ITV Wales / West - Planned DTT Engineering Work - Starting Monday 11 July
 

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11 July,
to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales & ITV West
regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the re-introduction
of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels during the
course of the days work. It is hoped that work will be completed by
approximately 5pm.
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aa

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aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11
July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales &
ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels
[snip]

Mux 2 channel Listing:

ITV1
Channel 4
ITV2
Teletext
E4
UKTV Food
ITV3
ITV News Channel
Bloomberg
British Eurosport
Teletext on 4
Teletext TV Guide
Teletext Cars
705 - E4
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aa

aa wrote:
It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11 July,
to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales & ITV West
regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the re-introduction
of ITV News Channel.

And if the experience of the Meridian ITV region is repeated say goodbye to the
EPG on Mux 2 for about a week :-) (Still missing on Hannington last night, after
a brief half-hearted appearance on Saturday)

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Mark
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:50:51 +0100, "aa" wrote:


| ITV1
| Channel 4
| ITV2
| Teletext
| E4
| UKTV Food
| ITV3
| ITV News Channel
| Bloomberg
| British Eurosport
| Teletext on 4
| Teletext TV Guide
| Teletext Cars
| 705 - E4

Wow, All that on one Mux, no wonder the reception is crap.
But then I watch Beeb Programs at 16QAM which come over loud and clear.

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"aa" wrote

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday
11 July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV
Wales & ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels

snip

*****

Thanks, aa. I wonder whether some precursor to the engineering work
might have been responsible for the break-ups on Channel 4 etc. at the
weekend, which we discussed in a thread above. Has it become clear
whether those break-ups were widespread (and therefore possibly
weather-related) or confined to the Mendip 'region'? If the latter, it
can't be a specific tx fault at Mendip since Bristol Ilchester
Crescent was affected as well (and their feeds are independent, as you
confirmed).

If there has been a minor cock-up with the engineering, that's
regrettable but one of those things. If it is more systematic (related
to 64QAM, or the new coders), then the outlook isn't good.

André Coutanche

In ,
André Coutanche wrote:

"aa" wrote

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday
11 July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV
Wales & ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels

snip

*****

Thanks, aa.

You're welcome. :-)

I wonder whether some precursor to the engineering work
might have been responsible for the break-ups on Channel 4 etc. at the
weekend, which we discussed in a thread above. Has it become clear
whether those break-ups were widespread (and therefore possibly
weather-related) or confined to the Mendip 'region'? If the latter, it
can't be a specific tx fault at Mendip since Bristol Ilchester
Crescent was affected as well (and their feeds are independent, as you
confirmed).

If there has been a minor cock-up with the engineering, that's
regrettable but one of those things. If it is more systematic (related
to 64QAM, or the new coders), then the outlook isn't good.

To some extent you're echoing my thoughts this morning, when I received the
news about todays planned work .

I'm not a techie and if I'm honest, am only really interested in the
technology as a means to an end in achieving the highest possible technical
broadcast standards for the viewer / listener. I've had no feedback as
such as to the reason(s) for the Mendip Mux 2 issues of yesterday and the
day before. I'm *guessing* (perhaps wrongly) that because the issues
disappeared immediately after I was informed by Arqiva that they'd made some
multiplex changes, that the reason was *not* weather related.

From reading some of the posts in here and perhaps more so in the Digital
Spy forum..

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/... 9&forumid=13

...it would seem that a number of Mux 2 issues have been noticed in various
parts of Britain in recent weeks / days. I know that major re-engineering
works affecting Mux 2 have caused a number of (most of?) the reported
issues, including the loss of EPG data in some regions.

Has your own reception of Mux 2 channels from been ok since yesterday
afternoon? I noticed no issues at all with DTT signals from Mendip since
about 12:30 yesterday. Let's see how todays work pans out and then
hopefully we'll better be able to assess what issues, if any, remain.
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aa

"aa" wrote in message
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In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11
July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales &
ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels
[snip]

Mux 2 channel Listing:

ITV1
Channel 4
ITV2
Teletext
E4
UKTV Food
ITV3
ITV News Channel
Bloomberg
British Eurosport
Teletext on 4
Teletext TV Guide
Teletext Cars
705 - E4
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aa

Thanks aa, explains a lot.

