Interesting TSV on QVC ?
 

JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive before
copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal speed
or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby digital on
the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the internet
anywhere.

"The Wizard" wrote in message
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JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive
before copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal speed
or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the internet
anywhere.


Is this the same?
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-a.../200543/prices

"James & Sophie" wrote in message
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"The Wizard" wrote in message
...
JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive
before copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal
speed or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the
internet anywhere.


Is this the same?
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-a.../200543/prices

I'm wondering though the image does look different to the one that's on the
front page at www.qvcuk.com ( I wondered why the H was added on your link in
the model number) Some slight difference Besides the H of course? :-)

The Wizard wrote:

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby
digital on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?


Sadly, none of the present DVD recorders do 5.1 recording. Philips has a
model in the USA that does it, but they've not launched a PAL version
over here. All the others record in DD2.0 (stereo in other words).

Pity, because it's definitely the feature that I'd want in my next
recorder.

Regards

Mark

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:07:40 -0000, "James & Sophie"
wrote:


"The Wizard" wrote in message
...
JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive
before copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal speed
or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the internet
anywhere.


Is this the same?
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-a.../200543/prices

Unsurprisingly selling for nearly 100 pounds less than QVC.


--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"The Wizard" wrote in message
...
JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive
before copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal speed
or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the internet
anywhere.


Check if it has RGB Input via SCART if you want the best quality recordings
from a Freeview or Sky set top box. Some Japanese DVD Recorders don't
support RGB in (just RGB out) - which reduces the quality of digital
recordings.

Steve

Stephen Neal wrote:

Check if it has RGB Input via SCART if you want the best quality
recordings from a Freeview or Sky set top box.

By a fraction, which on anything under 32" won't be descernable.

Some Japanese DVD Recorders don't support RGB in (just RGB out) -

Only first generation models. All the latest Toshibas, Pioneers, Sonys,
Panasonics and what have you, now have RGB in as well as out.

Regards

Mark

"Mark A" wrote in message
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Stephen Neal wrote:

Check if it has RGB Input via SCART if you want the best quality
recordings from a Freeview or Sky set top box.

By a fraction, which on anything under 32" won't be descernable.

Hardly. Composite video is appalling compared to a good RGB source, this is
easily visible on pretty much any TV when compared side by side.

Hellraiser.........

Hellraiser wrote:

By a fraction, which on anything under 32" won't be descernable.

Hardly. Composite video is appalling compared to a good RGB source,
this is easily visible on pretty much any TV when compared side by
side.

Who said anything about composite? I was talking about S-Video, which is
only fractionally less better than RGB, especially on smaller sets such
as 32" and below.

Regards

Mark

"Stephen Neal" wrote in message
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"The Wizard" wrote in message
...
JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive
before copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal
speed or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the
internet anywhere.


Check if it has RGB Input via SCART if you want the best quality
recordings from a Freeview or Sky set top box. Some Japanese DVD Recorders
don't support RGB in (just RGB out) - which reduces the quality of digital
recordings.

Well, I know my Panasonic DMR-E50 does.
I'm wondering yet whether they use the PCB as the HD models and whether it
would be simply a case of slapping an HD inside?

I know I'm going way back to the Commodore Amiga computers (Still having the
IDE connector inside them whether an HD model or not) but a little pointless
opening up if it can't be upgraded or added to.

Nigel Barker wrote:

Unsurprisingly selling for nearly 100 pounds less than QVC.

I've bought the occasional item from QVC and they were all
well-priced. In their defence I must point out that they offer a free
phone number from overseas for ordering, they have cheap postage to
overseas and they also offer what must be the best no-quibble
money-back guarantee of any company.

Many discount electrical vendors in the UK don't ship overseas at all,
and more fool them.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
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No monies return'd. ;-)

Mark A wrote:

Who said anything about composite? I was talking about S-Video,

How many Sky and Freeview boxes have S-Video outputs?

RGB/scart is the European standard. S-Video is for the Americans, and
they are welcome to it.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
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"Jomtien" wrote in message
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How many Sky and Freeview boxes have S-Video outputs?
RGB/scart is the European standard. S-Video is for the Americans, and
they are welcome to it.

Hardly, s-video is also a "standard" for camcorders world wide.

Loz

Jomtien wrote:

How many Sky and Freeview boxes have S-Video outputs?


Both my Pace Sky+ box and my Haupage Freeview box do, as it happens,
though I actually connect both up via RGB. But the S-Video feeds on both
are excellent, even on my 50" TV.

Regards

Mark

loz wrote:

How many Sky and Freeview boxes have S-Video outputs?
RGB/scart is the European standard. S-Video is for the Americans, and
they are welcome to it.

Hardly, s-video is also a "standard" for camcorders world wide.

