Impressions of HDTV.
 

Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP rearpro set
(Panasonic I think).

I was somewhat underwhelmed - it had a grainy appearance and a poor off-centre
response due to the rearpro screen and looked no better than the
projector/screen system we have at work in the conference room. Surely a better
demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?

JPG

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Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP
rearpro set
(Panasonic I think).

I was somewhat underwhelmed - it had a grainy appearance and a poor
off-centre
response due to the rearpro screen and looked no better than the
projector/screen system we have at work in the conference room. Surely a
better
demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?


Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.

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David wrote:


demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.

Ad wrote:
David wrote:


demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.


Why are you incapable of writing the word 'does'? You ALWAYS write 'do'
when you should write 'does':

"That do not make sense, surley it do not cost any more to increase the
bit rate"

"Do anyone know what Mustek have to do with Goodmans?"

"3G do not offer anything that I do not do already, that is make and
receive calls."

Who are you, Vicky Pollard's brother or sumfink?


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David wrote:


demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do not
look good for HDTV then.

Not - at least - until they've got shot of their old stock...........

Chas

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:05:34 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

Ad wrote:
David wrote:


demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.


Why are you incapable of writing the word 'does'? You ALWAYS write 'do'
when you should write 'does':

I find it more annoying that he ALWAYS writes 'got' instead of 'have'
or 'has':

"I am not a fan of ABC1, but it got to be better than another ITV
channel"

"after all, if we got to fork out for a digital box, we should get
something for our money."

"Anyway, unless you got a huge room, you may as well stay with a
normal CRT set"

"I expect you got bad analogue then, those of us with very good
analogue can tell the difference and digital is very poor."

"As I said, people in this country got no guts"

Very annoying.

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Chas Gill wrote:

Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do not
look good for HDTV then.


Not - at least - until they've got shot of their old stock...........


Which will take a long time then.

Charlie Pearce wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:05:34 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

Ad wrote:
David wrote:

Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.


Why are you incapable of writing the word 'does'? You ALWAYS write 'do'
when you should write 'does':

I find it more annoying that he ALWAYS writes 'got' instead of 'have'
or 'has':


I do not see why you've got to do this sort of pedantry .

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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:



Why are you incapable of writing the word 'does'? You ALWAYS write 'do'
when you should write 'does':

"That do not make sense, surley it do not cost any more to increase the
bit rate"

"Do anyone know what Mustek have to do with Goodmans?"

"3G do not offer anything that I do not do already, that is make and
receive calls."

Who are you, Vicky Pollard's brother or sumfink?


You got no argrument, so you have a go at my grammar instead, typical.

demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.


I've got a nice little demo you can have a look at, if you're anywhere near
Bradford.....

JPG wrote:
Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP
rearpro set (Panasonic I think).

I was somewhat underwhelmed - it had a grainy appearance and a poor
off-centre response due to the rearpro screen and looked no better
than the projector/screen system we have at work in the conference
room. Surely a better demo would be straight HD video on a good
quality HD Plasma or LCD?

JPG

Sounds like a combination of poor setup and grainy source material. I've
seen HD displays at Wal-Mart and a proper setup with a good source can blow
you away.

Even with my antique (donated by a friend) TV hooked to an HD-STB the
picture is sharper & cleaner than DVD. That and the price of programming
isn't bad (free).

Don't worry, HD will get better in the UK, once HD-DVD takes off.

;-)

Andrew Cheadle
Dover, DE, USA
watching HD from Baltimore & Philadelphia.

Charlie Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:05:34 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

Ad wrote:
David wrote:


demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or
LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it
do not look good for HDTV then.


Why are you incapable of writing the word 'does'? You ALWAYS write
'do' when you should write 'does':

I find it more annoying that he ALWAYS writes 'got' instead of 'have'
or 'has':

"I am not a fan of ABC1, but it got to be better than another ITV
channel"

"after all, if we got to fork out for a digital box, we should get
something for our money."

"Anyway, unless you got a huge room, you may as well stay with a
normal CRT set"

"I expect you got bad analogue then, those of us with very good
analogue can tell the difference and digital is very poor."

"As I said, people in this country got no guts"

Very annoying.

Charlie

I don't know why people don't just killfile the illiterate luddite. ;-)
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Charlie Pearce wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:05:34 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

Ad wrote:
David wrote:

Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it
do
not look good for HDTV then.


