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ITV1 Regions on Sky Digital, have they added more?
Just wondering if ITV1 ever got round to adding the extra regional varients
to Sky? I was missing things like Central News East and Calendar South. Did they ever get round to adding the other minor regions? |
Yes, I'm now on ITV Yorkshire West, I think it's not complete though there
are still more to come PKH "Neil M" wrote in message ... Just wondering if ITV1 ever got round to adding the extra regional varients to Sky? I was missing things like Central News East and Calendar South. Did they ever get round to adding the other minor regions? |
Neil M wrote:
: Just wondering if ITV1 ever got round to adding the extra regional varients : to Sky? I was missing things like Central News East and Calendar South. : Did they ever get round to adding the other minor regions? Yes - the Central News variants were added a few months ago - I now get the (correct) "Central News South" on 103 |
"Paul K Hudson" wrote in message ... "Neil M" wrote in message ... Just wondering if ITV1 ever got round to adding the extra regional varients to Sky? I was missing things like Central News East and Calendar South. Did they ever get round to adding the other minor regions? Yes, I'm now on ITV Yorkshire West, I think it's not complete though there are still more to come I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Paul K Hudson" wrote in message ... "Neil M" wrote in message ... Just wondering if ITV1 ever got round to adding the extra regional varients to Sky? I was missing things like Central News East and Calendar South. Did they ever get round to adding the other minor regions? Yes, I'm now on ITV Yorkshire West, I think it's not complete though there are still more to come I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. Unless things have changed, it is possible to switch regions. I am sure that somebody here can explain how. -- MESSAGE ENDS. John Porcella |
John Porcella wrote:
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. It's tied up with advertising. Despite all the English and Welsh regions being part of the combined Granada/Carlton group (aka ITV Ltd) ITV still need to be sure that a regionally targeted advert is only seen in a defined region. By putting all regions on the EPG in all areas this could not be assured (incidentally much the same problem would pop up if ITV and C4 joined the proposed non Sky 'Freesat' platform, without conditional access how would ITV be sure a particular viewer was watching the correct region) ? For the Beeb, none of this is an issue Unless things have changed, it is possible to switch regions. You can manually add any other ITV region to a Sky box, but you cannot change what region is mapped to 103 on the EPG. Only Sky can do this, if so instructed by ITV themselves. If you want your region changed, it's no good talking to Sky, you need to lobby ITV. I am sure that somebody here can explain how. See http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/SkyITV.htm In conjunction with the the latest info here http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk.html -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Paul K Hudson" wrote in message ... "Neil M" wrote in message ... Just wondering if ITV1 ever got round to adding the extra regional varients to Sky? I was missing things like Central News East and Calendar South. Did they ever get round to adding the other minor regions? Yes, I'm now on ITV Yorkshire West, I think it's not complete though there are still more to come I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. They can't because each region has their own ads, that the advertiser expects people from that region to see.... If they open it up, there is less chance of the advertiser getting their product seen in the area they want it to be seen in. Thats the problem ITV has. Of course the BBC is not plagued by this, their money is given to them on a plate, with a silver spoon! |
"Steve" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. They can't because each region has their own ads, that the advertiser expects people from that region to see.... If they open it up, there is less chance of the advertiser getting their product seen in the area they want it to be seen in. Thats the problem ITV has. Of course the BBC is not plagued by this, their money is given to them on a plate, with a silver spoon! So the viewer then just watches the BBC regional news that is relevant to them instead, and doesn't see any ITV advertising... The only reason why I can see ITV *having* to stop people outside a region seeing adverts is to do with rights clearances, the same reason why BSkyB / FOXnews can't allow USA adverts appearing here - that could be sorted though. |
They can't because each region has their own ads, that the advertiser expects people from that region to see.... If they open it up, there is less chance of the advertiser getting their product seen in the area they want it to be seen in. Thats the problem ITV has. Of course the BBC is not plagued by this, their money is given to them on a plate, with a silver spoon! Thanks to a poster above in this thread, you can have access to most of the regions. See http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/SkyITV.htm In conjunction with the the latest info here http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk.html -- MESSAGE ENDS. John Porcella |
Rights clearance and new product launches and special offers.