"aa" wrote

snip

I'm not a techie and if I'm honest, am only really interested in the
technology as a means to an end in achieving the highest possible
technical broadcast standards for the viewer / listener.

Hear, hear!

I've had no feedback as such as to the reason(s) for the Mendip Mux
2 issues of yesterday and the day before. I'm *guessing* (perhaps
wrongly) that because the issues disappeared immediately after I was
informed by Arqiva that they'd made some multiplex changes, that the
reason was *not* weather related.

Right.

From reading some of the posts in here and perhaps more so in the
Digital Spy forum..

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/... 9&forumid=13

..it would seem that a number of Mux 2 issues have been noticed in
various parts of Britain in recent weeks / days. I know that major
re-engineering works affecting Mux 2 have caused a number of (most
of?) the reported issues, including the loss of EPG data in some
regions.

And many of those reports predate the high-pressure lift. All the
evidence points to the engineering work screwing things up - the
important question is whether they can be unscrewed. It's also
worrying that (a) they're still screwing up when they have previously
done other regions, so they don't seem to have learned any lessons,
and (b) they don't seem to know they've screwed up until us ordinary
punters shout. As has been said on the DS Forum - who do we now report
trouble to? And how do we know something is being done about it?

Has your own reception of Mux 2 channels from been ok since
yesterday afternoon? I noticed no issues at all with DTT signals
from Mendip since about 12:30 yesterday. Let's see how todays work
pans out and then hopefully we'll better be able to assess what
issues, if any, remain.

Well, I've just done some channel-hopping (Bristol Ilchester
Crescent). Some minor break-up on ITV1 but nothing else in the few
minutes I was on the other Mux 2 channels. But not a serious
scientific sample (and don't ask me to 'watch' more than 2 seconds of
E4 BB Live [sic]).

Thanks for your interest and useful information.

André Coutanche

In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11
July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales &
ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels during
the course of the days work. It is hoped that work will be completed by
approximately 5pm.

STOP PRESS: ITV *Wales* region work is now completed. ITV *West* region
will now be carried out daytime tomorrow Tuesday 12th of July.

Source: Arqiva
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aa

In ,
André Coutanche wrote:

"aa" wrote
[snip]
From reading some of the posts in here and perhaps more so in the
Digital Spy forum..

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/... 9&forumid=13

..it would seem that a number of Mux 2 issues have been noticed in
various parts of Britain in recent weeks / days. I know that major
re-engineering works affecting Mux 2 have caused a number of (most
of?) the reported issues, including the loss of EPG data in some
regions.

And many of those reports predate the high-pressure lift. All the
evidence points to the engineering work screwing things up

Yes, I'd tend to agree.

- the
important question is whether they can be unscrewed. It's also
worrying that (a) they're still screwing up when they have previously
done other regions, so they don't seem to have learned any lessons,
and (b) they don't seem to know they've screwed up until us ordinary
punters shout. As has been said on the DS Forum - who do we now report
trouble to?

First point of contact for the public would normally be the TV stations
concerned. Posts to this newsgroup I'm sure will ultimately be noticed by
thems that need to know too.

And how do we know something is being done about it?

Good question. I'm not aware of any formal mechanism for that sort of
information to be conveyed *back* to the public other than faults actually
being rectified, or not as the case may be. Can only suggest keep up the
pressure on the TV stations and make use of this newsgroup and DS Forum to
voice your concerns.

Thanks for your interest and useful information.

Pleasure.
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aa

"aa" wrote in message
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In ,
aa wrote:
STOP PRESS: ITV *Wales* region work is now completed. ITV *West* region
will now be carried out daytime tomorrow Tuesday 12th of July.



And indeed, here in Cwmbran (Pontypool transmitter), ITV News Channel is
back on the air.....

