INDUSTRIAL. |
Industrial wrote:
Mark Carver wrote: http://www.channel4.com/more4/ Umm, it says "Free To Air" on D-Sat, I wonder if they really mean that ? Why wouldn't they? They know "Freesat" is coming. They know the BBC is FTA. They know ITV3 is FTA. They're not stupid. INDUSTRIAL. Well they managed to foul up the cricket on Film 4 this year, that should have been FTV but was 'subs only' most days. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
... John Rowland wrote: Could they not find a three-digit number that was unused on all four networks, and maybe had some fours in it? http://www.channel4.com/more4/ "EPG position 13 (except in Wales where it will be on 35 from 10 - 17 October, then EPG position 13 from 18 October)." LOL. What a cock up. It seems like channel 35 is vacant on Freeview - I wonder why they didn't just put it on 35 nationally and leave it there? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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08:40:36 on Tue, 27 Sep 2005, steeler remarked: I assume 13 on freeview puts it after E4 too. No, E4's channel 14 on Freeview. (and E4+1 is channel 39!) -- Roland Perry |
John Rowland wrote: Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? I'm particularly surprised that a new channel like More4 will have four different numbers (165, 166, 142 and 13). Could they not find a three-digit number that was unused on all four networks, and maybe had some fours in it? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes Both your message and your sig suggest that you yearn for a perfect world. Alas, there isn't one. The chances of the broadcasters making an agreement like that are about the same as the chances of my cats sharing their food in an amicable and socialistic manner. And yes, my vehicle is a symbol of my manhood. It is very old, nowhere near big enough, and won't start when I need it urgently. Ohh, and there's a water leak . . . Ahh, but when it was newer it used to get me into some scrapes I can tell you! I used to boast I could get it anywhere. Bill |
"Roland Perry" wrote in message .uk... In message , at 08:40:36 on Tue, 27 Sep 2005, steeler remarked: I assume 13 on freeview puts it after E4 too. No, E4's channel 14 on Freeview. (and E4+1 is channel 39!) -- Roland Perry hmm, okay 13 and 14 is not bad - but +1 @ 39 is just plain silly. They would be better having E4 and E4+1 at 13 and 14 and more4 at 39 |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Industrial wrote: Mark Carver wrote: http://www.channel4.com/more4/ Umm, it says "Free To Air" on D-Sat, I wonder if they really mean that ? Why wouldn't they? They know "Freesat" is coming. They know the BBC is FTA. They know ITV3 is FTA. They're not stupid. INDUSTRIAL. Well they managed to foul up the cricket on Film 4 this year, that should have been FTV but was 'subs only' most days. Flim4 and E4 have existing deals with Sky. Just like when film4 is having a free weekend you can only watch if you are a sky subscriber. |
steeler wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message Well they managed to foul up the cricket on Film 4 this year, that should have been FTV but was 'subs only' most days. Flim4 and E4 have existing deals with Sky. Just like when film4 is having a free weekend you can only watch if you are a sky subscriber. No, in previous years Film 4 has gone FTV while it showed Cricket, i.e. the same encryption level as C4 itself. I agree, during promotional weekends F4 is often 'free' to all Sky subscribers, that is *not* FTV however. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:49:46 +0100, "steeler"
wrote: "Roland Perry" wrote in message o.uk... In message , at 08:40:36 on Tue, 27 Sep 2005, steeler remarked: I assume 13 on freeview puts it after E4 too. No, E4's channel 14 on Freeview. (and E4+1 is channel 39!) -- Roland Perry hmm, okay 13 and 14 is not bad - but +1 @ 39 is just plain silly. They would be better having E4 and E4+1 at 13 and 14 and more4 at 39 I think E4+1 will disappear from Freeview when 4 More starts. -- Dave Sheffield, England, UK http://www.gnudawn.co.uk/ |
Dave wrote:
I think E4+1 will disappear from Freeview when 4 More starts. That's what I thought, but More4 and E4+1 are on different muxes, M4 is on Mux 2, E4+1 on Mux C, so it looks as if both will exist ? http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/dtt_channels.html -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
John Rowland wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... John Rowland wrote: Could they not find a three-digit number that was unused on all four networks, and maybe had some fours in it? http://www.channel4.com/more4/ "EPG position 13 (except in Wales where it will be on 35 from 10 - 17 October, then EPG position 13 from 18 October)." LOL. What a cock up. It seems like channel 35 is vacant on Freeview - I wonder why they didn't just put it on 35 nationally and leave it there? There's going to be a shuffle of the EPG positions on 18th October. Channel 13 is currently occupied by S4C2, which will be moving to 86. Once S4C2 is out of the way, More4 can move nationwide to 13, which has the advantage of (a) being a lower number, (b) next to E4 on 14 Full details on the changes he http://www.sbmedia.netfirms.com/free...x_page0003.htm |
John Rowland wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... John Rowland wrote: Could they not find a three-digit number that was unused on all four networks, and maybe had some fours in it? http://www.channel4.com/more4/ "EPG position 13 (except in Wales where it will be on 35 from 10 - 17 October, then EPG position 13 from 18 October)." LOL. What a cock up. It seems like channel 35 is vacant on Freeview - I wonder why they didn't just put it on 35 nationally and leave it there? There's going to be a shuffle of the EPG positions on 18th October. Channel 13 is currently occupied by S4C2, which will be moving to 86. Once S4C2 is out of the way, More4 can move nationwide to 13, which has the advantage of (a) being a lower number, (b) next to E4 on 14 Full details on the changes he http://www.sbmedia.netfirms.com/free...x_page0003.htm |
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:47:28 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: Dave wrote: I think E4+1 will disappear from Freeview when 4 More starts. That's what I thought, but More4 and E4+1 are on different muxes, M4 is on Mux 2, E4+1 on Mux C, so it looks as if both will exist ? http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/dtt_channels.html It certainly looks like it. -- Dave Sheffield, England, UK http://www.gnudawn.co.uk/ |
"Graham" wrote in message ...
Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? What is it the French say? Viva Le Difference! C'est Vive LA Difference, actuellement! |
Stephen wrote:
"Graham" wrote in message ... Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? What is it the French say? Viva Le Difference! C'est Vive LA Difference, actuellement! Er, that's "différence". Oh, and "actuellement" doesn't mean "actually". You got the gender right though :-) |
There's going to be a shuffle of the EPG positions on 18th October.
Channel 13 is currently occupied by S4C2, which will be moving to 86. Once S4C2 is out of the way, More4 can move nationwide to 13, which has the advantage of (a) being a lower number, (b) next to E4 on 14 Full details on the changes he http://www.sbmedia.netfirms.com/free...x_page0003.htm It's a nonsense that on Freeview ITV2 is Channel 6, and BBC3 is Channel 7 etc. One day they could rationalise Freeview in a different way, taking account of the fact that there are multiple channels from each broadcaster. Something like this perhaps: 11 BBC1 12 BBC2 13 BBC3 14 BBC4 15 BBC News 16 CBBC 17 CBeebies 18 BBCi 31 ITV1 32 ITV2 33 ITV3 34 ITV4 35 ITV News 36 CITV 41 Channel 4 42 E4 43 E4+1 44 More 4 45 Quiz Call (from Channel 4) 51 five 52 More five ? 53 ftn (shared ownership with five) 61 Sky One (you never know, they might do this) 62 Sky Two 63 Sky Three 64 Sky Four? 65 Sky News 66 Sky Sports News 71 MTV Hits 72 MTV 2 73 MTV Base 74 MTV Dance 75 TMF 76 The Hits 81 QVC 82 Ideal World 83 Bid-Up TV 84 Price Drop TV 85 another shopping channel 91 UK Gold 92 UK History 93 UK Documentary 94 UK Boring Ideas 101 Radio 1 102 Radio 2 103 Radio 3 104 Radio 4 105 Radio 5 106 Radio 6 107 Radio 7 111 Radio 1 Extra 114 Radio 4 Daily Service 115 Radio 5 Extra 901 Adult Channel 902 Television X 903 Red Hot 904 Spice Platinum |
"Dave Newt" wrote in message
... Stephen wrote: "Graham" wrote in message ... Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? What is it the French say? Viva Le Difference! C'est Vive LA Difference, actuellement! Er, that's "différence". Oh, and "actuellement" doesn't mean "actually". You got the gender right though :-) Zut alors! Il s'avère que je réellement ne comprends pas la langue Française après tous! |
Stephen wrote:
It's a nonsense that on Freeview ITV2 is Channel 6, and BBC3 is Channel 7 etc. One day they could rationalise Freeview in a different way, taking account of the fact that there are multiple channels from each broadcaster. Something like this perhaps: 11 BBC1 12 BBC2 13 BBC3 14 BBC4 15 BBC News 16 CBBC 17 CBeebies 18 BBCi 31 ITV1 32 ITV2 33 ITV3 ISTR that Ofcom dictate that BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV-1, C4, and Five have to have 'due prominence' on any UK EPG. Therefore they are always the first 5 slots in that order. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
Stephen wrote:
"Dave Newt" wrote in message ... Stephen wrote: "Graham" wrote in message ... Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? What is it the French say? Viva Le Difference! C'est Vive LA Difference, actuellement! Er, that's "différence". Oh, and "actuellement" doesn't mean "actually". You got the gender right though :-) Zut alors! Il s'avère que je réellement ne comprends pas la langue Française après tous! Hehe, "touché", as they say :-) |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