Sometimes new products are only launched in limited ITV regions as a test market. I think some national newspaper offers have also only been available in some ITV areas so they dont want those adverts available nationally. ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "Steve" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. They can't because each region has their own ads, that the advertiser expects people from that region to see.... If they open it up, there is less chance of the advertiser getting their product seen in the area they want it to be seen in. Thats the problem ITV has. Of course the BBC is not plagued by this, their money is given to them on a plate, with a silver spoon! So the viewer then just watches the BBC regional news that is relevant to them instead, and doesn't see any ITV advertising... The only reason why I can see ITV *having* to stop people outside a region seeing adverts is to do with rights clearances, the same reason why BSkyB / FOXnews can't allow USA adverts appearing here - that could be sorted though. |
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:05:15 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote: John Porcella wrote: ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. It's tied up with advertising. Despite all the English and Welsh regions being part of the combined Granada/Carlton group (aka ITV Ltd) ITV still need to be sure that a regionally targeted advert is only seen in a defined region. By putting all regions on the EPG in all areas this could not be assured (incidentally much the same problem would pop up if ITV and C4 joined the proposed non Sky 'Freesat' platform, without conditional access how would ITV be sure a particular viewer was watching the correct region) ? For the Beeb, none of this is an issue It might be an issue for sports rights. Scott |
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:35:52 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip I just wish they would follow the BBC example and make their regions available to all, rather than unilaterally deciding what region someone want to be associated with. They can't because each region has their own ads, that the advertiser expects people from that region to see.... If they open it up, there is less chance of the advertiser getting their product seen in the area they want it to be seen in. Thats the problem ITV has. Of course the BBC is not plagued by this, their money is given to them on a plate, with a silver spoon! So the viewer then just watches the BBC regional news that is relevant to them instead, and doesn't see any ITV advertising... The only reason why I can see ITV *having* to stop people outside a region seeing adverts is to do with rights clearances, the same reason why BSkyB / FOXnews can't allow USA adverts appearing here - that could be sorted though. Do they not do test marketing of products in one ITV region only any more? Would advertisers in one region only not expect to pay less if part of the audience was able to opt out? Scott |
"John Patrick" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip So the viewer then just watches the BBC regional news that is relevant to them instead, and doesn't see any ITV advertising... The only reason why I can see ITV *having* to stop people outside a region seeing adverts is to do with rights clearances, the same reason why BSkyB / FOXnews can't allow USA adverts appearing here - that could be sorted though. Rights clearance and new product launches and special offers. Sometimes new products are only launched in limited ITV regions as a test market. I think some national newspaper offers have also only been available in some ITV areas so they dont want those adverts available nationally. Err correct on the first, but what has the other two got to do with things, what would stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relations and telling then to drive over and see her because the local shed has the new product and it's on offer? |
"Neil M" wrote in message ... Just wondering if ITV1 ever got round to adding the extra regional varients to Sky? I was missing things like Central News East and Calendar South. Did they ever get round to adding the other minor regions? They've redone Meridian. It's now split into 4 subregions. -- Simon. |
Scott wrote:
) ? For the Beeb, none of this is an issue It might be an issue for sports rights. Yes there might be something in that. BBC Scotland have to blank out some football matches on D-Sat, I wonder if they'd still have to if BBC Scotland was not available on English, Welsh, and NI postcode Sky EPGs ? -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
Err correct on the first, but what has the other two got to do with things, what would stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relations and telling then to drive over and see her because the local shed has the new product and it's on offer? What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their regions easily assessable to the viewer ? Remember, they are there to deliver viewers to advertisers, and make money. From their point of view there is no cost benefit in paying for 29 EPG slots, and as already stated it would 'fuzz up' their geographical advertising areas. -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... :::Jerry:::: wrote: Err correct on the first, but what has the other two got to do with things, what would stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relations and telling then to drive over and see her because the local shed has the new product and it's on offer? What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their regions easily assessable to the viewer ? What possible advantage is there in having them on Dsat, seeing that they are on Terrestrial and DT ?!... Remember, they are there to deliver viewers to advertisers, and make money. From their point of view there is no cost benefit in paying for 29 EPG slots, and as already stated it would 'fuzz up' their geographical advertising areas. See above, but anyway, what of those who live in an area that gets shed loads of news from 100 miles away but nothing about things happening 10 miles down the road... |
