HomeCinemaBanter

HomeCinemaBanter (http://www.homecinemabanter.com/index.php)
-   Tivo personal television (http://www.homecinemabanter.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9)
-   -   FIGHT eBay's HORRIBLE Price Increases - Meg MUST RESIGN! (http://www.homecinemabanter.com/showthread.php?t=29034)

Paul McCahan January 14th 05 12:36 AM

FIGHT eBay's HORRIBLE Price Increases - Meg MUST RESIGN!
 
If you haven't heard, eBay is increasing prices from 40% to 400%

It no longer makes sense to use eBay to buy or sell items...

This is SAD since it's a system many people enjoy using...

This SCAM by Meg and the EVIL management MUST BE STOPPED.

Here's the problem (Story broke on Jan 12th)

http://www.nolistingday.com/

Sign he

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe....cgi?ebayfee&1

Thanks, and do not list, buy or sell on Feb 18th.

Jack Zwick January 14th 05 02:23 PM

In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article ,
Paul McCahan wrote:

If you haven't heard, eBay is increasing prices from 40% to 400%

We've heard. BFD.

It no longer makes sense to use eBay to buy or sell items...


Yes it does.


This is SAD since it's a system many people enjoy using...

This SCAM by Meg and the EVIL management MUST BE STOPPED.


No it's not.

Thanks, and do not list, buy or sell on Feb 18th.


Sellers will just raise their prices to cover the expenses - as sellers
have been doing since the dawn on commerce.

I'll buy and sell as I please, ThankYouVeryMuch.

Mike


How do eBay's new prices compare to Yahoo Auctions?

Nasht0n January 14th 05 03:51 PM

Mike wrote:
In article ,
Paul McCahan wrote:


If you haven't heard, eBay is increasing prices from 40% to 400%


We've heard. BFD.


It no longer makes sense to use eBay to buy or sell items...



Yes it does.


This is SAD since it's a system many people enjoy using...

This SCAM by Meg and the EVIL management MUST BE STOPPED.



No it's not.


Thanks, and do not list, buy or sell on Feb 18th.



Sellers will just raise their prices to cover the expenses - as sellers
have been doing since the dawn on commerce.

I'll buy and sell as I please, ThankYouVeryMuch.

Mike


You have to admit that this is quite a hike in price. In my business, if
I hiked prices by this margin, I would have to close my doors.

This will kill buying and selling low cost stuff since it won't be worth
selling it on eBay anymore, IMHO.
I've bought and sold many things on eBay, btw.

Nicolas

RS January 14th 05 05:10 PM

Meh, I find Ebay rather pointless for most stuff anyway. People bid stuff up
to at least discount retail and then pay double the shipping costs. Unless
its last years stuff, there are few deals to be found on ebay.


"Paul McCahan" wrote in message
...
If you haven't heard, eBay is increasing prices from 40% to 400%

It no longer makes sense to use eBay to buy or sell items...

This is SAD since it's a system many people enjoy using...

This SCAM by Meg and the EVIL management MUST BE STOPPED.

Here's the problem (Story broke on Jan 12th)

http://www.nolistingday.com/

Sign he

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe....cgi?ebayfee&1

Thanks, and do not list, buy or sell on Feb 18th.




[email protected] January 14th 05 07:42 PM

In rec.video.desktop Nasht0n wrote:
: This will kill buying and selling low cost stuff since it won't be worth
: selling it on eBay anymore, IMHO.

Well, frankly, if it helps return eBay to its original role as
an AUCTION site, that would be good. The gazillions of duplicate
listings with buy-it-now trash has made it more and more difficult
to search for normal auctions.

Scott


TravelinMan January 14th 05 09:33 PM

In article ,
wrote:

In rec.video.desktop Nasht0n wrote:
: This will kill buying and selling low cost stuff since it won't be worth
: selling it on eBay anymore, IMHO.

Well, frankly, if it helps return eBay to its original role as
an AUCTION site, that would be good. The gazillions of duplicate
listings with buy-it-now trash has made it more and more difficult
to search for normal auctions.