I don't have a camcorder, nor do I want one. Any device using S-Video
as its best output has basically been designed for the US market.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Mark A wrote:

How many Sky and Freeview boxes have S-Video outputs?

Both my Pace Sky+ box and my Haupage Freeview box do, as it happens,
though I actually connect both up via RGB. But the S-Video feeds on both
are excellent, even on my 50" TV.

No regular Sky box in current production has S-Video. Sky+ does have
it, though pretty much as an afterthought. Few Freeview boxes have it.

S-Video is a poor quality US standard that has been thrust upon an
unwitting Europe by manufacturers who are too idle/cheap to produce
quality RGB/scart equipment.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Jomtien wrote:

Sky+ does have it, though pretty much as an afterthought.

So you were there at the design meetings of Pace and Sky then?

Few Freeview boxes have it.

I've bought two in my time and they both had it. Over scart, mind, but
they still had it as an option.

S-Video is a poor quality US standard that has been thrust upon an
unwitting Europe by manufacturers who are too idle/cheap to produce
quality RGB/scart equipment.

Bull**** on every count. It's neither specifically American, nor poor
quality. It's used, for example, as the standard by which all DVDs are
stored internally on the disc.

Almost any and all European equipment I've ever encountered that has
S-Video also has RGB. It's entirely up to the user which one they wish
to use.

Regards

Mark

"Jomtien" wrote in message
...

How many Sky and Freeview boxes have S-Video outputs?
RGB/scart is the European standard. S-Video is for the Americans, and
they are welcome to it.

Hardly, s-video is also a "standard" for camcorders world wide.

I don't have a camcorder, nor do I want one. Any device using S-Video
as its best output has basically been designed for the US market.

So every camcorder in the world was designed soly for the US then I
guess....

Note, most modern DV camcorders have a digital output for best quality, with
s-video as the best analog signal.

Not defending that s-video is better than RGB/Scart or vice versa, just that
s-video has wider applicability than the US

S-Video is a poor quality US standard that has been thrust upon an
unwitting Europe by manufacturers who are too idle/cheap to produce
quality RGB/scart equipment.

Bull**** on every count. It's neither specifically American, nor poor
quality. It's used, for example, as the standard by which all DVDs are
stored internally on the disc.

Huh? I was under the impression DVDs were stored in digital format, Svideo
is an analogue medium. Perhaps you ought to develop an understanding of
MPEG2 video.

Hellraiser.........

Hellraiser wrote:

I was under the impression DVDs were stored in digital format, Svideo
is an analogue medium.

Yeah, you're right, it's stored in YUV, not Y/C (S-Vid), my brain fart,
sorry. Still doesn't change the fact that S-Video in not a 'poor' form
of connection.

A jolly good run down can be found at:

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#0

or another one at:

http://www.disctronics.co.uk/downloa...s/dvdvideo.pdf

Regards

Mark

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:21:14 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:07:40 -0000, "James & Sophie"
wrote:


"The Wizard" wrote in message
...
JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive
before copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal speed
or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the internet
anywhere.


Is this the same?
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-a.../200543/prices

Unsurprisingly selling for nearly 100 pounds less than QVC.

I was impressed by the front firewire connection.

Wish I`d saved the page now....


Bye for now.

Clive.

"Clive Savage" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:21:14 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:07:40 -0000, "James & Sophie"

wrote:


"The Wizard" wrote in message
...
JVC DRM30 DVD Recorder with 160Gb Hard Drive,

Any good at £441.72p or easypay x 2 £220.86p? (Certainly makes look
Sky+
decidely tiny)

Nice editting function to remove commercial breaks on the hard drive
before copying to DVD-R/RW or RAM
Sadly,They did'nt cover properly whether it copies from HD at normal
speed
or the faster speeds.

Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby
digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the
internet
anywhere.


Is this the same?
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-a.../200543/prices

Unsurprisingly selling for nearly 100 pounds less than QVC.

I was impressed by the front firewire connection.

Wish I`d saved the page now....

Surely not too hard to find again Clive? You left the link to pricerunner
there in the posting.

Mark A wrote:

It's neither specifically American, nor poor
quality. It's used, for example, as the standard by which all DVDs are
stored internally on the disc.

My eye.


Almost any and all European equipment I've ever encountered that has
S-Video also has RGB.

Including those camcorders you mentioned?

S-Video is out-dated US rubbish.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

"Jomtien" wrote in message
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Mark A wrote:
Almost any and all European equipment I've ever encountered that has
S-Video also has RGB.

Including those camcorders you mentioned?

Not sure what your point is here.
If you were defending RGB over s-video then camcorders only have s-video

S-Video is out-dated US rubbish.

Actually I guess it is Japanese rubbish, as they are responsible for it.

And still fitted as standard on every domestic camcorder world wide

Loz

"Mark A" wrote in message
...
Hellraiser wrote:

I was under the impression DVDs were stored in digital format, Svideo
is an analogue medium.