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their regions easily assessable to the viewer ? What possible advantage is there in having them on Dsat, seeing that they are on Terrestrial and DT ?!... That's exactly what ITV themselves said between Oct 1998 and Spring 2001, when they refused to join the other four terrestrial channels on D-Sat. What happened was that their viewing in Sky homes dropped, because 'allegedly' viewers could not be bothered to switch back to analogue to view them. Remember, they are there to deliver viewers to advertisers, and make money. From their point of view there is no cost benefit in paying for 29 EPG slots, and as already stated it would 'fuzz up' their geographical advertising areas. See above, but anyway, what of those who live in an area that gets shed loads of news from 100 miles away but nothing about things happening 10 miles down the road... I'm well aware of that (I live in the Thames Valley, yet I see news about rural Dorset, and Brighton, and Milton Keynes on the BBC South news) At least ITV serve me better there, but I doubt come analogue switch off whether there will be any regional news at all on ITV. What you can be sure of is that there will always be regional advertising, and that's where their priorities are (and the true reason why more sub regions are now popping up on D-Sat). -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... :::Jerry:::: wrote: "Mark Carver" wrote in message What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their regions easily assessable to the viewer ? What possible advantage is there in having them on Dsat, seeing that they are on Terrestrial and DT ?!... That's exactly what ITV themselves said between Oct 1998 and Spring 2001, when they refused to join the other four terrestrial channels on D-Sat. What happened was that their viewing in Sky homes dropped, because 'allegedly' viewers could not be bothered to switch back to analogue to view them. Yes, and now the BBC allows people to choose the region they watch were there is an option (opt-out) how many will choose to view what *they* consider local and not bother with ITV 'regional' content? Remember, they are there to deliver viewers to advertisers, and make money. From their point of view there is no cost benefit in paying for 29 EPG slots, and as already stated it would 'fuzz up' their geographical advertising areas. See above, but anyway, what of those who live in an area that gets shed loads of news from 100 miles away but nothing about things happening 10 miles down the road... I'm well aware of that (I live in the Thames Valley, yet I see news about rural Dorset, and Brighton, and Milton Keynes on the BBC South news) At least ITV serve me better there, but I doubt come analogue switch off whether there will be any regional news at all on ITV. What you can be sure of is that there will always be regional advertising, and that's where their priorities are (and the true reason why more sub regions are now popping up on D-Sat). Yes, I agree with you about regional news, the decline has already started, allowed by HMG / Ofcom, the BBC was once thought off as the 'National' (geographically speaking) broadcaster and the ITV companies being regional - with the exception of the four still independent 'ITV' companies we now have one national commercial TV company IYSWIM. mode=rant Granada / Carlton media should never have been allowed to use 'ITV' name IMO. /mode |
What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their
regions easily assessable to the viewer ? That should be obvious! Think about it in terms of regions. If I run supermarkets that operate only in Yorkshire, then I am only really willing to pay for TV adverts that cover the Yorkshire region only. Why would I want Londoners to know about my shops? Hence ITV have to broadcast most, if not all, or their regional variants, not necessarily for the benefit of the viewer only, but more for the benefit of the advertisers. -- MESSAGE ENDS. John Porcella |
John Porcella wrote:
What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their regions easily assessable to the viewer ? That should be obvious! Think about it in terms of regions. If I run supermarkets that operate only in Yorkshire, then I am only really willing to pay for TV adverts that cover the Yorkshire region only. Why would I want Londoners to know about my shops? Hence ITV have to broadcast most, if not all, or their regional variants, not necessarily for the benefit of the viewer only, but more for the benefit of the advertisers. I think John, you've misunderstood the discussion. ITV do broadcast all of their main regions, and now also many of the sub regions. The argument is why do they not make all of these available to the whole country on Sky's EPG (like the BBC do with theirs). Currently you are only able to view the nominated ITV station for your region on the Sky EPG. (An exception is ITV London, this is available nationwide outside London on EPG Ch 963 because it carries an audio description track) -- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply. |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... John Porcella wrote: What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their regions easily assessable to the viewer ? That should be obvious! Think about it in terms of regions. If I run supermarkets that operate only in Yorkshire, then I am only really willing to pay for TV adverts that cover the Yorkshire region only. Why would I want Londoners to know about my shops? Hence ITV have to broadcast most, if not all, or their regional variants, not necessarily for the benefit of the viewer only, but more for the benefit of the advertisers. I think John, you've misunderstood the discussion. ITV do broadcast all of their main regions, and now also many of the sub regions. The argument is why do they not make all of these available to the whole country on Sky's EPG (like the BBC do with theirs). Currently you are only able to view the nominated ITV station for your region on the Sky EPG. snip The point is, the regions are in the Mux, as others have said they can be added anyway, it's just the decoder / STB is being told not to display any other region than the one ITV decide fits into your postal area. The 'main' 103 channel would still be the region relevant to the postal area, as I said, out of region advertising problems could be sorted, either by altering rights clearances [1] or modifying the firmware on the decoder / STB's so that a generic screen of some sort (ie. like FOXnews on BSkyB) or area adverts are shown *dependent* on postal code area. [1] This might need a change in the copyright law / agreements admittedly. |
Some special offers like new product launches are made region specific.