Easy. Just click on the 'auction' tab to eliminate BIY if you don't like
it.

Edwin January 14th 05 09:39 PM


"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jack Zwick wrote:

How do eBay's new prices compare to Yahoo Auctions?


I have no idea. I've never used Yahoo auctions. Hell, I've never
even heard of Yahoo Auctions until just now.


Do you Yahoo?



Paul McCahan January 14th 05 10:05 PM

Jack Zwick wrote:

How do eBay's new prices compare to Yahoo Auctions?


Yahoo won't matter, it's probably cheaper, and soon MUCH cheaper,
problem is, if you don't have a market ----- your stuff won't sell.

eBay has you LOCKED in. When you add PayPal into the mix, they make it
near impossible to sell on the other Auction sites. That's the PROBLEM.

Join the PROTEST:

http://www.nolistingday.com

Sign the Petition!

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...ed.cgi?ebayfee

Paul McCahan January 14th 05 10:52 PM

You might try: ePier

Why jump in the Bay when you can buy items on the Pier.

http://www.epier.com/

http://www.bidville.com/

Craig's list is another idea - but eBay recently bought 25% of them, so
they may go under in the same way.

Big websites that don't concentrate on just Auctions aren't going to
work. Overstock is trying to do it too, but you need conentration from
the buyer and that's not going to happen on those sites.

Use snipping if you don't like bidding at the last minute, it will do it
for you.

http://www.snipeswipe.com/

Paul McCahan January 15th 05 05:20 AM

Mike wrote:

But it's not a PROBLEM! Again, sellers will just raise their prices to
cover these small increases. No one cares.

Mike


Wrong Mike. Sounds as if you know little about economics.

An item that sells at auction for $10, like a set of 4 Lithium Batteries.

Will still sell after February 18th for $10.

PROBLEM is, the cost to sell those SAME Batteries has been raised by
about .62¢!!! Not a nickel or a dime, but a LOT OF FREAKING Money.

The buyer doesn't pay this fee, the SELLER DOES... you can't just raise
your price... since PRICE is determined by the Market in and OUT of eBay.

In other words, it will make it less viable to sell your stuff on eBay,
thus less choice for buyers... This is a SERIOUS issues for the main
reason that eBay is just a website... they don't have any real cost
outside of maintaining a very complex server. They are spending money on
expensive TV commercials, buying up Rent.com, Craig's List, without our
approval, thus driving up OUR fees.

If you sold on eBay you'd be raging mad, if you buy on ebay, it won't
become clear that the show is going to get very quiet after Feb 18th.

Lot's of people are leaving.

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm

ebay needs to solve this problem before it's too late.

Invid Fan January 15th 05 09:55 AM

In article , Paul McCahan
wrote:

Mike wrote:

But it's not a PROBLEM! Again, sellers will just raise their prices to
cover these small increases. No one cares.

Mike


Wrong Mike. Sounds as if you know little about economics.

An item that sells at auction for $10, like a set of 4 Lithium Batteries.

Will still sell after February 18th for $10.

PROBLEM is, the cost to sell those SAME Batteries has been raised by
about .62¢!!! Not a nickel or a dime, but a LOT OF FREAKING Money.

The buyer doesn't pay this fee, the SELLER DOES... you can't just raise
your price... since PRICE is determined by the Market in and OUT of eBay.

In other words, it will make it less viable to sell your stuff on eBay,
thus less choice for buyers... This is a SERIOUS issues for the main
reason that eBay is just a website... they don't have any real cost
outside of maintaining a very complex server. They are spending money on
expensive TV commercials, buying up Rent.com, Craig's List, without our
approval, thus driving up OUR fees.

If you sold on eBay you'd be raging mad, if you buy on ebay, it won't
become clear that the show is going to get very quiet after Feb 18th.

Lot's of people are leaving.

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm

ebay needs to solve this problem before it's too late.


