Kennedy McEwen wrote:

It will not be enforced, it can not be and how on earth can you secure
a ladder at people houses?

Nails, screws, bolts...

But how many people will want screws, nuts and bolts put into their wall?

Kennedy McEwen wrote:


This is becoming a Nanny state, in fact it is already one


No disagreement there.

and the E.U is making it worse.


Certainly agree with that too.

Nothing to do with them.


Err... where have you been for the past 30 odd years?


Ok, it should not be anything to do with them.


It is up to our government to make laws, not some stupid tin pot
stuck in Brussels


Actually, your government relinquished the sovereign right to make laws
(except in specifically agreed domains, such as defence) to Brussels
some considerable time ago. Any laws which do not deal with those
specifically excluded areas which your government makes are subservient
to the laws made in Brussels.

If you don't like it, you know who to vote for at the next election, but
with megalomaniacal loonies like Kilroy-Silk on their side, the nutters
in Brussels don't seem quite so bad.

I know who to vote for, the way it is going the BNP

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:51:41 +0000, Ad C
wrote:

| ivan wrote:

| Remember that the overwhelming majority of window cleaners are
| self-employed, if they have to secure a ladder at every window they have to
| clean then the whole thing could well become totally impractical and will
| probably put them out of a job, I just can't see how it's going to be
| possible to enforce this kind of legislation.
|
| It will not be enforced, it can not be and how on earth can you secure a
| ladder at people houses?

A few ring bolts under the windows plus a couple of ropes and clips on the
ladder, would cost little, would be OK.
Note to self. Must do it.


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In article , Ad C
writes

It will not be enforced, it can not be and how on earth can you secure a
ladder at people houses?

Nails, screws, bolts...
But how do you put the bolts in place without going up the 'unsecured'
ladder?



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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:00:20 GMT, "Vic"
strung together this:

But how do you put the bolts in place without going up the 'unsecured'
ladder?

You hang yourself precariously out of the open window from a wonky
chair whilst in a sort of upside-down-ish position. It's much safer
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:00:21 +0000, Ad C wrote:

Jonathan Buzzard wrote:


Except it is something to do with me. Firstly an unsecured ladder that
falls down represents a hazard anyone who happens to be passing at that
moment. Secondly when the stupid idiot who goes up the ladder and then
injures themselves when it falls down, promptly gets whisked off to
hospital in an ambulance, and undergoes treatment all that the expense
of the NHS - i.e. taxpayers expense, and as a taxpayer partly at my
expense.


do you smoke or drink?
do you drive a car?

If you Smoke and drink then any problems you get because of it is paid
for by me a tax payer.

I don't smoke and I while I do drink alcohol I don't get "drunk".

If you drive a car, and have an accident and end up in hospital, that is
also paid for by me.

I would point out that it is routine for the NHS to recover costs due to
road traffic accidents from peoples insurance. I would further point out
that you don't have to drive any automotive vehicle to be involved in a
road traffic accident.


This is becoming a Nanny state, in fact it is already one and the E.U is
making it worse.
Nothing to do with them.
It is up to our government to make laws, not some stupid tin pot stuck
in Brussels, who no doubt have never been to this country.

And they are better because? That would be the government that the
majority of people in this country voted against.

Please explain why the government in power for my entire adult life has
not received a vote from myself (and I have voted in *every* election
which is quite a few now) is hundreds of miles away, often in a different
country is somehow inalienably better at make new laws than the E.U.?

for how long?

Well the government of England and Wales recently decided that it should
make fox hunting illegal. If you supported that then you have no right
whatsoever to complain about any other law that might intrude into your
private life. Allegedly the majority of people supported the fox hunting
band, so they support the right of the government to make things that have
no effect on others illegal.

JAB.

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Northumberland, United Kingdom. Tel: +44 1661-832195

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:51:41 +0000, Ad C wrote:

It will not be enforced, it can not be and how on earth can you secure a
ladder at people houses?

Depends what secure means. To me securing a ladder might just mean
something as simple as this at the base

http://www.ukladder.com/stopper.htm

Similar devices can be had for the top of a ladder as well.

JAB.

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Northumberland, United Kingdom. Tel: +44 1661-832195

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

| It will not be enforced, it can not be and how on earth can you secure a
| ladder at people houses?

A few ring bolts under the windows plus a couple of ropes and clips on the
ladder, would cost little, would be OK.
Note to self. Must do it.

If peson who owns the house gives permsiion for it to be done.
I can not see window cleaners really doing that.

Jonathan Buzzard wrote:


I don't smoke and I while I do drink alcohol I don't get "drunk".

You are still at risk even if you do not get drunk.
Before you ask, I do not smoke and I only drink alcohol now and again,
in fact the last drink I had was last year.



If you drive a car, and have an accident and end up in hospital, that is
also paid for by me.


I would point out that it is routine for the NHS to recover costs due to
road traffic accidents from peoples insurance. I would further point out

Only the intial cost, which isthe first time you are admitted to
hospital or seen.

that you don't have to drive any automotive vehicle to be involved in a
road traffic accident.


That is true, I grant you that.



And they are better because? That would be the government that the
majority of people in this country voted against.

Please explain why the government in power for my entire adult life has
not received a vote from myself (and I have voted in *every* election

That is democracy I am afraid.

which is quite a few now) is hundreds of miles away, often in a different
country is somehow inalienably better at make new laws than the E.U.?

Still on this Island and still British.
Our laws may not be better, but at least they are made in our own
country by our own government that can be voted out.


for how long?


Well the government of England and Wales recently decided that it should
make fox hunting illegal. If you supported that then you have no right
whatsoever to complain about any other law that might intrude into your
private life. Allegedly the majority of people supported the fox hunting
band, so they support the right of the government to make things that have
no effect on others illegal.


I agree with the law on Fox hunting, in fact it do not go far enough,
but do not give me crap about peoples right to fox hunt, what about the
foxes rights?

As for Fox hunting being made illegal in England and Wales, the Scottish
parlient also made it illegal in Scotland.

Intruding into peoples lifes to prevent harm to another person or
anaimals is one thing, but intruding into peoples lifes to protect them
is silly.

Jonathan Buzzard wrote:


Depends what secure means. To me securing a ladder might just mean
something as simple as this at the base

http://www.ukladder.com/stopper.htm

Similar devices can be had for the top of a ladder as well.

Which means more costs.
I know Aerial installers are well paid, they bloody charge enough
anyway, window cleaners are not so well paid.