Ivan wrote:

I feel that Channel 5 is going to be the hardest nut to crack, as one
possible reason that they've stayed so cosy with Sky is that at one time
there was considerable speculation about them being bought out by Mr
Murdoch. Something which didn't prevail, but maybe they're still hoping, in
which case it's unlikely that they will be doing anything to rock the boat.

I thought they were bought by RTL group now which runs 4 FTA channels
here in Germany.

Cheers

Torsten



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"Michael Chare" wrote in message
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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Once the BBC and ITV start advertising Freesat on their TV channels and
****loads of people get Freesat then the economics of subscription
versus FTA start tipping in the favour of FTA, and five will eventually
get on-board. Well, that's my theory anyway,

Mine too.

You would think that Five have quite a lot to gain by going FTA on
satellite as
they have the poorest terrestrial anlaogue cover.

I wonder if Sky will keep their £150 non subscription installation price
(if it
still available now). I doubt that you could get a non sky system
installed for
this price.

But you *can* DIY for half that.

And the fact that a dish can often be sited lower down than a terrestrial aerial
can make it an easier DIY project.

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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Once the BBC and ITV start advertising Freesat on their TV channels
and
****loads of people get Freesat then the economics of subscription
versus FTA start tipping in the favour of FTA, and five will
eventually
get on-board. Well, that's my theory anyway,

Mine too.

You would think that Five have quite a lot to gain by going FTA on
satellite as
they have the poorest terrestrial anlaogue cover.

I wonder if Sky will keep their £150 non subscription installation price
(if it
still available now). I doubt that you could get a non sky system
installed for
this price.

But you *can* DIY for half that.


My guess is that if Freesat takes off, one will soon be able to purchase a
DIY digital satellite kit for around 50 to £60, complete with sat finder.


tim

On 07 Sep 2005 10:41:15 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

"Michael Chare" wrote:
The BBC has been FTA for about 2 years. When they went FTA they changed to a
satellite footprint that is more closely focused on the UK making reception in
places like Spain more difficult.

ITV is on that footprint now. C4 have hired space, but C4 is on 2A North.

I think a few sports programmes are omitted from the satellite transmissions.

Some Scottish football, but I think that's because of viewers in
the rest of the UK, not any non-UK overspill coverage. Any others?

A few football matches from NIR and WLS have also been unavailable to
satellite viewers, although not in recent months AFAIR.
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:29:42 +0300, wrote:

On 07 Sep 2005 10:23:13 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

wrote:
"MJ Ray" wrote in message news:431eb0ea$0$32182
Now, if Ceefax returns as part of this, all will be right with the
world...

(By the way, Ceefax news is still on BBC World on some satellites,
and is the audio out of sync on Hotbird for anyone else?)


Yes! Lipsync poor on BBC World/Hotbird here too.

Not obviously so at 2330 GMT on a Technomate.
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tim (moved to sweden) wrote:
"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message

More difficult but NOT impossible. The BBC are possibly paying just as
much
in increased costs for programme rights as they ever did to be encrypted!


yes, but Murdoch's not getting any of it.

Well no, apart from all of those Fox programmes and movies.


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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:59:10 +0100, "Michael Chare"
wrote:


| And the fact that a dish can often be sited lower down than a terrestrial aerial
| can make it an easier DIY project.

I saw one at a height of about a metre above the ground.
It had a wonderful view of Astra, provided that you were careful what you
planted in front of it.

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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:59:14 +0100, "Ivan" wrote:


| My guess is that if Freesat takes off, one will soon be able to purchase a
| DIY digital satellite kit for around 50 to £60, complete with sat finder.

You already can at Lidl **when it is on offer** Not now :-(

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Ivan wrote:

My guess is that if Freesat takes off, one will soon be able to purchase a
DIY digital satellite kit for around 50 to £60, complete with sat finder.

You already can, in any continental DIY store. However they aren't
good quality and installation is not included.

Sky's £150 for a Sky box, dish and installation is unbeatable.

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David Westerman wrote:

Hopefully also opens up the prospect of subscription free PVR boxes to end
the Sky + racket.

This, of course, is the only really important change in all this.

As soon as it becomes viable to use a non-Sky box with non-proprietary
EPG and software for reception of the main channels (BBC, ITV, 4 and
5) manufacturers will be falling over themselves to release suitable
digiboxes, twin-tuner digiboxes, hard drive sat PVRs, sat PVRs with
DVD burner etc. etc.

Look at the market for fancy Freeview boxes: now DSAT will finally be
like that.

Of course it is always possible that this will encourage Sky to
activate PVR functionality on all Sky+ units for free, and perhaps
even to release a CAM. He who buys a non-Sky box for Freesat reception
will never be able to receive a pay Sky channel as things stand now,
and so it will be in Sky's interest to encourage new Freesat viewers
to buy and use a Sky box for Freesat in the first place. I doubt that
Sky will let that slip past them.

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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/7rm2m
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
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