From what I've seen on Ebay, this is probably a reaction to sellers
listing products at a rediculously low price and making all the profit
from the shipping cost. Not unusual to see a buy now price of $1 and
$10 in shipping fees, of which Ebay gets nothing.

--
Chris Mack "Refugee, total ****. That's how I've always seen us.
'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS

TravelinMan January 15th 05 04:37 PM

In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article ,
Paul McCahan wrote:

Mike wrote:

But it's not a PROBLEM! Again, sellers will just raise their prices to
cover these small increases. No one cares.

Mike


Wrong Mike. Sounds as if you know little about economics.

An item that sells at auction for $10, like a set of 4 Lithium Batteries.

Will still sell after February 18th for $10.

PROBLEM is, the cost to sell those SAME Batteries has been raised by
about .62¢!!! Not a nickel or a dime, but a LOT OF FREAKING Money.

The buyer doesn't pay this fee, the SELLER DOES... you can't just raise
your price... since PRICE is determined by the Market in and OUT of eBay.


No, the seller will just raise the price to $11. What part of this do
you not understand?


The part you apparently don't understand is that the price is set by the
market - not by the seller alone.

Jeff Rife January 15th 05 07:17 PM

Paul McCahan ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Lot's of people are leaving.

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm


As of today, eBay has 129,000 different stores listed, and that page shows 29
as "leaving". That's 0.022% of the total...not very significant.

--
Jeff Rife | "I once did a news report on the dangers of
| plastic surgery, and do you know what the
| statistics say?"
| "Yes...that 9 out of 10 men prefer women
| with big boobs."
| "And the 10th guy preferred the 9 other men."
| -- "Just Shoot Me"

Jeff Rife January 15th 05 07:20 PM

Invid Fan ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
From what I've seen on Ebay, this is probably a reaction to sellers
listing products at a rediculously low price and making all the profit
from the shipping cost. Not unusual to see a buy now price of $1 and
$10 in shipping fees, of which Ebay gets nothing.


The new fee structure would make that happen even more often, not less.
Any time the eBay fees go up, sellers will raise their shipping costs to
compensate. It's the one place you can guarantee a fixed payment (assuming
your item sells at all).

--
Jeff Rife |
| http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/Dilbert/Understaffed.gif

TravelinMan January 15th 05 07:56 PM

In article ,
Jeff Rife wrote:

Paul McCahan ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Lot's of people are leaving.

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm


As of today, eBay has 129,000 different stores listed, and that page shows 29
as "leaving". That's 0.022% of the total...not very significant.


Depends on what percentage of the leaving stores actually found and
signed the petition.

But, no, it's not likely to put eBay out of business. It will more
likely impact people like me - who occasionally sell a few items rather
than send them to Goodwill. If eBay's keeping 22% of the selling price,
why should I go through the hassle of selling?

Paul McCahan January 15th 05 08:55 PM

Jeff Rife wrote:

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm


As of today, eBay has 129,000 different stores listed, and that page shows 29
as "leaving". That's 0.022% of the total...not very significant.


yes, but that's an upstart website, alive for only a few days - the real
numbers are he

Posted by webnet ( 8990 ) on Jan-12-05 at 19:40:27 PST Auctions AMAZING.
NOW since the last post at 19:26 stores 132,050 now its only 131,975 a
loss of 75 stores closed in the last 20 minutes. I will check again in
the morning to see how bad ebay has damaged themselves. AMAZING...
sellers SPEAK OUT.

I checked the number of stores earlier and found 5,180 pages of them
(@ 25 stores per page), hence the current count at 'about' 129,500.

To check the number do an advanced search, click on stores, search
with 'no' keyword entries, then click on list alphabetically ...... on
the results page scroll to the bottom and check the number of pages.
Multiply by 25.

Blade January 16th 05 12:52 AM

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:10:28 -0600, "RS"
wrote:

Meh, I find Ebay rather pointless for most stuff anyway. People bid stuff up
to at least discount retail and then pay double the shipping costs. Unless
its last years stuff, there are few deals to be found on ebay.

