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Roger April 14th 05 12:51 AM

Satellite speakers connected to sub or receiver?
 

Kalman Rubinson April 14th 05 01:37 AM

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:51:56 -0400, (Roger)
wrote:

I have JBL satellite speakers currently connected to my Sony STR-DE945
They are rated at 120 watts. i have a 250 watt JBL sub.ran by a high end
Monster sub cable (25ft.) I have had this setup for about 2 yrs . While
I was at a high end Audio Video store (Ovation) I was told I would get
better reception from my satellites IF I connected them to my sub
instead of my receiver and I would notice considerable difference
especially while listening to CD's or for that matter anything! ........
Any thoughts on the matter or should I leave well enough alone? MY
fear is the sub amp.might BLOW the sats.


1. The sub amp won't blow the sats because the sub amp won't be
driving them.
2. If you are using the RCA connection (Monster or not) to the sub,
you cannot connect the sats to the sub without buying another
amplifier.
3. The only way to connect the sats to the sub would be to use speaker
cables to the sub so that the Sony's amps can drive the sats while the
sub picks off the LF.
4. The advantage of (3) is that the sub probably has a crossover
network which will remove the extreme LF from the the sats and, in
fact, will permit them to handle even greater signal input than
before.
5. Of course, the JBL has to have speaker-level inputs and outputs for
this to work. You do not specify the model nor am I familiar with JBL
subs but your owner's manual should detail this.

Kal


Kalman Rubinson April 14th 05 03:33 AM

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:21:57 -0500, steve wrote:



Kalman Rubinson wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:51:56 -0400, (Roger)
wrote:

I have JBL satellite speakers currently connected to my Sony STR-DE945
They are rated at 120 watts. i have a 250 watt JBL sub.ran by a high end
Monster sub cable (25ft.) I have had this setup for about 2 yrs . While
I was at a high end Audio Video store (Ovation) I was told I would get
better reception from my satellites IF I connected them to my sub
instead of my receiver and I would notice considerable difference
especially while listening to CD's or for that matter anything! ........
Any thoughts on the matter or should I leave well enough alone? MY
fear is the sub amp.might BLOW the sats.


1. The sub amp won't blow the sats because the sub amp won't be
driving them.
2. If you are using the RCA connection (Monster or not) to the sub,
you cannot connect the sats to the sub without buying another
amplifier.
3. The only way to connect the sats to the sub would be to use speaker
cables to the sub so that the Sony's amps can drive the sats while the
sub picks off the LF.
4. The advantage of (3) is that the sub probably has a crossover
network which will remove the extreme LF from the the sats and, in
fact, will permit them to handle even greater signal input than
before.
5. Of course, the JBL has to have speaker-level inputs and outputs for
this to work. You do not specify the model nor am I familiar with JBL
subs but your owner's manual should detail this.


If he does option 3, then the only bass the sub will get is from the
sat's. I'd stay away from that salesman if I were him. That is not the
way to setup HT.


You are right. I had assumed that the receiver/system was only
2channel (stereo). He would be best to leave things as they are.

Kal




steve April 14th 05 04:21 AM



Kalman Rubinson wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:51:56 -0400, (Roger)
wrote:

I have JBL satellite speakers currently connected to my Sony STR-DE945
They are rated at 120 watts. i have a 250 watt JBL sub.ran by a high end
Monster sub cable (25ft.) I have had this setup for about 2 yrs . While
I was at a high end Audio Video store (Ovation) I was told I would get
better reception from my satellites IF I connected them to my sub
instead of my receiver and I would notice considerable difference
especially while listening to CD's or for that matter anything! ........
Any thoughts on the matter or should I leave well enough alone? MY
fear is the sub amp.might BLOW the sats.


1. The sub amp won't blow the sats because the sub amp won't be
driving them.
2. If you are using the RCA connection (Monster or not) to the sub,
you cannot connect the sats to the sub without buying another
amplifier.
3. The only way to connect the sats to the sub would be to use speaker
cables to the sub so that the Sony's amps can drive the sats while the
sub picks off the LF.
4. The advantage of (3) is that the sub probably has a crossover
network which will remove the extreme LF from the the sats and, in
fact, will permit them to handle even greater signal input than
before.
5. Of course, the JBL has to have speaker-level inputs and outputs for
this to work. You do not specify the model nor am I familiar with JBL
subs but your owner's manual should detail this.


If he does option 3, then the only bass the sub will get is from the
sat's. I'd stay away from that salesman if I were him. That is not the
way to setup HT.

Swallowtail April 14th 05 05:10 PM


"steve" wrote in message
...


Kalman Rubinson wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:51:56 -0400, (Roger)
wrote:

I have JBL satellite speakers currently connected to my Sony STR-DE945
They are rated at 120 watts. i have a 250 watt JBL sub.ran by a high end
Monster sub cable (25ft.) I have had this setup for about 2 yrs . While
I was at a high end Audio Video store (Ovation) I was told I would get
better reception from my satellites IF I connected them to my sub
instead of my receiver and I would notice considerable difference
especially while listening to CD's or for that matter anything! ........
Any thoughts on the matter or should I leave well enough alone? MY
fear is the sub amp.might BLOW the sats.