Simes

the new avenger wrote:
"aa" wrote in message
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In ,
aa wrote:
STOP PRESS: ITV *Wales* region work is now completed. ITV *West* region
will now be carried out daytime tomorrow Tuesday 12th of July.




And indeed, here in Cwmbran (Pontypool transmitter), ITV News Channel is
back on the air.....

Simes



Is this work a precursor to Digital conversion on transmitters?

Cheers,

Rob.

"Robert Wilson" wrote

Is this work a precursor to Digital conversion on transmitters?

*****

No. It's work on the ITV group of channels on existing digital
transmitters so that they can transmit more channels in their allotted
space.

André Coutanche

In ,
aa wrote:

[snip]
I know that major
re-engineering works affecting Mux 2 have caused a number of (most of?)
the reported issues, including the loss of EPG data in some regions.
[snip]

Some welcome news. I've had it on good authority that a cure has apparently
been found today for the EPG data issues that many have reported in recent
weeks since the re-introduction of ITV News Channel. Hoorah, just in time
for the Mux 2 work in my neck of the woods tomorrow. :-)
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aa

In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11
July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales &
ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels during
the course of the days work. It is hoped that work will be completed by
approximately 5pm.

ITV West region work now completed.
--
aa

"aa" wrote in message
...
In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11
July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales &
ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels during
the course of the days work. It is hoped that work will be completed by
approximately 5pm.

ITV West region work now completed.
--
aa

Hi aa

You seem to know a lot about ITV, I think I am on Winter Hill but could
possibly being an non techie on such matters be pointing the other way to
Mendip? I am very high up!

ITV/s on Mux 2?? has disappeared, although signal strength is ok, is this
the work ongoing or has the Philips STB on the wane. Should I be worried?

TIA

O

In ,
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

"aa" wrote in message
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In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11
July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales
& ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels
during the course of the days work. It is hoped that work will be
completed by approximately 5pm.

ITV West region work now completed.
--
aa

Hi aa

You seem to know a lot about ITV, I think I am on Winter Hill but could
possibly being an non techie on such matters be pointing the other way
to Mendip? I am very high up!

Hi there. Where abouts are you? I have to head off for lunch right now, but
post back your situation and a brief description about your aerial setup and
I and I'm sure others, will try to help.
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aa

"aa" wrote in message
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In ,
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

"aa" wrote in message
...
In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today, Monday 11
July, to bring into service the new studio equipment for the ITV Wales
& ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels
during the course of the days work. It is hoped that work will be
completed by approximately 5pm.

ITV West region work now completed.
--
aa

Hi aa

You seem to know a lot about ITV, I think I am on Winter Hill but could
possibly being an non techie on such matters be pointing the other way
to Mendip? I am very high up!

Hi there. Where abouts are you? I have to head off for lunch right now,
but post back your situation and a brief description about your aerial
setup and I and I'm sure others, will try to help.
--
aa


Hi,

I am in Liverpool, top floor of house on a hill. No sense of direction so
could be Winterhill or Mendip.

You will laugh at my aerial set up though, I use a little aerial from Argos
with a booster sitting on top of the wardrobe laughing yet Went through a
whole afternoon rigging up a big aerial in the loft and believe me, nothing
works are good as this little aerial. Could, up to Saturday get all the digi
channels and TUTV, since E4 changed onto Freeview they had actually
improved! The only glitch is sometimes get break up from electrical
interference, which I believe an inline attenuator could fix?

Since it has all happened since Saturday I am more inclined to believe it
some sort of transmitter problem

Are you still laughing at the aerial? hey if it works it works, call me
Heath Robinson ;0)

O

oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"aa" wrote in message
...
In ,
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

"aa" wrote in message
...
In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today,
Monday 11 July, to bring into service the new studio equipment
for the ITV Wales & ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels
during the course of the days work. It is hoped that work will
be completed by approximately 5pm.

ITV West region work now completed.
--
aa

Hi aa

You seem to know a lot about ITV, I think I am on Winter Hill but
could possibly being an non techie on such matters be pointing
the other way to Mendip? I am very high up!