\
Agreed. There are not many deals on eGay. It amazes me how many
people pay either close to or above retail and then get screwed with
inflated shipping costs. Bunch of morons!



Tim Smith January 16th 05 12:56 AM

In article , Mike wrote:
Right, and the cost of bringing the goods to the market just went up.
Everyone else selling the same goods will also raise their prices. Their
only other option is to absorb the loss. Do you *really* think many are
going to do that?

The part that you don't seem to understand is that the seller will raise
his price to cover his costs.

I can't believe you don't understand this. When costs go up, sellers
raise prices. It has always been thus.

There is more to the "market price" than the cost of the goods alone.
There are other expenses and factors to consider. This is a prime
example.


That's fine for "buy it now" prices, but I believe most people are talking
about auctions.

--
--Tim Smith

Timberwoof January 16th 05 02:00 AM

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:

In article ,
Jeff Rife wrote:

Paul McCahan ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Lot's of people are leaving.

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm


As of today, eBay has 129,000 different stores listed, and that page shows
29
as "leaving". That's 0.022% of the total...not very significant.


Depends on what percentage of the leaving stores actually found and
signed the petition.

But, no, it's not likely to put eBay out of business. It will more
likely impact people like me - who occasionally sell a few items rather
than send them to Goodwill. If eBay's keeping 22% of the selling price,
why should I go through the hassle of selling?


Where did you get 22%?

--
Timberwoof me at timberwoof dot com http://www.timberwoof.com
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/200/

Tim Adams January 16th 05 02:23 AM

In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:

No, the seller will just raise the price to $11. What part of this do
you not understand?


The part you apparently don't understand is that the price is set by the
market - not by the seller alone.


Right, and the cost of bringing the goods to the market just went up.
Everyone else selling the same goods will also raise their prices.
Their only other option is to absorb the loss. Do you *really* think
many are going to do that?


You apparently think ebay is the only place people can buy stuff.


The part that you don't seem to understand is that the seller will raise
his price to cover his costs.


But if his prices are already as close to what somebody can buy the item
for elsewhere, and he raises it - he looses the sales.


I can't believe you don't understand this. When costs go up, sellers
raise prices. It has always been thus.


I can't believe that you think raising cost is such a 'cure all'.
especially when, as I mentioned above, ebay isn't the only place to buy
stuff.


There is more to the "market price" than the cost of the goods alone.
There are other expenses and factors to consider. This is a prime
example.

Mike


--
Tim

TravelinMan January 16th 05 02:38 AM

In article ,
Paul McCahan wrote:

Jeff Rife wrote:

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm


As of today, eBay has 129,000 different stores listed, and that page shows
29
as "leaving". That's 0.022% of the total...not very significant.


yes, but that's an upstart website, alive for only a few days - the real
numbers are he

Posted by webnet ( 8990 ) on Jan-12-05 at 19:40:27 PST Auctions AMAZING.
NOW since the last post at 19:26 stores 132,050 now its only 131,975 a
loss of 75 stores closed in the last 20 minutes. I will check again in
the morning to see how bad ebay has damaged themselves. AMAZING...
sellers SPEAK OUT.

I checked the number of stores earlier and found 5,180 pages of them
(@ 25 stores per page), hence the current count at 'about' 129,500.

To check the number do an advanced search, click on stores, search
with 'no' keyword entries, then click on list alphabetically ...... on
the results page scroll to the bottom and check the number of pages.
Multiply by 25.


Not to defend eBay, but I don't think your interpretation makes sense.

The price increase doesn't take effect until February. Why would the
stores shut down now? Why not continue selling until the change occurs?
And if they currently have auctions running, it would be even more
foolish to shut down - at least until the auctions finish.

TravelinMan January 16th 05 02:39 AM

In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:

No, the seller will just raise the price to $11. What part of this do
you not understand?


The part you apparently don't understand is that the price is set by the
market - not by the seller alone.


Right, and the cost of bringing the goods to the market just went up.
Everyone else selling the same goods will also raise their prices.
Their only other option is to absorb the loss. Do you *really* think
many are going to do that?