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "John Patrick" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip So the viewer then just watches the BBC regional news that is relevant to them instead, and doesn't see any ITV advertising... The only reason why I can see ITV *having* to stop people outside a region seeing adverts is to do with rights clearances, the same reason why BSkyB / FOXnews can't allow USA adverts appearing here - that could be sorted though. Rights clearance and new product launches and special offers. Sometimes new products are only launched in limited ITV regions as a test market. I think some national newspaper offers have also only been available in some ITV areas so they dont want those adverts available nationally. Err correct on the first, but what has the other two got to do with things, what would stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relations and telling then to drive over and see her because the local shed has the new product and it's on offer? |
"John Patrick" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... snip Err correct on the first, but what has the other two got to do with things, what would stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relations and telling then to drive over and see her because the local shed has the new product and it's on offer? Some special offers like new product launches are made region specific. Your point being exactly, taking into account what I said above?... |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
eenews.net... "John Patrick" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... Some special offers like new product launches are made region specific. Your point being exactly, taking into account what I said above?... Advertisers will generally nominate a "control market" in which no advertising of a certain offer/product takes place. That allows the advertiser to conduct market research and truly understand what effect their ad spend has achieved. For example, if you're advertising a particular brand of ice cream on May 1st and that coincides with a heatwave it would be impossible to know how many sales were due to the weather and how many the advertising. A control region can mitigate against that effect. |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... John Porcella wrote: What possible advantage would ITV gain by spending money to make all their regions easily assessable to the viewer ? That should be obvious! Think about it in terms of regions. If I run supermarkets that operate only in Yorkshire, then I am only really willing to pay for TV adverts that cover the Yorkshire region only. Why would I want Londoners to know about my shops? Hence ITV have to broadcast most, if not all, or their regional variants, not necessarily for the benefit of the viewer only, but more for the benefit of the advertisers. I think John, you've misunderstood the discussion. ITV do broadcast all of their main regions, and now also many of the sub regions. Correct. The argument is why do they not make all of these available to the whole country on Sky's EPG (like the BBC do with theirs). Currently you are only able to view the nominated ITV station for your region on the Sky EPG. But this is not so! It is possible to get most, if not all, of the regions on Sky D. See earlier in thread for links to instructions as to how to do this. -- MESSAGE ENDS. John Porcella |
"Stephen Peterson" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... "John Patrick" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message eenews.net... Some special offers like new product launches are made region specific. Your point being exactly, taking into account what I said above?... Advertisers will generally nominate a "control market" in which no advertising of a certain offer/product takes place. That allows the advertiser to conduct market research and truly understand what effect their ad spend has achieved. For example, if you're advertising a particular brand of ice cream on May 1st and that coincides with a heatwave it would be impossible to know how many sales were due to the weather and how many the advertising. A control region can mitigate against that effect. Yes, but how does that stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relation 20 miles down the road, those relations might well be in the area anyway and buy the product without even knowing about any marketing?... Unlike terrestrial TX we are talking about arbitrary boarders that cut out reception, not the geographical issues that effect terrestrial TX IYSWIM. The point is that someone could live in one postal code region but shop in another but never see adverts that are relevant to their shopping area.... |
Yes, but how does that stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relation 20 miles down the road, those relations might well be in the area anyway and buy the product without even knowing about any marketing?... Probably statistically insignificant. Unlike terrestrial TX we are talking about arbitrary boarders that cut out reception, not the geographical issues that effect terrestrial TX IYSWIM. The point is that someone could live in one postal code region but shop in another but never see adverts that are relevant to their shopping area.... Correct! Nobody suggested that the system was perfect. -- MESSAGE ENDS. John Porcella |
"John Porcella" wrote in message ... Yes, but how does that stop 'Aunty Ethel' phoning up her relation 20 miles down the road, those relations might well be in the area anyway and buy the product without even knowing about any marketing?... Probably statistically insignificant. In that case any marketing stats are fatally flawed due to what I mentioned below! Unlike terrestrial TX we are talking about arbitrary boarders that cut out reception, not the geographical issues that effect terrestrial TX IYSWIM. The point is that someone could live in one postal code region but shop in another but never see adverts that are relevant to their shopping area.... Correct! Nobody suggested that the system was perfect. It's not even attempting... |
John Porcella wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message The argument is why do they not make all of these available to the whole country on Sky's EPG (like the BBC do with theirs). Currently you are only able to view the nominated ITV station for your region on the Sky EPG. But this is not so! It is possible to get most, if not all, of the regions on Sky D. (sorry for the late reply, I've been on holiday) But you cannot add other ITV regions to the EPG, that was my point. They go in the 'Other Channels' menu, no good for Sky+ or Autoview. See earlier in thread for links to instructions as to how to do this. Yes I know, it was me that posted them ! |
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