removing the "press red for some crap" graffiti
 

"wowfabgroovy" wrote in message
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i know you can press back up to remove it temporarily, but it always
comes back again. can it be removed permanently? thomson box.


You can buy a device that send the "red crap button off" message every few
seconds.

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"wowfabgroovy" wrote in message
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i know you can press back up to remove it temporarily, but it always
comes back again. can it be removed permanently? thomson box.


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As Tumbleweed rightly says you can buy devices that send a remote signal to
the digibox that imitates the press red/back-up button.
The problem is of course,The viewer should NOT have to purchase *optional
extras* to remove TV on-screen graffiti :-(

At the moment I guess it's just *excitement at new technology* and improving
it for the TV companies...It's a pity they don't improve it to the extent
that the viewer can have the otion to turn it off.
Since Sky,I've noticed TV has got more and more *in yer face* advertising
than ever before,Split screen on programme endings and voice-over pillocks
have more or less removed getting a decent recording from TV anymore.

People must use it though otherwise the companies would have thought it all
a flop and ditched it long ago!
As kids go off toys,I'm getting to the state of going off TV because of the
graffiti and voice-overs...No wonder Cloning DVD's is more the *in thing*
with loads of PC users?

In article , Tumbleweed
wrote:

"wowfabgroovy" wrote in message
...
i know you can press back up to remove it temporarily, but it always
comes back again. can it be removed permanently? thomson box.


You can buy a device that send the "red crap button off" message every few
seconds.

See:
http://www.metroland.nildram.co.uk/skyeye/
and
http://freespace.virgin.net/itv.regions/

Note that if you have set up an auto-view this device will scupper it
because it sends a 'backup' signal at frequent intervals which will
cancel an impending auto-view.

On 13-Feb-2005, "The Wizard" wrote:

The problem is of course,The viewer should NOT have to purchase *optional
extras* to remove TV on-screen graffiti :-(

Make your feelings known at http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/ or
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y1562177A and select feedback.

Paul.

In article , Paul Anderson
wrote:

On 13-Feb-2005, "The Wizard" wrote:

The problem is of course,The viewer should NOT have to purchase *optional
extras* to remove TV on-screen graffiti :-(

Make your feelings known at http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/ or
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y1562177A and select feedback.

The BBC are the least of the culprits. Since I got my plasma, I'm
watching less and less of my favourite Sky Sports channels.
Pre-interactive, I used to leave Sky Sports News on ad nauseam but if
they are going to treat us like children I'll watch a channel which
doesn't. It's not as if interactive works properly anyway - I won't
ever be tempted to use it until it works instantaneously.

Stan

"Roger Wilmut" wrote in message
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In article , Tumbleweed
wrote:

"wowfabgroovy" wrote in message
...
i know you can press back up to remove it temporarily, but it always
comes back again. can it be removed permanently? thomson box.


You can buy a device that send the "red crap button off" message every
few
seconds.

See:
http://freespace.virgin.net/itv.regions/

That link doesn't work.

wowfabgroovy wrote:
i know you can press back up to remove it temporarily, but it always
comes back again. can it be removed permanently? thomson box.

The News Tickers on Sky News are a pain too. Press 7, Press Left, Press
Select and it goes away - for a couple of minutes. Argghh!

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In article , Tumbleweed
wrote:

"wowfabgroovy" wrote in message
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i know you can press back up to remove it temporarily, but it always
comes back again. can it be removed permanently? thomson box.


You can buy a device that send the "red crap button off" message every
few
seconds.

See:
http://freespace.virgin.net/itv.regions/

That link doesn't work.


Try http://www.skyeye.force9.co.uk/skyeye.htm instead

This is a great device for basic Sky, (I have one) but no good for Sky+ ,
because it sends 'backup'. Thus every time you want to play something back
that you've recorded it stops the playback. I have had to retire mine and
keep removing the red plague myself. I try to avoid channels that don't
remove the red detritus on their own - the UKTV channels are good here in
that they only put the crap up for a minute or so either side of a
commercial break.

Mike


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"Carl Carlson" wrote in message
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In article , Tumbleweed
wrote:

"wowfabgroovy" wrote in message
...
i know you can press back up to remove it temporarily, but it always
comes back again. can it be removed permanently? thomson box.


You can buy a device that send the "red crap button off" message
every
few
seconds.

See:
http://freespace.virgin.net/itv.regions/

That link doesn't work.


Try http://www.skyeye.force9.co.uk/skyeye.htm instead

In article , Mike Henry
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In , wowfabgroovy
wrote:

but it would still be on for up to a minute between signals.

Er, no! Think about that for a moment. If you pressed "backup" and the
dot came back that quickly, these devices wouldn't be designed to send
it once a minute as that would be ineffectual. They'd be sending
"backup" once every few seconds.

In practice the dots either come back after the next ad break (4 times
per hour on Sky), or they are the "aggressive" type used last year on
Big Brother that come back every few minutes.

Sending backup once per minute is a compromise between interfering with
remote control use/channel changing, and seeing the dot for an average
of 30 seconds at a time.

My sig contains a link to a script which TiVo owners can run (providing
you have a bash prompt and know what you are doing). It is a variant of
the same principle and uses TiVo's IR sending hardware to send backup at
precisely 30 seconds past each minute, so as not to interfere with the
normal scheduled channel changes which occur at around :55 (depending on
fast/medium/slow user settings on the TiVo).

what i
need is a way of removing it forever. there's a back up button on the
box itself, if i tape it down so that it's always pressed in, will
this do it, or does it need to be repeatedly pressed?

In that case what you ask is impossible unless you can persuade Sky to
alter the EPG software to provide an "off" setting. Sky are vehemently
against this, and Ofcom refuse to intervene. You will always see the dot
for a few seconds at least.

Having said that, I only ever see it on C4 and BBC3 these days. Can't
remember when I last saw one on Sky One.

It's present on Dream Team, unfortunately. Not at right at the start
though, which caught me out, I checked the start to make sure there was
no red dot, there wasn't, on watching the recording, however, it
appeared after the first break. Not just a red dot either, but "Be on
Dream Team" red letters on a white background IIRC :-(
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"Mike Ball" wrote in message
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This is a great device for basic Sky, (I have one) but no good for Sky+ ,
because it sends 'backup'. Thus every time you want to play something
back that you've recorded it stops the playback. I have had to retire
mine and keep removing the red plague myself. I try to avoid channels
that don't remove the red detritus on their own - the UKTV channels are
good here in that they only put the crap up for a minute or so either side
of a commercial break.

Mike


If you watch everything delayed the red dot goes and doesnt come back after
ad breaks and the like.
Just press pause for a second, then play. Apolgies if this is stating "the
bleedin' obvious"

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In practice the dots either come back after the next ad break (4 times
per hour on Sky), or they are the "aggressive" type used last year on
Big Brother that come back every few minutes.

Sky Sports News is the worst offender. They have customised and
quadrupled the size of the dot and it comes back 10 seconds after
pressing backup.

Stan

Mike Henry wrote:
In , wowfabgroovy
wrote:



The most firm reaction from Sky was in their meeting with LogofreeTV,
who proposed a "time-out" setting in the digibox's menus.
http://forum.logofreetv.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=556
Regarding the RED DOT time-out, Sky are very resistant to this
control.

The best policy would probably be to actively NOT use any service or company
that in any way associates with Red Dots. Like boycotting advertisers that
use popups. Commercial companies will only listen to commercial imperatives.

Won't affect Sky directly becuase you have to have their services for sports
etc, and the BBC is far too high & mighty to care but five limited their
dogs after listening to complaints.