That makes sense - IF eBay is the only route to market.

Hint: it isn't. And the other routes to market haven't had this amount
of a price increase.


The part that you don't seem to understand is that the seller will raise
his price to cover his costs.

I can't believe you don't understand this. When costs go up, sellers
raise prices. It has always been thus.


Of course, only eBay sellers have had this increase. Other routes to
market have not.


There is more to the "market price" than the cost of the goods alone.
There are other expenses and factors to consider. This is a prime
example.


There are also competitive routes to market. eBay sellers have just been
placed at a _relative_ disadvantage (compared to where they were before).

Timberwoof January 16th 05 04:48 AM

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:

In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:

No, the seller will just raise the price to $11. What part of this do
you not understand?

The part you apparently don't understand is that the price is set by the
market - not by the seller alone.


Right, and the cost of bringing the goods to the market just went up.
Everyone else selling the same goods will also raise their prices.
Their only other option is to absorb the loss. Do you *really* think
many are going to do that?


That makes sense - IF eBay is the only route to market.

Hint: it isn't. And the other routes to market haven't had this amount
of a price increase.


The part that you don't seem to understand is that the seller will raise
his price to cover his costs.

I can't believe you don't understand this. When costs go up, sellers
raise prices. It has always been thus.


Of course, only eBay sellers have had this increase. Other routes to
market have not.


There is more to the "market price" than the cost of the goods alone.
There are other expenses and factors to consider. This is a prime
example.


There are also competitive routes to market. eBay sellers have just been
placed at a _relative_ disadvantage (compared to where they were before).


What other online auction sites are there? I know of two. They're not nearly the
size of eBay. I suppose someone could make the case that eBay is engaging in
monopolistic practices.

--
Timberwoof me at timberwoof dot com http://www.timberwoof.com
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/200/

TravelinMan January 16th 05 04:56 AM

In article ,
Timberwoof wrote:

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:

In article ,
Mike wrote:

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:

No, the seller will just raise the price to $11. What part of this
do
you not understand?

The part you apparently don't understand is that the price is set by
the
market - not by the seller alone.

Right, and the cost of bringing the goods to the market just went up.
Everyone else selling the same goods will also raise their prices.
Their only other option is to absorb the loss. Do you *really* think
many are going to do that?


That makes sense - IF eBay is the only route to market.

Hint: it isn't. And the other routes to market haven't had this amount
of a price increase.


The part that you don't seem to understand is that the seller will raise
his price to cover his costs.

I can't believe you don't understand this. When costs go up, sellers
raise prices. It has always been thus.


Of course, only eBay sellers have had this increase. Other routes to
market have not.


There is more to the "market price" than the cost of the goods alone.
There are other expenses and factors to consider. This is a prime
example.


There are also competitive routes to market. eBay sellers have just been
placed at a _relative_ disadvantage (compared to where they were before).


What other online auction sites are there? I know of two. They're not nearly
the
size of eBay. I suppose someone could make the case that eBay is engaging in
monopolistic practices.


Possibly, but difficult.

eBay sellers have to compete with Walmart, the Dollar Store, Amazon, and
the entire rest of the economy. That's why a price increase hits them
hard. As it is, I buy something on eBay if it's less expensive than
other sources. Usually it is, but only by a little. If the seller tries
to increase the price by enough to make up for eBay's increased fees, it
will probably make their products more expensive than the alternatives -
or at least not enough savings to make up for the hassle.

jason b January 16th 05 05:42 AM

Paul McCahan wrote:

Jack Zwick wrote:



How do eBay's new prices compare to Yahoo Auctions?



Yahoo won't matter, it's probably cheaper, and soon MUCH cheaper,
problem is, if you don't have a market ----- your stuff won't sell.

eBay has you LOCKED in. When you add PayPal into the mix, they make it
near impossible to sell on the other Auction sites. That's the PROBLEM.

Join the PROTEST:

http://www.nolistingday.com

Sign the Petition!

