"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Nod wrote:

Dunno why I bother writing this though, 'cos you project a
blank wall 50 feet high, and I know what you'll say.


Fire away. All you have done in your post is write general accusations
without actually pointing out a single specific error or ommission.
Basically, someone without a shred of knowledge of OFDM could have done
what you've just done.

You think you know about OFDM? Bring it on. I will **** all over you.

Wow. 500 feet high. You've got the whole lab ROTFL here. I don't think
you should hear the assumptions being made about you now after that
performance 'cos it'd be too cruel. Bye for now.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:30:16 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

The point I was making was that Alan White had said this:

"As children can probably hear up to 20 kHz, they need it!"

For goodness sake grow up!

It was a lighthearted, throwaway comment.

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Nod wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Nod wrote:

Dunno why I bother writing this though, 'cos you project a
blank wall 50 feet high, and I know what you'll say.


Fire away. All you have done in your post is write general
accusations without actually pointing out a single specific error or
ommission. Basically, someone without a shred of knowledge of OFDM
could have done what you've just done.

You think you know about OFDM? Bring it on. I will **** all over you.

Wow. 500 feet high. You've got the whole lab ROTFL here.


Laugh as much as you like. The fact is that my knowledge of OFDM WILL
**** on yours. Yet again, all you have done is throw general criticisms
that try to suggest that you know what you're talking about, but without
any specific criticisms. Your problem is that you could not find a
single specific criticism, because you actually don't know WTF you're
going on about.


I don't think
you should hear the assumptions being made about you now after that
performance 'cos it'd be too cruel.


Make all the assumptions that you like. The fact is that you don't
understand OFDM, and I do, therefore your original "criticisms" that I
somehow don't understand the terminology surrounding OFDM and other
general criticisms is simply hot air unless you can actually point out a
specific instance where I've made a mistake.

Fire away. The problem is you cannot, because you either don't
understand OFDM at all, or you cannot find an example of a mistake.


Bye for now.


Happy searching for a mistake.


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Alan White wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:30:16 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

The point I was making was that Alan White had said this:

"As children can probably hear up to 20 kHz, they need it!"

For goodness sake grow up!

It was a lighthearted, throwaway comment.


Dave Plowman called me a prat. Is that a light-heated, throwaway
comment?


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In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
I've never checked the frequency response of the TV channels' audio
channels, but all the digital radio stations are lowpass filtered
with a cutoff frequency of around 15.5 kHz, and I wouldn't be
surprised if the TV channels were also.

As is FM radio, prat.


Where did I say that FM radio wasn't lowpass filtered down to about 15
kHz? I didn't.

Now let me see. What's your name again?

So it's not unreasonable that when you make such a comment about digital
radio and TV you are excluding your beloved FM?

If not, perhaps you need a few more aliases.

'DAB sounds worse than FM, but not for frequency response' - for a start?

The point I was making was that Alan White had said this:

"As children can probably hear up to 20 kHz, they need it!"

You don't seem capable of following a simple thread of discussion
without getting completely confused. I'd suggest that you do some
crossword puzzles or something. You know what they say, "use it or lose
it", and you seem to be most definitely losing

I've never met anyone else in my long life with such tunnel vision.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Why? How old are you? I'm in my 30s. If you're much older than me
then your hearing will be worse because your high-frequency response
worsens with age. That might explain why you don't mind the sound on
DAB, whereas I can hear it properly and know how bad it actually
sounds.

Then it might well be suitable for half the country with hearing
deficiencies due to age,

Half?

Most bodily functions start on the downhill slope in the 30s. Some of
yours much earlier, obviously.


and 99% of the rest who either don't notice
the difference or don't care.


99%?

Well, you could take out a sizable percentage of the population who are
too young to notice or care but will still listen to radio. Say up to 12
or so. So you're left with those say from 12 to 40 - being generous.

So what percentage would those of that group who care be of the entire
population?


And for the few left who do, there's always FM, Satellite or FreeView.

So your point actually is?


My point is simply that DAB is meant to eventually replace FM, and DAB
sounds miles worse than FM.

You seem to be relying on your crystal ball a lot. There is no date set
for the turning off of FM. Who knows what technology might be around by
then?

--
*Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:26:19 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

Dave Plowman called me a prat. Is that a light-heated, throwaway
comment?

The way you're currently behaving, I'm surprised he exercised so much
restraint.

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In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Dave Plowman called me a prat. Is that a light-heated, throwaway
comment?

Just telling the truth.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

well I have an obsolete dab (pure pocket DAB) they can have
because its crap
wont work indoors
wont work in work
only works out side and they only if I stand still other wise it fades and
whistles and pops(just like good old AM)
I love my FM radios
I hate my DAB
"Graham" wrote in message
...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/digitalradio/news/amnesty.shtml

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%Profound_observation%

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Why? How old are you? I'm in my 30s. If you're much older than me
then your hearing will be worse because your high-frequency
response worsens with age. That might explain why you don't mind
the sound on DAB, whereas I can hear it properly and know how bad
it actually sounds.

Then it might well be suitable for half the country with hearing
deficiencies due to age,

Half?

Most bodily functions start on the downhill slope in the 30s. Some of
yours much earlier, obviously.


Yawn.


and 99% of the rest who either don't notice
the difference or don't care.


99%?

Well, you could take out a sizable percentage of the population who
are too young to notice or care but will still listen to radio. Say
up to 12 or so. So you're left with those say from 12 to 40 - being
generous.

So what percentage would those of that group who care be of the entire
population?


I've just written a longish post to uk.tech.broadcast about the issue of
whether the general public cares or not and similar things like that, so
I've no intention of writing it all out again.


And for the few left who do, there's always FM, Satellite or
FreeView.

So your point actually is?


My point is simply that DAB is meant to eventually replace FM, and
DAB sounds miles worse than FM.

You seem to be relying on your crystal ball a lot. There is no date
set for the turning off of FM.


True, it's not been set yet. But I think the date will be set in the not
too distant future, and the date that will be set will be a lot sooner
than a lot of people seem to think. You have to consider that the
commercial radio groups want FM switched off ASAP, and Ofcom being Ofcom
will bend over backwards to get this to happen. And if the projected
sales for DAB come true, then I think we could be looking at 2015, which
is only 10 yeas away.


Who knows what technology might be
around by then?


True, but it doesn't alter the fact that the broadcasters want DAB to
replace every single FM receiver out there.


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