Hi there. Where abouts are you? I have to head off for lunch right
now, but post back your situation and a brief description about your
aerial setup and I and I'm sure others, will try to help.
--
aa


Hi,

I am in Liverpool, top floor of house on a hill. No sense of
direction so could be Winterhill or Mendip.

You will laugh at my aerial set up though, I use a little aerial from
Argos with a booster sitting on top of the wardrobe laughing yet
Went through a whole afternoon rigging up a big aerial in the loft
and believe me, nothing works are good as this little aerial. Could,
up to Saturday get all the digi channels and TUTV, since E4 changed
onto Freeview they had actually improved! The only glitch is
sometimes get break up from electrical interference, which I believe
an inline attenuator could fix?

Since it has all happened since Saturday I am more inclined to
believe it some sort of transmitter problem

Are you still laughing at the aerial? hey if it works it works, call
me Heath Robinson ;0)

O

I don't believe it would be possible for you to get any signal from
Mendip, it's over 100 miles south of you.
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Adrian

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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"aa" wrote in message
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In ,
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

"aa" wrote in message
...
In ,
aa wrote:

It is planned to carry out engineering work starting today,
Monday 11 July, to bring into service the new studio equipment
for the ITV Wales & ITV West regions.

Ultimately the only difference DTT viewers will see is the
re-introduction of ITV News Channel.

You are likely to see short breaks and glitches on Mux 2 channels
during the course of the days work. It is hoped that work will
be completed by approximately 5pm.

ITV West region work now completed.
--
aa

Hi aa

You seem to know a lot about ITV, I think I am on Winter Hill but
could possibly being an non techie on such matters be pointing
the other way to Mendip? I am very high up!

Hi there. Where abouts are you? I have to head off for lunch right
now, but post back your situation and a brief description about your
aerial setup and I and I'm sure others, will try to help.
--
aa


Hi,

I am in Liverpool, top floor of house on a hill. No sense of
direction so could be Winterhill or Mendip.

You will laugh at my aerial set up though, I use a little aerial from
Argos with a booster sitting on top of the wardrobe laughing yet
Went through a whole afternoon rigging up a big aerial in the loft
and believe me, nothing works are good as this little aerial. Could,
up to Saturday get all the digi channels and TUTV, since E4 changed
onto Freeview they had actually improved! The only glitch is
sometimes get break up from electrical interference, which I believe
an inline attenuator could fix?

Since it has all happened since Saturday I am more inclined to
believe it some sort of transmitter problem

Are you still laughing at the aerial? hey if it works it works, call
me Heath Robinson ;0)

O

I don't believe it would be possible for you to get any signal from
Mendip, it's over 100 miles south of you.
--
Adrian



Is it really? told you I had no sense of direction. Must be Winter Hill
then.

In ,
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

You seem to know a lot about ITV, I think I am on Winter Hill but could
possibly being an non techie on such matters be pointing the other way
to Mendip? I am very high up!


Certainly not Mendip which is down in Somerset. Most likely Winter Hill or
possibly Storeton (relay of Winter Hill)?

ITV/s on Mux 2?? has disappeared, although signal strength is ok, is this
the work ongoing or has the Philips STB on the wane.
[snip]

I've just had a (quick) look through recent posts in here and in the Digital
Spy (terrestrial) forum and can't see signs of any widespread issues
regarding either of those TX's. An indoor aerial is rarely reliable for
DTT although some lucky people in strong signal areas have few if any
problems. Can you maybe borrow a box from someone to see if that works any
better? An appropriate *outdoor* aerial is usually best for consistently
good DTT reception.

Should I be worried?

Only if you want to receive any of those Mux 2 channels. :)

Good luck.
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aa

"aa" wrote in message
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In ,
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

You seem to know a lot about ITV, I think I am on Winter Hill but could
possibly being an non techie on such matters be pointing the other way
to Mendip? I am very high up!


Certainly not Mendip which is down in Somerset. Most likely Winter Hill
or possibly Storeton (relay of Winter Hill)?