Why are you incapable of writing the word 'does'? You ALWAYS write 'do'
when you should write 'does':

I find it more annoying that he ALWAYS writes 'got' instead of 'have'
or 'has':


I do not see why you've got to do this sort of pedantry .

I does not either.


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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:04:10 +0100, JPG
wrote:

Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP rearpro set
(Panasonic I think).

Out of interest, how was the material being fed to the screen? AIUI
the only devices that will give a proper HD output are the HDTV STBs
in the USA and Australia (which wouldn't have anything to pick up),
HD-DVD players (which haven't hit the market yet) or PCs with a DVI
output. Since it's Comet we're talking about I wouldn't be all that
surprised if the high definition of the picture had been lost
somewhere along the way...

Charlie

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JPG wrote:
Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP
rearpro set (Panasonic I think).

I was somewhat underwhelmed - it had a grainy appearance and a poor
off-centre response due to the rearpro screen and looked no better
than the projector/screen system we have at work in the conference
room. Surely a better demo would be straight HD video on a good
quality HD Plasma or LCD?

JPG

Sounds like a combination of poor setup and grainy source material. I've
seen HD displays at Wal-Mart and a proper setup with a good source can
blow
you away.

Even with my antique (donated by a friend) TV hooked to an HD-STB the
picture is sharper & cleaner than DVD. That and the price of programming
isn't bad (free).

Don't worry, HD will get better in the UK, once HD-DVD takes off.

;-)


Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV :O(



Andrew Cheadle
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watching HD from Baltimore & Philadelphia.

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JPG wrote:
Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP
rearpro set (Panasonic I think).

I was somewhat underwhelmed - it had a grainy appearance and a poor
off-centre response due to the rearpro screen and looked no better
than the projector/screen system we have at work in the conference
room. Surely a better demo would be straight HD video on a good
quality HD Plasma or LCD?

JPG

Sounds like a combination of poor setup and grainy source material. I've
seen HD displays at Wal-Mart and a proper setup with a good source can
blow
you away.

Even with my antique (donated by a friend) TV hooked to an HD-STB the
picture is sharper & cleaner than DVD. That and the price of programming
isn't bad (free).

Don't worry, HD will get better in the UK, once HD-DVD takes off.

;-)


Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV :O(

And this would be a bad thing?

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Adrian wrote:


I don't know why people don't just killfile the illiterate luddite. ;-)

Oh **** off you ****ing ****

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JPG wrote:
Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP
rearpro set (Panasonic I think).

I was somewhat underwhelmed - it had a grainy appearance and a poor
off-centre response due to the rearpro screen and looked no better
than the projector/screen system we have at work in the conference
room. Surely a better demo would be straight HD video on a good
quality HD Plasma or LCD?

JPG

Sounds like a combination of poor setup and grainy source material.
I've
seen HD displays at Wal-Mart and a proper setup with a good source can
blow
you away.

Even with my antique (donated by a friend) TV hooked to an HD-STB the
picture is sharper & cleaner than DVD. That and the price of
programming
isn't bad (free).

Don't worry, HD will get better in the UK, once HD-DVD takes off.

;-)


Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV :O(

And this would be a bad thing?

Yes full of soaps.


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Adrian wrote:


I don't know why people don't just killfile the illiterate luddite. ;-)

Oh **** off you ****ing ****

Ah, le mot juste.

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JPG wrote:
Saw a demo in Comet yesterday. It was filmed material on a 50" DLP
rearpro set (Panasonic I think).

I was somewhat underwhelmed - it had a grainy appearance and a poor
off-centre response due to the rearpro screen and looked no better
than the projector/screen system we have at work in the conference
room. Surely a better demo would be straight HD video on a good
quality HD Plasma or LCD?

JPG

Sounds like a combination of poor setup and grainy source material.
I've seen HD displays at Wal-Mart and a proper setup with a good
source can blow you away.

Even with my antique (donated by a friend) TV hooked to an HD-STB the
picture is sharper & cleaner than DVD. That and the price of
programming isn't bad (free).

Don't worry, HD will get better in the UK, once HD-DVD takes off.

;-)


Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV :O(

I would be more than happy with 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial
digital TV if they were all Hi-Def, though I expect you could have a
dozen or more once analogue is switched off.
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Charlie Pearce wrote:
: Out of interest, how was the material being fed to the screen? AIUI
: the only devices that will give a proper HD output are the HDTV STBs
: in the USA and Australia (which wouldn't have anything to pick up),
: HD-DVD players (which haven't hit the market yet) or PCs with a DVI
: output.