... Stephen wrote: It's a nonsense that on Freeview ITV2 is Channel 6, and BBC3 is Channel 7 etc. One day they could rationalise Freeview in a different way, taking account of the fact that there are multiple channels from each broadcaster. Something like this perhaps: 11 BBC1 12 BBC2 13 BBC3 14 BBC4 15 BBC News 16 CBBC 17 CBeebies 18 BBCi 31 ITV1 32 ITV2 33 ITV3 ISTR that Ofcom dictate that BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV-1, C4, and Five have to have 'due prominence' on any UK EPG. Therefore they are always the first 5 slots in that order. OK, so how about keeping to that for 1,2,3,4,5 but having two numbers for each of these channels in order to maintain a logical sequence in the multiple channel groups. For example you would access the same ITV1stream by pressing 3 or 31, and the same BBC1 stream by pressing 1 or 11. My idea is to have all the BBC channels starting with a 1, all the ITV channels starting with a 3, and all the Channel 4 channels starting with a 4 etc, and it would never look right if you had to have a gap at the start of each sequence of multiple channels. I wonder if it is possible to have two different channel numbers for the same stream though? |
In message
"Stephen" wrote: There's going to be a shuffle of the EPG positions on 18th October. Channel 13 is currently occupied by S4C2, which will be moving to 86. Once S4C2 is out of the way, More4 can move nationwide to 13, which has the advantage of (a) being a lower number, (b) next to E4 on 14 Full details on the changes he http://www.sbmedia.netfirms.com/free...x_page0003.htm It's a nonsense that on Freeview ITV2 is Channel 6, and BBC3 is Channel 7 etc. One day they could rationalise Freeview in a different way, taking account of the fact that there are multiple channels from each broadcaster. Something like this perhaps: 11 BBC1 12 BBC2 13 BBC3 14 BBC4 15 BBC News 16 CBBC 17 CBeebies 18 BBCi 31 ITV1 32 ITV2 33 ITV3 34 ITV4 35 ITV News 36 CITV 41 Channel 4 42 E4 43 E4+1 44 More 4 45 Quiz Call (from Channel 4) 51 five 52 More five ? 53 ftn (shared ownership with five) 61 Sky One (you never know, they might do this) 62 Sky Two 63 Sky Three 64 Sky Four? 65 Sky News 66 Sky Sports News 71 MTV Hits 72 MTV 2 73 MTV Base 74 MTV Dance 75 TMF 76 The Hits 81 QVC 82 Ideal World 83 Bid-Up TV 84 Price Drop TV 85 another shopping channel 91 UK Gold 92 UK History 93 UK Documentary 94 UK Boring Ideas 101 Radio 1 102 Radio 2 103 Radio 3 104 Radio 4 105 Radio 5 106 Radio 6 107 Radio 7 111 Radio 1 Extra 114 Radio 4 Daily Service 115 Radio 5 Extra 901 Adult Channel 902 Television X 903 Red Hot 904 Spice Platinum I know this is not true for all digiboxes but in a lot of cases you can rearrange the logical channel numbers to suit yourself. It is a bit of a bind with Twins since each time you rescan you also have to set it all up again. One advantage of doing this is that the EPG will show the channels you are mainly interested in. Naturally if your box does not have this feature it is back to square 1. -- Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Turn left where the chip shop used to be. |
Industrial wrote: Mark Carver wrote: http://www.channel4.com/more4/ Umm, it says "Free To Air" on D-Sat, I wonder if they really mean that ? Why wouldn't they? They know "Freesat" is coming. They know the BBC is FTA. They know ITV3 is FTA. They're not stupid. Well Mr 'Industial' stupid or not, by C4's amended web site, More 4 won't even be FTV on D-Sat, it's subs only. http://www.channel4.com/more4/getmore4.html Quote:- More4 is in the basic channel package through subscription on Sky, ntl and Telewest. If you have a digital box that receives Freeview, you can watch More4 for free without subscription. |
Stephen wrote: "Dave Newt" wrote in message ... Stephen wrote: "Graham" wrote in message ... Why don't channels have the same channel number on Freeview, Sky, NTL and Telewest? What is it the French say? Viva Le Difference! C'est Vive LA Difference, actuellement! Er, that's "diff=E9rence". Oh, and "actuellement" doesn't mean "actually". You got the gender right though :-) Zut alors! Il s'av=E8re que je r=E9ellement ne comprends pas la langue Fr= an=E7aise apr=E8s tous! Mange tout Rodney, mange tout! |
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