Might be Winter Hill B as a changed of UHF number has vastly improved the
signal strength from a 2 for a 3.5

ITV/s on Mux 2?? has disappeared, although signal strength is ok, is
this
the work ongoing or has the Philips STB on the wane.
[snip]

I've just had a (quick) look through recent posts in here and in the
Digital Spy (terrestrial) forum and can't see signs of any widespread
issues regarding either of those TX's. An indoor aerial is rarely
reliable for DTT although some lucky people in strong signal areas have
few if any problems. Can you maybe borrow a box from someone to see if
that works any better? An appropriate *outdoor* aerial is usually best
for consistently good DTT reception.


Funny that up till Sat all channels were fine?

Should I be worried?

Only if you want to receive any of those Mux 2 channels. :)

Good luck.

Tar for advice
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aa

oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message

I don't believe it would be possible for you to get any signal from
Mendip, it's over 100 miles south of you.

Is it really? told you I had no sense of direction. Must be Winter Hill
then.

Moel-y-Parc ? 25ish miles south west of Liverpool.


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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message

I don't believe it would be possible for you to get any signal from
Mendip, it's over 100 miles south of you.

Is it really? told you I had no sense of direction. Must be Winter Hill
then.

Moel-y-Parc ? 25ish miles south west of Liverpool.


Funny enough I've changed the UHF Number and got the best ever signal
strength, but still no ITV chnanles, hey ho try a process of elimation now.

Could it be Emly Moor, or is that too far?


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Mark
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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

Funny enough I've changed the UHF Number and got the best ever signal
strength, but still no ITV chnanles, hey ho try a process of elimation now.

Could it be Emly Moor, or is that too far?

Wrong side of the Pennies. What local news do you get on BBC 1 (have a look at
1:30, 6:30, or 10:25pm)

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

Funny enough I've changed the UHF Number and got the best ever signal
strength, but still no ITV chnanles, hey ho try a process of elimation
now.

Could it be Emly Moor, or is that too far?

Wrong side of the Pennies. What local news do you get on BBC 1 (have a
look at 1:30, 6:30, or 10:25pm)

--

No definatley Granda/North West News, Winter Hill B?


Mark
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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

Could it be Emly Moor, or is that too far?

Wrong side of the Pennies. What local news do you get on BBC 1 (have a
look at 1:30, 6:30, or 10:25pm)

--


No definatley Granda/North West News, Winter Hill B?

If it's Granada then it will only be Winter Hill or one of its relays. In
Liverpool it's possible it might be Storeton, but no other relay.

Winter Hill B only transmits Muxes C and D. ITV-1, 2, 3, C4, and E4 (but NOT E4+1)
are on Mux 2.

See
http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/tx_n.html


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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

Could it be Emly Moor, or is that too far?

Wrong side of the Pennies. What local news do you get on BBC 1 (have a
look at 1:30, 6:30, or 10:25pm)

--


No definatley Granda/North West News, Winter Hill B?

If it's Granada then it will only be Winter Hill or one of its relays. In
Liverpool it's possible it might be Storeton, but no other relay.

Winter Hill B only transmits Muxes C and D. ITV-1, 2, 3, C4, and E4 (but
NOT E4+1) are on Mux 2.

See
http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/tx_n.html


Thanks Mark, I've studied that closely.

Just tried the box in another room with another aerial (this one is commual
and bit tempermental) UHF number and signal strength is still reading high,
but still no ITV's occasional pic, but very, very bad break up

Now, any advice, would be appriciated

Is it the transmitter???

or should I borrow cough buy another box?

O


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Mark
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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

Thanks Mark, I've studied that closely.

Just tried the box in another room with another aerial (this one is commual
and bit tempermental) UHF number and signal strength is still reading high,
but still no ITV's occasional pic, but very, very bad break up

Now, any advice, would be appriciated

What make box is it ?

Is it the transmitter???

If your transmitter is Winter Hill (can you now confirm this from the info given ?
i.e the UHF channel numbers) I think this newsgroup would be full of reports, as
WH is the second or third largest population coverage transmitter in the UK.
If you're on Storeton then it might a transmitter fault.

