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Hugh Candlin November 18th 04 12:35 AM


RichC wrote in message om...
"coyotepx" wrote in message ...

Also, I know that the remote is overkill but I don't plan on this system
being my final, until I die, system. Hence the remote that can learn as I
grow. I, also, hope that it will control my DVR from the cable company.


You should spend as much as possible on speakers. That's what mostly
determines the sound of the system. Don't buy speakers from a catalog
without auditioning them first. Speakers don't become obsolete like
other audio equipment.

Buy a $60 DVD player, a $200 receiver, a $20 remote, and spend
everything you can on speakers.


Agreed. Top notch advice.

You could also consider buying only the front 2 speakers initially,
which will get you started with a pair of better quality speakers.
Then add a subwoofer. Then surrounds. Then a center channel.
Or perhaps the surrounds, then the sub, then the center.
Do some research to find out what brands are considered high-quality,
but let your ears be the final judge. 40% of the people in this NG
may advise you to buy BrandX, but YOU may not like them.

You'll end up with the same system eventually, mark my word,
so save yourself the expense of the initial low-end system.

You can then look into getting a flagship receiver such as the
Denon 380x or 580x (x will change as the years go by),
which comes with a high-end remote which you may find appealing,
which would save you the initial $200 expenditure on a remote.



Gerry Wheeler November 18th 04 01:54 AM

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:35:35 +0000, Hugh Candlin wrote:
You could also consider buying only the front 2 speakers initially, which
will get you started with a pair of better quality speakers. Then add a
subwoofer. Then surrounds. Then a center channel. Or perhaps the
surrounds, then the sub, then the center.


How well does the current breed of receiver handle disconnected outputs?
Once upon a time, that would be disastrous for the output transistors. Can
you safely run a newer receiver with some speakers "missing"?
--
Gerry Wheeler
Naples, FL


Lucas Tam November 18th 04 01:56 AM

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in news:[email protected]
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You could also consider buying only the front 2 speakers initially,
which will get you started with a pair of better quality speakers.
Then add a subwoofer. Then surrounds. Then a center channel.


The center channel is EXTREMELY important when it comes to surround sound.
If possible, I would spend as much on the center as the main 2 speakers.
With 5.1 encoded material, I would say 80% of all sound comes out of the
center channel.

--
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Hugh Candlin November 18th 04 05:40 AM


Lucas Tam wrote in message .. .
"Hugh Candlin" wrote in news:[email protected]
news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

You could also consider buying only the front 2 speakers initially,
which will get you started with a pair of better quality speakers.
Then add a subwoofer. Then surrounds. Then a center channel.


The center channel is EXTREMELY important when it comes to surround sound.


That's what the phantom center mode is for, if you decide to acquire a system
in the manner that I suggested.

If possible, I would spend as much on the center as the main 2 speakers.


That is indeed one of the reasons that I gave the advice that I did.
If he can afford to buy 3 good speakers, then he probably should do so.
But, again, he may prefer the sound of the phantom mode.

With 5.1 encoded material, I would say 80% of all sound comes out of the
center channel.


I should probably have mentioned the phantom mode up front.
I was in no way trying to minimize the imporance of any of the speaker positions.
I was advocating a method of getting the best bang for the buck
without first having to buy an el cheapo system.

It is just one method of building a system.

I'm not claiming that it is the only way, or the best way.
Heck, I didn't even say he SHOULD do it. Only that he could CONSIDER it.



coyotepx November 18th 04 11:24 AM

Great advice from everyone as I'll consider all that I've read here. However, no one answered the question of getting a DVD player with DVD-A and SACD capabilities. Is it worth it for movie purposes only?

J
"coyotepx" wrote in message ...
I'm in the market for a new home theater system but nothing that will force me to rob banks to pay it off. Here's what I have chosen so far...let me have it.

Onkyo HT-S770 6.1 System $469.99
Onkyo DV-SP502 DVD Player $299.99
Sanus BF31B Black 31" Speaker Stands $59.99/pair
Harmony SST-688 Remote $199.99


I will watch more movies than I will listen to music. Is it worth $300 for a DVD player with DVD-A and SACD if I'm not going to listen to music on it? Or will it blow me away so much that it's the only way I'll listen to music ever again.