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...ed.cgi?ebayfee



You're an idiot, take your petition somwhere else,



jason


--
((¯`'·.¸(¯`'·.((¯`'·.¸ * jason bean* ¸.·'´¯))¸.·'´¯)¸.·'´¯))

For me , said Sherlock Holmes, "there still remains the cocaine bottle,"
and he reached his hand up for it.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~jabean
http://musicpage.kicks-ass.org/



Rob Munach January 17th 05 12:08 PM

RS wrote:

Meh, I find Ebay rather pointless for most stuff anyway. People bid stuff up
to at least discount retail and then pay double the shipping costs. Unless
its last years stuff, there are few deals to be found on ebay.


For sure. However, I have gotten some pretty good deals at times as well.
--
Rob Munach, PE
Excel Engineering
PO Box 1264
Carrboro, NC 27510

Gregory L. Hansen January 17th 05 03:45 PM

In article ,
Paul McCahan wrote:
If you haven't heard, eBay is increasing prices from 40% to 400%

It no longer makes sense to use eBay to buy or sell items...

This is SAD since it's a system many people enjoy using...

This SCAM by Meg and the EVIL management MUST BE STOPPED.

Here's the problem (Story broke on Jan 12th)

http://www.nolistingday.com/

Sign he

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe....cgi?ebayfee&1

Thanks, and do not list, buy or sell on Feb 18th.


Vote with your dollars. If the prices get too high, don't buy stuff from
them.
--
"Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler."
-- Albert Einstein

TravelinMan January 17th 05 06:41 PM

In article ,
Chris Phillipo wrote:

In article teadams$2$0$0$3-D17A7F.20230415012005
@news1.east.earthlink.net, says...
Right, and the cost of bringing the goods to the market just went up.
Everyone else selling the same goods will also raise their prices.
Their only other option is to absorb the loss. Do you *really* think
many are going to do that?


You apparently think ebay is the only place people can buy stuff.


The part that you don't seem to understand is that the seller will raise
his price to cover his costs.


But if his prices are already as close to what somebody can buy the item
for elsewhere, and he raises it - he looses the sales.



No, that's not how it works. When someone has something used to sell
what's the first thing they do. Check how much it goes for on ebay and
set the price accordingly.


NO kidding?

So Walmart sets their prices by going to eBay to see what items are
selling for?

Wow. YOu learn something new every day.

TravelinMan January 17th 05 06:41 PM

In article ,
Chris Phillipo wrote:

In article ,
says...

Not to defend eBay, but I don't think your interpretation makes sense.

The price increase doesn't take effect until February. Why would the
stores shut down now? Why not continue selling until the change occurs?
And if they currently have auctions running, it would be even more
foolish to shut down - at least until the auctions finish.



Maybe that's why there are only 29 so far?


Could be. I was thinking of setting up an eBay store for a business I
know of, but might reconsider with the higher fees.

GMAN January 18th 05 12:10 AM

In article , Paul McCahan wrote:
Mike wrote:

But it's not a PROBLEM! Again, sellers will just raise their prices to
cover these small increases. No one cares.

Mike


Wrong Mike. Sounds as if you know little about economics.

An item that sells at auction for $10, like a set of 4 Lithium Batteries.

Will still sell after February 18th for $10.

PROBLEM is, the cost to sell those SAME Batteries has been raised by
about .62¢!!! Not a nickel or a dime, but a LOT OF FREAKING Money.

The buyer doesn't pay this fee, the SELLER DOES... you can't just raise
your price... since PRICE is determined by the Market in and OUT of eBay.

In other words, it will make it less viable to sell your stuff on eBay,
thus less choice for buyers... This is a SERIOUS issues for the main
reason that eBay is just a website... they don't have any real cost
outside of maintaining a very complex server. They are spending money on
expensive TV commercials, buying up Rent.com, Craig's List, without our
approval, thus driving up OUR fees.

If you sold on eBay you'd be raging mad, if you buy on ebay, it won't
become clear that the show is going to get very quiet after Feb 18th.