There is another factor. The ITV mux from Winter Hill is on UHF Ch66. Channel 4
analogue is UHF Ch65. It's not unknown for adjacent analogue stations to swamp out
DTT muxes. It could be that C4 analogue is stamping across the ITV mux owing to
too much signal. Is there a signal quality (rather than strength) readout on your
box ? A clue would be high strength, but low quality. What does your analogue C4
picture look like ?

A final thing to try is a re-scan. There are reports that ITV etc changed PIDs on
some transmitters yesterday. In non techie talk the implication is you might need
to perform a re-scan to get the channels back.

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message Thanks Mark,
I've studied that closely.

Just tried the box in another room with another aerial (this one is
commual and bit tempermental) UHF number and signal strength is still
reading high, but still no ITV's occasional pic, but very, very bad break
up

Now, any advice, would be appriciated

What make box is it ?

Is it the transmitter???

If your transmitter is Winter Hill (can you now confirm this from the info
given ? i.e the UHF channel numbers) I think this newsgroup would be full
of reports, as WH is the second or third largest population coverage
transmitter in the UK.
If you're on Storeton then it might a transmitter fault.

There is another factor. The ITV mux from Winter Hill is on UHF Ch66.
Channel 4 analogue is UHF Ch65. It's not unknown for adjacent analogue
stations to swamp out DTT muxes. It could be that C4 analogue is stamping
across the ITV mux owing to too much signal. Is there a signal quality
(rather than strength) readout on your box ? A clue would be high
strength, but low quality. What does your analogue C4 picture look like ?

A final thing to try is a re-scan. There are reports that ITV etc changed
PIDs on some transmitters yesterday. In non techie talk the implication is
you might need to perform a re-scan to get the channels back.

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Mark
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It must be Winter Hill, I've used Winter Hill B UHF number 40/43 which gave
a great signal strength but sadly as you said, no ITV. Storeton UHF number
give no signal strength, but Winter Hills give a little. It's now on 66

It's a very old Philips on Digital that I use for TUTV,(conservation area =
no sky dish) which all worked fine up until Sat, Channel four looks grainy,
I am trying a re-scan as we speak.

oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message

It must be Winter Hill, I've used Winter Hill B UHF number 40/43 which gave
a great signal strength but sadly as you said, no ITV. Storeton UHF number
give no signal strength, but Winter Hills give a little. It's now on 66

It's a very old Philips on Digital that I use for TUTV,(conservation area =
no sky dish) which all worked fine up until Sat, Channel four looks grainy,
I am trying a re-scan as we speak.

Sounds as if you need a better aerial. As you go up the UHF band, generally
speaking reception becomes more difficult and the quality and condition of the
components become more important. Channels above UHF 60 can be tricky even in
favourable conditions.

For robust reception the bar graph on that box must read above 2, and the colour a
stable green (not yellow or red).

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Mark
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message It must be
Winter Hill, I've used Winter Hill B UHF number 40/43 which gave a great
signal strength but sadly as you said, no ITV. Storeton UHF number give
no signal strength, but Winter Hills give a little. It's now on 66

It's a very old Philips on Digital that I use for TUTV,(conservation area
= no sky dish) which all worked fine up until Sat, Channel four looks
grainy, I am trying a re-scan as we speak.

Sounds as if you need a better aerial. As you go up the UHF band,
generally speaking reception becomes more difficult and the quality and
condition of the components become more important. Channels above UHF 60
can be tricky even in favourable conditions.

For robust reception the bar graph on that box must read above 2, and the
colour a stable green (not yellow or red).

--
Mark
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Thanks for the advice, I might buy another aerial and try that. Funny enough
UHF 40/43 were over the 4 in green were as 665/66 are around 2.75.

"oscaretta*the*cat" wrote in message
...

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message It must be
Winter Hill, I've used Winter Hill B UHF number 40/43 which gave a great
signal strength but sadly as you said, no ITV. Storeton UHF number give
no signal strength, but Winter Hills give a little. It's now on 66

It's a very old Philips on Digital that I use for TUTV,(conservation
area = no sky dish) which all worked fine up until Sat, Channel four
looks grainy, I am trying a re-scan as we speak.