J


coyotepx November 18th 04 11:43 AM

Again, here's what I've now come up with. Once I get a house, I will invest big(ger) into my system. Until then, I'll start in this price/quality range.

Inifinity TSS-750 5.1 Speaker Set $630(http://www.crutchfield.com/S-76Yu7lt...750P&s=0&cc=01)
Sony STR-DE 597 Receiver $180 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-76Yu7lt...597B&s=0&cc=01)
Onkyo DVD Player $85 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-76Yu7lt...301S&s=0&cc=07)

"coyotepx" wrote in message ...
Great advice from everyone as I'll consider all that I've read here. However, no one answered the question of getting a DVD player with DVD-A and SACD capabilities. Is it worth it for movie purposes only?

J
"coyotepx" wrote in message ...
I'm in the market for a new home theater system but nothing that will force me to rob banks to pay it off. Here's what I have chosen so far...let me have it.

Onkyo HT-S770 6.1 System $469.99
Onkyo DV-SP502 DVD Player $299.99
Sanus BF31B Black 31" Speaker Stands $59.99/pair
Harmony SST-688 Remote $199.99


I will watch more movies than I will listen to music. Is it worth $300 for a DVD player with DVD-A and SACD if I'm not going to listen to music on it? Or will it blow me away so much that it's the only way I'll listen to music ever again.

J


David B. November 18th 04 04:47 PM

coyotepx wrote:
Again, here's what I've now come up with. Once I get a house, I will
invest big(ger) into my system. Until then, I'll start in this
price/quality range.

Inifinity TSS-750 5.1 Speaker Set
$630(http://www.crutchfield.com/S-76Yu7lt...750P&s=0&cc=01
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-76Yu7ltReRQ/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=108TSS750P&s=0&cc=01)


At the price point you're at, take a serious look at this holiday
special from AV123. This company has customer service that is easily
the equal of Crutchfield (i.e. ecelllent) and this combo make the
Crutchfield offering look like a toy. Here is a link to their website
but you won't find this offer listed. It is posted in their forum
section only.

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normanstrong November 18th 04 04:49 PM


"RichC" wrote in message
om...
"coyotepx" wrote in message

...

Also, I know that the remote is overkill but I don't plan on this

system
being my final, until I die, system. Hence the remote that can

learn as I
grow. I, also, hope that it will control my DVR from the cable

company.

You should spend as much as possible on speakers. That's what mostly
determines the sound of the system. Don't buy speakers from a

catalog
without auditioning them first. Speakers don't become obsolete like
other audio equipment.


You should spend as little as possible to get what you want, and that
goes for speakers as well as the rest. There is almost no relation
between speaker price and sound quality. There is a slight relation
between price and bass extension, but less than you might think.

Norm Strong



David B. November 18th 04 05:08 PM

normanstrong wrote:

"RichC" wrote in message
om...

"coyotepx" wrote in message


...

Also, I know that the remote is overkill but I don't plan on this


system

being my final, until I die, system. Hence the remote that can


learn as I

grow. I, also, hope that it will control my DVR from the cable


company.

You should spend as much as possible on speakers. That's what mostly
determines the sound of the system. Don't buy speakers from a


catalog

without auditioning them first. Speakers don't become obsolete like
other audio equipment.



You should spend as little as possible to get what you want, and that
goes for speakers as well as the rest. There is almost no relation
between speaker price and sound quality. There is a slight relation
between price and bass extension, but less than you might think.

Norm Strong


That wasn't his point. He may have worded it diffently so everyone
could better understand it. If he had said, "You should spend as much
as possible WITHIN YOUR BUDGET on speakers." Would that still garner
the same response?
I don't think it should be necessary to give a lecture on value every
time we post something. If someone hasn't got the sense to understand
that throwing money at a purchase as the only criteria is folly, then
there isn't much that we can do help them in the first place.

David






UnionPac2004 November 19th 04 12:18 AM

"coyotepx" wrote:



Great advice from everyone as I'll consider all that I've read here. =
However, no one answered the question of getting a DVD player with DVD-A =
and SACD capabilities. Is it worth it for movie purposes only?


If you TRULY plan on only using your DVD player for movie and redbook CD
playback, there is no point in getting a machine with DVD-A & SACD capability,
as far as I can see.

Jeff


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