1. The sub amp won't blow the sats because the sub amp won't be
driving them.
2. If you are using the RCA connection (Monster or not) to the sub,
you cannot connect the sats to the sub without buying another
amplifier.
3. The only way to connect the sats to the sub would be to use speaker
cables to the sub so that the Sony's amps can drive the sats while the
sub picks off the LF.
4. The advantage of (3) is that the sub probably has a crossover
network which will remove the extreme LF from the the sats and, in
fact, will permit them to handle even greater signal input than
before.
5. Of course, the JBL has to have speaker-level inputs and outputs for
this to work. You do not specify the model nor am I familiar with JBL
subs but your owner's manual should detail this.


If he does option 3, then the only bass the sub will get is from the
sat's. I'd stay away from that salesman if I were him. That is not the
way to setup HT.


Someday, I'm going to write a book called "The Home Theaters of Retail Home
Theater Salesmen." It's going to have big pictures of the janky set-ups
that most of these people seem to have. And nice, long equipment lists
like:

"2 MTX SuperTube 'Subwoofers'"
"1 'PowerAide' 1200W RMS Car audio amplifier"
"220 to 12 volt power transformer to power the car amplifier."
1 Sony Dolby-Digital Ready Receiver
5 x Speakers from a Kenwood HTIB
1 Xbox




Jeremy Gillow April 14th 05 11:20 PM

"Swallowtail" wrote in message
...

"steve" wrote in message
...


Kalman Rubinson wrote:

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:51:56 -0400, (Roger)
wrote:

I have JBL satellite speakers currently connected to my Sony STR-DE945
They are rated at 120 watts. i have a 250 watt JBL sub.ran by a high

end
Monster sub cable (25ft.) I have had this setup for about 2 yrs .

While
I was at a high end Audio Video store (Ovation) I was told I would get
better reception from my satellites IF I connected them to my sub
instead of my receiver and I would notice considerable difference
especially while listening to CD's or for that matter anything!

.........
Any thoughts on the matter or should I leave well enough alone? MY
fear is the sub amp.might BLOW the sats.

1. The sub amp won't blow the sats because the sub amp won't be
driving them.
2. If you are using the RCA connection (Monster or not) to the sub,
you cannot connect the sats to the sub without buying another
amplifier.
3. The only way to connect the sats to the sub would be to use speaker
cables to the sub so that the Sony's amps can drive the sats while the
sub picks off the LF.
4. The advantage of (3) is that the sub probably has a crossover
network which will remove the extreme LF from the the sats and, in
fact, will permit them to handle even greater signal input than
before.
5. Of course, the JBL has to have speaker-level inputs and outputs for
this to work. You do not specify the model nor am I familiar with JBL
subs but your owner's manual should detail this.


If he does option 3, then the only bass the sub will get is from the
sat's. I'd stay away from that salesman if I were him. That is not the
way to setup HT.


Someday, I'm going to write a book called "The Home Theaters of Retail

Home
Theater Salesmen." It's going to have big pictures of the janky set-ups
that most of these people seem to have. And nice, long equipment lists
like:

"2 MTX SuperTube 'Subwoofers'"
"1 'PowerAide' 1200W RMS Car audio amplifier"
"220 to 12 volt power transformer to power the car amplifier."
1 Sony Dolby-Digital Ready Receiver
5 x Speakers from a Kenwood HTIB
1 Xbox


Haha that's hilarious but definitely true for some of the idiots. A
1200watt car sub has gotta be nicer than a 400watt HT sub right? Put some
blue cathode lights on it and it will sound way better. Looking for a
co-author? :)

Jeremy
- A (competent) retail home theater salesman

My long equipment list:
2 x Athena AS-F1
1 x Athena AS-C1
4 x Athena AS-B1
1 x JBL E150P (hopefully SVS 20-39PCi soon)
Pioneer VSX-1015TX (replaced Onkyo 502)
Sony DVP-NS775V (long live SACD)
Pioneer CLD-S350 (for those few LDs I have)
Xbox (who doesn't?)
MonsterPower HTS1000MKII (Panamax if I had more money, Equi=tech if I was
rich)
ESA 27" CRT (maybe InFocus SP4805 someday)



steve April 15th 05 01:12 AM



Swallowtail wrote:


Someday, I'm going to write a book called "The Home Theaters of Retail Home
Theater Salesmen." It's going to have big pictures of the janky set-ups
that most of these people seem to have. And nice, long equipment lists
like:

"2 MTX SuperTube 'Subwoofers'"
"1 'PowerAide' 1200W RMS Car audio amplifier"
"220 to 12 volt power transformer to power the car amplifier."
1 Sony Dolby-Digital Ready Receiver
5 x Speakers from a Kenwood HTIB
1 Xbox


What about the salesman from the movie "Boogie Nights", and the
Rodriguez (sp) cartoons from Stereo Review mag?