Lot's of people are leaving.

http://www.nolistingday.com/closing_stores.htm

ebay needs to solve this problem before it's too late.


The seller will just jack up his shipping price a buck. Do you honestly think
half the stuff that sells on Egay costs $15-$20 to ship yet most auctions
charge that much fro medium sized auction.

Problem solved.


MegaZone January 18th 05 03:23 AM

Paul McCahan shaped the electrons to say:
PROBLEM is, the cost to sell those SAME Batteries has been raised by
about .62¢!!! Not a nickel or a dime, but a LOT OF FREAKING Money.


Big ****ing Deal.

I've been buying and selling on eBay for many years. I don't give a
****.

The buyer doesn't pay this fee, the SELLER DOES... you can't just raise
your price... since PRICE is determined by the Market in and OUT of eBay.


So your profits go down. Tough ****. If you don't like it, find
some other way to do business. eBay does NOT owe ANYONE. They're a
business, they're not obligated to help you make your living on small
margins. If this is enough to put a serious dent in some sellers, I'm
not going to cry for them, they'll have to find other ways to make a
living. You know, like before eBay existed? Or they'll have to
adjust how they sell, or what they sell. That's life, suck it up.

In other words, it will make it less viable to sell your stuff on eBay,


So what?

thus less choice for buyers... This is a SERIOUS issues for the main
reason that eBay is just a website... they don't have any real cost
outside of maintaining a very complex server. They are spending money on
expensive TV commercials, buying up Rent.com, Craig's List, without our
approval, thus driving up OUR fees.


"without our approval"? Who the **** do you think you are, anyway?
They're a business. They're in business to *make money*. The only
approval they need is from their board of directors and the
shareholders - and the feds, of course. Users can take it or leave it
- period. That's how our system, capitalism, works - perhaps you've
heard of it. There are other auction sites if you really don't like
eBay. There are other ways to sell online too - Amazon zShops,
setting up your own site (osCommerce is an open source shoppign cart
package written in PHP which is solid and widely used), etc.

And it sounds like you don't have any clue what it costs to run a
major IT infrastructure. 'They don't have nay real cost outside of
maintain a very complex server.' Try hundreds of servers, and paying
for massive amounts of bandwidth, and 24 hour IT staff, and
programmers, and support, etc. I've worked for large companies that
ran large server installations (Lucent, GTE Internetworking) - the
costs are *massive*.

And those TV commercials are called *marketing*! What do you think
drives many of the buyers to the site in the first place? eBay was
once upon a time a marketplace used mostly by geeks who happened to be
online. The marketing they've done is what turned them into a
household name and drove up the number of buyers and sellers. Without
marketing they'd be like any one of a number of auction sites that
started around the same time - and died, or linger on pitifully.

If you sold on eBay you'd be raging mad, if you buy on ebay, it won't
become clear that the show is going to get very quiet after Feb 18th.


I sell on eBay - I couldn't care less about this. I buy on eBay - and
I doubt I'll notice any change, except maybe some whiny *******s will
have left.

And yes, I *am* being harsh. I'm sick of snivelling twits demanding
corporations bend over to make their lives easier, especially when
they do it in a way that sounds like they feel their *owed* something.

Like all the people who whine, bitch, and moan about how evil PayPal
is - but refuse to switch to any other payment system because PayPal
is so 'easy'. Those people need to shut the **** up - either put up
or shut up. If you've going to keep using PP, stop whining when they
freeze your account and keep your money. You asked for it.

ebay needs to solve this problem before it's too late.


I think eBay *is* solving their problem. Good riddance.

Maybe they'll all go start their own site - eBray.com.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
--
URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris



MegaZone January 18th 05 03:27 AM

shaped the electrons to say:
RS wrote:
Meh, I find Ebay rather pointless for most stuff anyway. People bid stuff up
to at least discount retail and then pay double the shipping costs. Unless
its last years stuff, there are few deals to be found on ebay.

For sure. However, I have gotten some pretty good deals at times as well.