Yeah, you're right, it's stored in YUV, not Y/C (S-Vid), my brain fart,
sorry. Still doesn't change the fact that S-Video in not a 'poor' form
of connection.

I don't disagree - by separating chroma and luminance signals you don't get
the horrible interference you get on a composite feed, it's just RGB is
technically better :)

Hellraiser..........

S-Video is out-dated US rubbish.

Actually I guess it is Japanese rubbish, as they are responsible for it.

And still fitted as standard on every domestic camcorder world wide

No it's not, I have a Panasonic VHS-C which only has composite output.

Hellraiser.........

"Hellraiser" wrote in message
...
S-Video is out-dated US rubbish.
And still fitted as standard on every domestic camcorder world wide
No it's not, I have a Panasonic VHS-C which only has composite output.

OK, every domestic hi-band camcorder world wide....

Loz

Hellraiser wrote:

I don't disagree - by separating chroma and luminance signals you
don't get the horrible interference you get on a composite feed, it's
just RGB is technically better :)

Of course it is. It's just that S-Vid is not 'poor', as a certain other
person keeps spouting. The gap between it and RGB is much, much smaller
than the gap between it and composite, so it's very much leaning to the
good to excellent side.

Regards

Mark

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:04:40 GMT, "The Wizard"
wrote:


Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby
digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the
internet
anywhere.


Is this the same?
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-a.../200543/prices

Unsurprisingly selling for nearly 100 pounds less than QVC.

I was impressed by the front firewire connection.

Wish I`d saved the page now....

Surely not too hard to find again Clive? You left the link to pricerunner
there in the posting.

I`mean`t the QVC page.... :-)

I wanted to compare the piccys....


Bye for now.

Clive.

"Clive Savage" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:04:40 GMT, "The Wizard"
wrote:


Just looking at a close-up after rewinding Sky+ and it says Dolby
digital
on the front panal,(Could be actual DVD movie output though?)

Just done a quick search on the net but can't even find it on the
internet
anywhere.


Is this the same?
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-a.../200543/prices

Unsurprisingly selling for nearly 100 pounds less than QVC.

I was impressed by the front firewire connection.

Wish I`d saved the page now....

Surely not too hard to find again Clive? You left the link to pricerunner
there in the posting.

I`mean`t the QVC page.... :-)

I wanted to compare the piccys....

Oh Sorry Clive, www.qvcuk.com and it will be no doubt under the electrical
section now rather than the front page as it was when it were the TSV that
day.

loz wrote:

Almost any and all European equipment I've ever encountered that has
S-Video also has RGB.

Including those camcorders you mentioned?

Not sure what your point is here.
If you were defending RGB over s-video then camcorders only have s-video

He said both that all equipment with S-Video has RGB and that
camcorders mostly only have S-Video. I pointed out the inconsistency.


S-Video is out-dated US rubbish.

Actually I guess it is Japanese rubbish, as they are responsible for it.

The US was Japan's biggest market for years and they act accordingly.
Whether the US followed Japan or Japan followed the US is neither here
nor there. The technology used is the same in both countries.


And still fitted as standard on every domestic camcorder world wide

That doesn't make it any good: it just makes it compatible with US AV
equipment, which is why they do it.

Look at most AV amps. They have S-Video connections but only rarely
component RCA and never RGB or scart, in spite of RGB scart being the
European standard for AV. Look at the first generation of DVDR
machines also, many of which lacked RGB inputs/outputs.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:38:55 GMT, "The Wizard"
wrote:

Wish I`d saved the page now....

Surely not too hard to find again Clive? You left the link to pricerunner
there in the posting.

I`mean`t the QVC page.... :-)

I wanted to compare the piccys....

Oh Sorry Clive, www.qvcuk.com and it will be no doubt under the electrical
section now rather than the front page as it was when it were the TSV that
day.

It was a sell out, so longer there.

Bye for now.

Clive.

On 17 Mar 2005 16:39:55 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

Look at most AV amps. They have S-Video connections but only rarely
component RCA and never RGB or scart, in spite of RGB scart being the
European standard for AV. Look at the first generation of DVDR
machines also, many of which lacked RGB inputs/outputs.

The Merkins seem to have discovered RGB of late in the form of component & it
can be found on all their (& our) Japanese sourced AV amps now.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Nigel Barker wrote:

Look at most AV amps. They have S-Video connections but only rarely
component RCA and never RGB or scart, in spite of RGB scart being the
European standard for AV. Look at the first generation of DVDR
machines also, many of which lacked RGB inputs/outputs.

The Merkins seem to have discovered RGB of late in the form of component & it
can be found on all their (& our) Japanese sourced AV amps now.

All? Not all.

And component RCA isn't RGB scart by a long way.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)