How about an HDTV Set Top Box for the Euro1080 service?
That most certainly *would* have something to pick up!

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Charlie Pearce wrote:
: Out of interest, how was the material being fed to the screen? AIUI
: the only devices that will give a proper HD output are the HDTV STBs
: in the USA and Australia (which wouldn't have anything to pick up),
: HD-DVD players (which haven't hit the market yet) or PCs with a DVI
: output.

How about an HDTV Set Top Box for the Euro1080 service?
That most certainly *would* have something to pick up!

Ah, yes. My mistake.

Charlie

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Drewdawg wrote:

Don't worry, HD will get better in the UK, once HD-DVD takes off.

Just like SD, then!


I would have thought the biggest factor is whether the BBC and ITV start HD
transmissions.

Terrestrial transmissions are probably only possible after analogue switch off
and then only if the government forgoes flogging of the bandwidth.

If the BBC started satellite transmissions people might need two STBs - one for
HD and one for regular ITV and channels 4 & 5, though whatever box SKY produce
for their own HD service might be the answer.

To much dependance on Sky for my liking,

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Charlie Pearce wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:05:34 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

Ad wrote:
David wrote:

Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it
do
not look good for HDTV then.


Why are you incapable of writing the word 'does'? You ALWAYS write 'do'
when you should write 'does':

I find it more annoying that he ALWAYS writes 'got' instead of 'have'
or 'has':


I do not see why you've got to do this sort of pedantry .

It is not a matter a having to, but a matter of being helpful.


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Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV :O(

I cannot see it appearing on terrestrial. Satellite broadcasting is going
to lead the way.


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John Porcella wrote:
Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV :O(


I cannot see it appearing on terrestrial.

HDTV with H264 only needs about twice the bandwidth of SD with MPEG2.
Many channels (such as home shopping) don't need to be HD and don't have
any regional variations so they can be tucked away on a SFN taking up
hardly any room at all. I see no reason (from a spectrum planning point
of view) why the mainstream channels couldn't go HD on terrestrial after
analogue switchoff.

John Porcella wrote:
Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV :O(


I cannot see it appearing on terrestrial. Satellite broadcasting is going
to lead the way.


Cable companies can also do this quite easily. Since both of the major
UK cable companies are launching narrowcast Video on demand services,
this would be quite an easy way to deliver some server-based HD content.
Telewest's PVR box (launched later this year) will be HD compatible.
It might be while before they can deliver broadcast HD though.

Buffalo2102 wrote:
John Porcella wrote:
Well I hope not HDTV uses about 5 times the bandwidth which means
we would be back to 5 or 6 channels on our terrestrial digital TV
:O(


I cannot see it appearing on terrestrial. Satellite broadcasting is
going to lead the way.


Cable companies can also do this quite easily. Since both of the
major UK cable companies are launching narrowcast Video on demand
services, this would be quite an easy way to deliver some
server-based HD content. Telewest's PVR box (launched later this
year) will be HD compatible.
It might be while before they can deliver broadcast HD though.

How much bandwidth is available via UK cable? In the US most cable companies
utilize from 54MHz (our VHF 2) up to around 500MHz for analogue and 500MHz
to 800MHz for digital channels (where s/n is a problem for analogue).
That's a lot of space for HD content to mingle with SD digital.

Besides, don't we all use QAM? On that we can agree. ;-)

Now if we can iron out the whole 50hz vs. 60hz thing. :-(

Mat Overton wrote:
demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.


I've got a nice little demo you can have a look at, if you're anywhere near
Bradford.....


The chances of me being anywhere near Bradford in the next 30 years is
remote.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:11:35 +0100, Ad wrote:
David wrote:


demo would be straight HD video on a good quality HD Plasma or LCD?



Would not trust Comet, Currys, Dixons or the like for a demo.


Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.

My local Comet were beaming VH1 into the Freeview-branded display. Their
salesman even tried to convince me that that station was available on
Freeview...

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Soruk wrote:

Since 99% of the people will buy their systems from these shops, it do
not look good for HDTV then.


My local Comet were beaming VH1 into the Freeview-branded display. Their
salesman even tried to convince me that that station was available on
Freeview...


Yep, that is what they do. You really got to have your head screwed on
if you do not want to be fed rubbish. You either got to know what you
want or have someone with you that knows a little bit about the product
you want to buy.