[email protected] April 15th 05 05:23 AM


Jeremy Gillow wrote:

snip
Jeremy
- A (competent) retail home theater salesman

My long equipment list:
2 x Athena AS-F1
1 x Athena AS-C1
4 x Athena AS-B1
1 x JBL E150P (hopefully SVS 20-39PCi soon)
Pioneer VSX-1015TX (replaced Onkyo 502)
Sony DVP-NS775V (long live SACD)
Pioneer CLD-S350 (for those few LDs I have)
Xbox (who doesn't?)
MonsterPower HTS1000MKII (Panamax if I had more money, Equi=tech if I

was
rich)
ESA 27" CRT (maybe InFocus SP4805 someday)


OK, you're a competent retail home theater salesman. But why is one of
your fondest wishes (apparently) upgrade-wise to spend megabucks on a
line-conditioner/surge-suppressor? I'm clueless as to the advantages.

Thanks,

Jeff


T April 15th 05 05:36 AM

Swallowtail wrote:


Someday, I'm going to write a book called "The Home Theaters of Retail Home
Theater Salesmen." It's going to have big pictures of the janky set-ups
that most of these people seem to have. And nice, long equipment lists
like:

"2 MTX SuperTube 'Subwoofers'"
"1 'PowerAide' 1200W RMS Car audio amplifier"
"220 to 12 volt power transformer to power the car amplifier."
1 Sony Dolby-Digital Ready Receiver
5 x Speakers from a Kenwood HTIB
1 Xbox


Hey!

I'm going to find those surveillance cameras, you cant hide them forever!


TBerk

Jeremy Gillow April 15th 05 06:21 AM

Heh I have no intention to buy one, I just know that equi=tech is reputed as
being one of the best for ultra-high end systems. A while back I watched
several movies in a friend's home theater that used equi=tech and wouldn't
hesitate to buy from them IF I was looking for that class of product. As
things stand, I would certainly upgrade other components before focusing on
power delivery, since it would seem wasteful to spend more on a conditioner
than on the sum of all the connected devices ;)

Jeremy

wrote in message
oups.com...

Jeremy Gillow wrote:

snip
Jeremy
- A (competent) retail home theater salesman

My long equipment list:
2 x Athena AS-F1
1 x Athena AS-C1
4 x Athena AS-B1
1 x JBL E150P (hopefully SVS 20-39PCi soon)
Pioneer VSX-1015TX (replaced Onkyo 502)
Sony DVP-NS775V (long live SACD)
Pioneer CLD-S350 (for those few LDs I have)
Xbox (who doesn't?)
MonsterPower HTS1000MKII (Panamax if I had more money, Equi=tech if I

was
rich)
ESA 27" CRT (maybe InFocus SP4805 someday)


OK, you're a competent retail home theater salesman. But why is one of
your fondest wishes (apparently) upgrade-wise to spend megabucks on a
line-conditioner/surge-suppressor? I'm clueless as to the advantages.

Thanks,

Jeff




Large Farva April 15th 05 06:39 PM

If this is the same guy that sold you that pile of junk Monster Cable, I'd
stay far far far away from anything he has to say.


"Roger" wrote in message
...
I have JBL satellite speakers currently connected to my Sony STR-DE945
They are rated at 120 watts. i have a 250 watt JBL sub.ran by a high end
Monster sub cable (25ft.) I have had this setup for about 2 yrs . While
I was at a high end Audio Video store (Ovation) I was told I would get
better reception from my satellites IF I connected them to my sub
instead of my receiver and I would notice considerable difference
especially while listening to CD's or for that matter anything! ........
Any thoughts on the matter or should I leave well enough alone? MY
fear is the sub amp.might BLOW the sats.





bodyaThese words are from "THE VOICE OF ROG~"



[email protected] April 16th 05 01:02 AM


Jeremy Gillow wrote:
Heh I have no intention to buy one, I just know that equi=tech is

reputed as
being one of the best for ultra-high end systems. A while back I

watched
several movies in a friend's home theater that used equi=tech and

wouldn't
hesitate to buy from them IF I was looking for that class of product.

As
things stand, I would certainly upgrade other components before

focusing on
power delivery, since it would seem wasteful to spend more on a

conditioner
than on the sum of all the connected devices ;)

Jeremy


Thanks for the clarification. I suppose I just could have assumed that
was your plan, but I didn't want to put words in your mouth!
I have no experience with line conditioners of any sort, so by default,
I am skeptical of their value in all but the highest-end systems. A
sort of uneducated opinion, I guess. Just like a lot of other hi-fi
tweaks, some seem to swear by them, some claim they are snake-oil. The
truth is probably somewhere between the 2 extremes. : )

Jeff


steve April 17th 05 05:19 AM



Bill wrote:


If you want real improvement, go to your local computer shop and buy a
$200-300 online sine-wave Uninterruptible Power System (UPS). It will do
everything the fancy line conditioners do, plus add backup power during
brief power failures, for a lot less.


I've got an $50 APC 500KVA that has separate filtered outlets and
battery outlets. My TV and receiver are on the filtered outlets, and
Dish PVR, VCR and DVD/R are on the battery. I've got commercial power
filters I tried, but couldn't tell any difference in performance since
even the most average consumer gear has good enough filtering in the PS.
If you're going to spend the money, get a balanced power conditioner.


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