I have found good deals there over the years. The trick is to NOT let
yourself get caught up in a bidding frenzy. If the price goes too high
- walk away.

I also unabashedly snipe. I don't care what people think. It is
pointless to toss in a bid early on and keep bidding it up. I'll wait
and jump in at the last minute, unless the price has already gone too
high. I've been called many nasty things - I still won. And I do it
manually to be fair, not using eSnipe, or tools like that.

When I sell things I have had people bid on my old VHS tapes, etc, and
drive the price up not only higher than retail - but higher than DVD
retail (which is generally why I sell VHS, because I bought the DVD),
before shipping. And I usually put the original MSRP right in the
listing, making it doubly dumb. :-)

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
--
URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

Tim Smith January 18th 05 04:47 AM

In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:
No, that's not how it works. When someone has something used to sell
what's the first thing they do. Check how much it goes for on ebay and
set the price accordingly.


NO kidding?

So Walmart sets their prices by going to eBay to see what items are
selling for?

Wow. YOu learn something new every day.


Yes, you do. Until your post, I was unaware that Walmart sold used goods.

--
--Tim Smith

Cam Penner January 18th 05 05:43 AM

In article NF%Gd.820$Ju1.601
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, [email protected]
potato.com says...
In article ,
TravelinMan wrote:
No, that's not how it works. When someone has something used to sell
what's the first thing they do. Check how much it goes for on ebay and
set the price accordingly.


NO kidding?

So Walmart sets their prices by going to eBay to see what items are
selling for?

Wow. YOu learn something new every day.


Yes, you do. Until your post, I was unaware that Walmart sold used goods.


Yeah, and I was unaware that e-bay sold new stuff. Go
figure.

--
Cam

ELVIS2000 January 18th 05 06:37 AM

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:55:51 -0500, Invid Fan
wrote:


From what I've seen on Ebay, this is probably a reaction to sellers
listing products at a rediculously low price and making all the profit
from the shipping cost. Not unusual to see a buy now price of $1 and
$10 in shipping fees, of which Ebay gets nothing.


But won't this practice get *worse* as sellers attempt to recoup fees
in inflated shipping costs? For all my listings I add a
"shipping/packaging/listing & paypal fee".

JW

Rob Munach January 20th 05 01:25 PM

MegaZone wrote:

shaped the electrons to say:

RS wrote:

Meh, I find Ebay rather pointless for most stuff anyway. People bid stuff up
to at least discount retail and then pay double the shipping costs. Unless
its last years stuff, there are few deals to be found on ebay.


For sure. However, I have gotten some pretty good deals at times as well.



I have found good deals there over the years. The trick is to NOT let
yourself get caught up in a bidding frenzy. If the price goes too high
- walk away.

I also unabashedly snipe. I don't care what people think. It is
pointless to toss in a bid early on and keep bidding it up. I'll wait
and jump in at the last minute, unless the price has already gone too
high. I've been called many nasty things - I still won. And I do it
manually to be fair, not using eSnipe, or tools like that.

When I sell things I have had people bid on my old VHS tapes, etc, and
drive the price up not only higher than retail - but higher than DVD
retail (which is generally why I sell VHS, because I bought the DVD),
before shipping. And I usually put the original MSRP right in the
listing, making it doubly dumb. :-)

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762

Yeah, it is pointless to even bid on an item until the last 30 seconds
or so. I do not understand that mentality. I wait to the end and then
manually bid the maximum I am willing to spend. If I win, great, if not
so be it.

--
Rob Munach, PE
Excel Engineering
PO Box 1264
Carrboro, NC 27510

ELVIS2000 January 29th 05 07:40 PM

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:53:29 GMT, Chris Phillipo
wrote:


I already see some sellers charging $30 for regular mail within the US
on 1 pound items so I don't know how much worse it could get :)
--


If you believe in basic economics, then the bid prices should be lower
as a result. Ebay, by taking a higher percentage, and sellers, by
therefore charging higher shipping, will drive prices down.

JW


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:24 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HomeCinemaBanter.com