Sounds as if you need a better aerial. As you go up the UHF band,
generally speaking reception becomes more difficult and the quality and
condition of the components become more important. Channels above UHF 60
can be tricky even in favourable conditions.

For robust reception the bar graph on that box must read above 2, and the
colour a stable green (not yellow or red).

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply

Thanks for the advice, I might buy another aerial and try that. Funny
enough UHF 40/43 were over the 4 in green were as 665/66 are around 2.75.



Bought another aerial and after much tweaking got it and then got the old
one back working. I think the booster was knackered. But fingers crossed,
all working fine, including the top up channels. Mind boggling that an
aerial with a booster on top of the wardrobe works.

oscaretta*the*cat wrote:

Bought another aerial and after much tweaking got it and then got the old
one back working. I think the booster was knackered. But fingers crossed,
all working fine, including the top up channels. Mind boggling that an
aerial with a booster on top of the wardrobe works.

Well done, but don't let Bill Wright ever see it !

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Mark
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:19:44 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

| oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
|
| Bought another aerial and after much tweaking got it and then got the old
| one back working. I think the booster was knackered. But fingers crossed,
| all working fine, including the top up channels. Mind boggling that an
| aerial with a booster on top of the wardrobe works.
|
| Well done, but don't let Bill Wright ever see it !

No send him a photo, for his site ;-)
If he will let you remain anonymous ;-)

--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk In Case of Emergency
Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and
against it enter the number of the person you would want to be
contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9

In ,
aa wrote:

Some welcome news. I've had it on good authority that a cure has
apparently been found today for the EPG data issues that many have
reported in recent weeks since the re-introduction of ITV News Channel.
[snip]

Seems that a 'cure' was *not* to be, a permanent fix still being worked on,
so Arqiva advise me this morning.
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aa

"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:19:44 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

| oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
|
| Bought another aerial and after much tweaking got it and then got the
old
| one back working. I think the booster was knackered. But fingers
crossed,
| all working fine, including the top up channels. Mind boggling that an
| aerial with a booster on top of the wardrobe works.
|
| Well done, but don't let Bill Wright ever see it !

No send him a photo, for his site ;-)
If he will let you remain anonymous ;-)

newbie asks who is Bill Wright?

Very pleased at result, I might however try and find a better booster today.
My neighbours are taking the new aerial and booster off me as it has tuned
in their digital telly to all channels!

Strangely enough retried the Winter Hill B UHF numbers and the mux 2
channels work fine!


--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk In Case of Emergency
Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and
against it enter the number of the person you would want to be
contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9

oscaretta*the*cat wrote:
..
|
| Well done, but don't let Bill Wright ever see it !

No send him a photo, for his site ;-)
If he will let you remain anonymous ;-)


newbie asks who is Bill Wright?

Highly regarded contributor to this group

http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/


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Mark
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Mind boggling that an
aerial with a booster on top of the wardrobe works.

Well done, but don't let Bill Wright ever see it !

Some years ago I was offered medication that was at the time
controversial. The specialist said "Look, I don't give a ****"(he was
from Yorkshire)" about whether it's approved, kosher, pukka, or even
politially correct. If it works for my patient I'm gonna use it." He
did use it and it did work. That's my attitude to aerials on wardrobes,
with or without boosters.

Bill

wrote in message
oups.com...


Mind boggling that an
aerial with a booster on top of the wardrobe works.

Well done, but don't let Bill Wright ever see it !

Some years ago I was offered medication that was at the time
controversial. The specialist said "Look, I don't give a ****"(he was
from Yorkshire)" about whether it's approved, kosher, pukka, or even
politially correct. If it works for my patient I'm gonna use it." He
did use it and it did work. That's my attitude to aerials on wardrobes,
with or without boosters.

Bill

Health and safety won't like it though. It's OK until you get your ankle
tangled in the lead when you jump off . 8-)

Keith